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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 3, 2008, 1:01 pm PDT

THANK YOU!!!

Some believe that there are no such things as coincidences.  Today I feel that my calling out sick today and seeing this topic on the Dr. Phil show today is no coincidence.

 

I have been fighting as a parent for nearly 10 years.  My ex-husband and I divorced in May 1999.  It was a very dramatic and truamatic divorce with a lot of manipulation caused by his then fiancee/girlfriend and now his wife. When we divorced our children were 3.5, 2 and an infant.  It was decided that the children should reside with him as his new wife could stay at home and care for the children.  We both have joint legal custody in the state of NJ.

 

His wife "D"since the divorce at each exchange, as he was not and still is not 'allowed' contact with me on any level (her rule) would insult me, calling me extremely offensive durogatory names Every Tuesday, Thursday and alternate weekends.  After this became an ongoing issue with repeated harassment complaints we were granted a no contact order, except to otherwise communicate with my mother, of whom I have a strained relationship.  On top of that my ex "J" and his wife filed a motion to try to remove my custody rights.  My mothers day present in 2001 was that the kids were to only call me by "Maggie" not "mom" when they were around their stepmother and father.  Luckily when I am with them I am instantly "Mom"

 

That was back in 2000.  It is now 2008.  My children are now almost 14, 11 and 10.  I have moved to North Virginia back in 2003 after getting a Paralegal Science degree (with the amount of litigation and belligerent behavior I felt it was my best avenue to protect myself and save money on lawyers) and I have made a new life for myself.   Since my move to VA,  there have been at least 6 motions to enforce my rights as a parent to simply visit and communicate with my children.  The NJ court system does not seem to recognize Parental Alienation Syndrome (PAS) as a valid reason to consider enforcement of any motions or statutory laws.

 

If I call my children I am hung up on, reprimanded (with the same likeness of the exchanges when the divorce was young) and the messages never relayed to my children. If I send or give gifts to my children they go missing.  When I have the children for visitation there are many ways we have been harassed, the most extreme was being called every two hours - needless considering that I was visiting the children in NJ.   now, my children are not allowed to be near a computer in fear that they will contact me, the cell phone I gave my daughter to use to keep in touch with me her father uses for a side business, and "D" has even gone as far as leaving copies of my journals and sexually explicit letters from my liasons when married under my daughters bed for her to read. The children have been told I don't love them, don't want them, and think I do not make efforts to contact them, and when I was in a long term relationship my partner was accused of being a pedophile (but was dismissed based on the fact in the motion it was just hearsay) and they tried to prevent my children from meeting a man I cared very much about. All of this is the doing of the Stepmother.

 

My children are afraid to tell their father because "D" lies about her behavior, and then punishes the kids behind his back when he is not home, and is not home often as he works long hours and commutes to NYC from the NJ suburbs.  The children are afraid to tell a school counselor or call DYFS dfor help as they fear they will be removed from their home with their father, and be removed from their lives and friends.  I am also fortunate that when I am with my children that they know me for me, and realize I am not what they say I am, and they realize the woman who has most been disparaging me knows me the least.  She only knows of me what she read in 10-15 year old diaries, what she was told by my ex husband, and whatever little the children may mention about me.  She does not know anything about my life here in Virginia, any of my friends, and in a way it pains me that I do live so far from my children but I know I am "safe" here and proud of the many accomplishments I have made as a person that has enabled me to offer more as a person to my children.  If my children were not as perceptive as they are and such good listeners, I would fear that my relationship with my children would have been completely tainted by this woman.

 

At this rate I anxiously await my children to be old enough to be able to state what they desire and to act on it, be it a change in custody and residence, or simply when they are 18 and can make their own legal decisions. 

 

This is a real nightmare. It does exist.  There are people who will do anything to cut a child's bond from their parents.  In my case what makes it extraordinary is that the person causing the abuse is not a blood relative, it is the step parent.  However my ex husband allows the behavior to happen and refuses to address the situation, and I suspect because she will threaten to leave him and he is not capable of single parenting.  In the meantime I have little or no contact with my children except when I see them on my visitation weeks, and the little I do, my children literally have to SNEAK around, and if caught they are PUNISHED.  Imagine that concept for a moment.. punished because you want to talk to your mother, who is a loving, nurturing person, who simply wants to know how your day was, and to say "I love you!".  That is by all means truly sick, evil, and sad.

 

Thank you for brining this to the attention of the Nation.  There are groups, organizations that provide help, support, but the problem is getting the "System" to provide help or to enforce the legal rights children have to have a relationship with both parents free of harