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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 3, 2008, 7:29 am PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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For anyone out there that does not believe PAS is real, please take a visit to my little town in NC and read the court notes from the custody battle my husband has had to go through to see his children!! His ex, Pam, is a text book case along with her mother, Barbara. They have done everything they can to ruin my husband's relationship with his 2 children (a boy 14 and a girl 10).  They kept them from him right after the split, they told them many lies, they told the children their daddy didn't love them anymore and didn't want to see them, they told them that he didn't pay his child support (although he has NEVER missed a $1000/month child support pymt), they tell them now that he loves my children more and that he gives them more. His daughter comes to stay with us and over the course of a 3 day weekend when we get her at 6pm on Friday and take her back at 6pm on Sunday, her mother will call her 4-5 times and then have her daughter call her every night before she goes to bed. I can sometimes hear her telling her mother "I do love you mommy, yes I do. No I don't love daddy more." Making that little girl feel guilty for loving her daddy and having a good time at our house.  Now that is what I call one SICK, insecure, poor excuse for a mother!!!  And that is putting it nicely!! I don't think there is enough room on Dr. Phil's entire website for me to be able to share all the horrible experiences these two children have had to go through because of their mother and grandmother's extreme hatred against my husband (and me and my children) !! I call them nothing less than Evil!! They are a classic case of PAS! Take it from a step-mom that experiences it almost every day, it is real and there needs to be something done for all of the children who have to go through it!! It is not fair for these children!!!
WOW! Your story sounds exactly like ours! I've heard the same conversations from my stepson when he's talking to his mom on the phone which happens all weekend while he's here. She even told him "he did not have a place with Jesus" because he is "just like his father" when he was about 8 years old! These women & men that do this to their own children are evil and something has to be done. What can we do??? We have talked to lawyers & they say we have no "proof" & we refuse to put him in a court to testify against either of his parents. The only way we could change anything is if there is a "change in circumstances". NC law sucks for the fathers and is NOT fair.
 
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October 3, 2008, 7:35 am PDT

a victim of brainwashing

Dear Dr Phil, When i first separted and filed for a divorce my ex told my kids  "See it's your Mom that doesn't want to work out the marriage" He had my kids write letters against m e  to his Lawyer. My lawyer should have showed these letters to the judge. I am still dealing with brainwashing. My  youngest right now won't speak to me or have anything to do with me. MY oldest even said to me Mom you have done nothing wrong to her. It is hard enough to file for a divorce without having an ex brainwash my kids against me.Please contact me and I can tell you my story you won't believe some ot the things  he did to turn them against me.  Laurie
 
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October 3, 2008, 7:41 am PDT

Brainwashed

I am married to a wonderful husband and father, but I see what he has to go through with his 2 kids because of his ex wife.  She is a very evil, selfish person.  I have 3 kids myself and couldn't imagine putting my kids through what she does to hers.  There is a 5 year old daughter that won't be anywhere near her dad while her mom is around and when we ask her why she says "because my mommy says it makes her sad when she sees me with you".  She will also say things out of the blue as to what her mom says to her about her dad and about her moms and dads relationship and why they are divorced.  I could keep going on with everything we hear and how the little girl acts towards her dad. 

The little boy is 7 and he cries at night on Fridays saying that his mommy is all alone and he needs to go and be with her.  Although, when she has them she drops them off at the grandparents house so she can go out on the weekends.  She just does this prior to them coming down to our home.  When we pick them up she is sitting in the back of their van with them and makes us wait while she is telling them stuff.

She is the one that broke their marriage up.  If she is in the mood to want him back after 3 years now and she hears we are having problems through the kids, she will call my husband to try to get back in the radar.  She is also where the kids are in sports but won't pack their sports uniform because she wants the kids back with her while at their games and wants to dress them in the car once we get there.

I truely feel this is exactly what the show is talking about and it stems from her past.  She grew up with out a father because her mother did the same thing to her and wouldn't let them have a relationship and she would just prefer the kids not having a father because she grew up without one.  We have been having these issues since I've been in the picture.  For the longest time she had to try to call them on our weekends because she was having withdraws and just wanted to hear them cry for her.  This woman has serious issues but we feel she needs counseling not necessarily that the kids need to be taken from her.  She does use the kids as pawns and thinks of them as items not as children that she is being abuseful to.

 
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October 3, 2008, 7:51 am PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

Quote From: dixiemomof4

For anyone out there that does not believe PAS is real, please take a visit to my little town in NC and read the court notes from the custody battle my husband has had to go through to see his children!! His ex, Pam, is a text book case along with her mother, Barbara. They have done everything they can to ruin my husband's relationship with his 2 children (a boy 14 and a girl 10).  They kept them from him right after the split, they told them many lies, they told the children their daddy didn't love them anymore and didn't want to see them, they told them that he didn't pay his child support (although he has NEVER missed a $1000/month child support pymt), they tell them now that he loves my children more and that he gives them more. His daughter comes to stay with us and over the course of a 3 day weekend when we get her at 6pm on Friday and take her back at 6pm on Sunday, her mother will call her 4-5 times and then have her daughter call her every night before she goes to bed. I can sometimes hear her telling her mother "I do love you mommy, yes I do. No I don't love daddy more." Making that little girl feel guilty for loving her daddy and having a good time at our house.  Now that is what I call one SICK, insecure, poor excuse for a mother!!!  And that is putting it nicely!! I don't think there is enough room on Dr. Phil's entire website for me to be able to share all the horrible experiences these two children have had to go through because of their mother and grandmother's extreme hatred against my husband (and me and my children) !! I call them nothing less than Evil!! They are a classic case of PAS! Take it from a step-mom that experiences it almost every day, it is real and there needs to be something done for all of the children who have to go through it!! It is not fair for these children!!!
I just posted a message, but I am in the same situation.  It is really hard to see the father go through this when you know they are wonderful fathers and these woman need to be thankful that their children have fathers that are in their lives and that do support them.  My husband is also from NC, and they went through a bad court battle.  She is always telling the kids that their dad doesn't work and that Julie supports them, but NOT telling them that their dad is going to college to get an education to be able to provide better for them.  Your situation is way too much like ours.  His ex, Stacy, used to call everyweekend just to get the kids to cry for her.  Her new husband finally put a stop to that but now has them thinking that she is lonely and has no one when they come to our house so they cry on Friday nights before they go to sleep.  The little girl won't even be around her dad while her mom is around and she says it's because it makes her mommy sad to see her with her dad.  I wonder if Pam and Stacy are related?  They sound identacle.
 
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October 3, 2008, 7:51 am PDT

Responsibility

I'm a single mom of two adult boys. We divorced when they were ten and seven. I believe in the advice of "never say anything bad about the other parent" and stuck to it. I believed that my boys were smart enough to figure out the character of their father on their own without me poisoning them. Unfortunately, that is exactly what happened. Like many who are reading this know, divorce and the fallout from it is long-lasting and very ugly.

Our story is one like many of yours. My ex-husband did his best to disparage me to our boys. I just kept on loving them and being the best mom I knew how to be. I encouraged them to have a relationship with their dad because I knew how vital that is, especially in the forming pre-teen years. Don't get me wrong...there were many times when I wanted to tell them what I thought about their dad. But thanks to God and a lot of good friends who were my accountability partners, I held my tongue.

When the boys were in fifth and seventh grades, their dad decided that HE no longer wanted to be around them. He had remarried and apparently that life was more important.

What I want to say is this. Kids need BOTH parents. Even though my boys are grown and are good, solid, hard-working, caring, kind, etc. men, they still have a hole in their lives that I cannot fill. It breaks my heat that they have to go through their lives without that relationship, due to no fault of their own. My oldest son is getting married in a couple months and I know that even though he has worked through this issue, their will still be a small part of him that will be sad that day because his dad is not there.

Be responsible parents!
 
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October 3, 2008, 7:57 am PDT

Yes, PAS is true

I am thankful that you have used your program to get the word out about PAS, and share with divorced parents that it is not acceptable behavior. 

My exhusband is a minister.  For years before he finally stated he wanted a divorce he was brainwashing my children against me.  My eldest daughter, who is now 17, shared with me after we moved out of his residence the extent of what was said.  She also shared that he was brainwashing her against her biological father also.

My younger children are boys.  They hear his details about the divorce that no child should hear.  My exhusband has given my eleven year old the paperwork from the divorce, the letters he wrote to his lawyer and emails that I supposedly wrote.  He has told my son that I hae a disease, that makes me change my mind.

It is not only him, it is my exmother in law also.  Before we left, she walked my son around the house, looking around, and bad mouthed me.  She told my son that I was a sinner and going to hell.

I do not discuss matters that should be between adults with my children.  I do answer questions.  I will not lie, I have occasionally spoken out against my exhusband.  But, I promised myself, and my children that I would not speak poorly about their father.  For the most part, I have kept my promise. 

I believe that when a parent, in my case my exhusband and his family is abusive against the children and wife/husband, they SHOULD NOT SEE THE CHILD.  THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE VISITATION!!!! 

I could tell you many things, many falshoods my exhusband has said.  I do not believe he should have visitation. 

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:03 am PDT

Been there done that

I have been on both sides of this.  I have two boys of my own and three step kids.  My husband loves his children and we have tried to make our home a happy place for all of the kids.  It is a hard thing to do.  My husbands ex talks bad about my husdand my boys and myself, she has told her kids to be mean to my kids, hit them call them names and try anything they could do to make life at our home hell.  They have done some of the things she wants to make her happy.  They would get home from our house and they would have interrogation hour, she wanted to know everything that happened over the weekend, were we went, what we ate, what was said, she would have them listen to all converations and report back to her.  She found out through them what we paid for rent, she found out anything.  My oldest step son stopped coming over when he was 12 because he did not want anything to do with a step family, he stopped talking to his dad and no matter what my husband tried he wouldn't talk to him.  I felt guilty because I was relieved that he didn't come over anymore because he was just so mean to everyone, even his own brother and sister, it was like we all breathed easier when he wasn't around but I felt so bad for my husband because it really hurt him.  His kids are now 20, 20 ,&22 and things aren't much easier for all of us, you would think after 13 years and her being remarried would help but it didn't, she is still as mean and nasty as always.

My ex husband talks bad about me and my husband but my boys really don't listen to him because they know what kind of people we really are and that we are always there for them and their step brother and sister.  My oldest has high functioning autuism and he can reads people well, if he don't like you then he won't be around you.  I have never talked bad about my ex, well not in front of the kids, I feel that they will figure it out for themself and they have.  I only wish my step kids could figure out what a liar and controlling person their mother really is. She can make up the best stories about people.

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:09 am PDT

Amen to that!

Quote From: natesmom4ever

I want to send a message to all of you parents out there that think you're doing the right thing for your child/ren by supporting their "decision" to cut out the non-custodial parent out of their lives, whether they are paying child support or not. 

 

Think about this: If you are in any way, shape or form exaggerating, manipulating, telling white lies, twisting the truth, fabricating events, justifying and/or rationalizing, in order to influence your child/ren's love and opinions of their other parent, YOU ARE COMITTING PARENTAL ALIENATION!  It's that simple and THAT'S CHILD ABUSE! 

 

Children are much more forgiving than us adults and I'm not saying that where there is REAL abuse going on it should be ignored.  Those of you who are truly dealing with abuse know who you are.  This message is not for you.  Its for the rest of you, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!  "If you know in your heart that you are doing and saying things that are inaccurate because you really would rather not have to deal with your ex for whatever reason, then you are being selfish and you are robbing your child/ren of their right to love, forgive AND be loved by both their parents. 

 

Natesmom4ever

 

I totally agree with 'Natesmom4ever'.........  We have been battling a bitter bio-mom for 12 years now.

 

Dr. Phil's "5 mistakes parents make" ........ she's done/doing all 5

 

My question for Dr. Phil (are you listening ?) is -----  what can we do to help a child who has been put in this situation ?  We can all recite our horror stories, but later today, when he's home from school, what can we do to help him ?

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:16 am PDT

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I have been in this same situation as my mother was so bitter she turned my  brother & sister against my father  & is still doing it 35 years later! I am now married to a wonderful man, husband & father & am having to watch him go thru a living hell because his exwife is doing the same with his 2 boys. She has succeeded with the oldest that is now 18 and is working hard on the youngest which is 13.   When he first comes to the house he is reserved & is afraid to open up. After he's here for a day or two, he will start smiling & communicating. Then he has to go back & it starts all over again the next weekend.  I've been thru all this and it's only going to get worse. We have no recourse and there is nothing we can do legally but be there for him. We NEVER talk about his Mom or  her husband but she constantly talks about us terribly to him and uses him against us all the time. And don't tell me that this stops after 2 years.... My mother is Still doing the same after 35+ years & this woman has been doing it for over 5 years and there is no end in sight. She'll be working on grandchildren just like my mother does now.... it never ends with some women.....

ME TOO !!!  I just sent an e-mail to my husband's ex that said "my mom and dad are still fighting 35 years later and making me miseralbe, do you want that for your son??!"

 

My husband's ex gave up custody a year ago because she couldn't handle the boy anymore.  Just like I said 9 years ago, " she's corrupt him and he'll have trouble in school, and will be full of attitude, and when she gets frustrated, she'll send him to us and say 'fix him;"  and that is EXACTLY what happened.

 
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October 3, 2008, 8:35 am PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

I just finished watching your show.  I really enjoyed watching your show, but didn't like the lady lawyer you had on this morning.  She didn't answer your questions like you asked them to her.

 

Thank you

G.B.

 
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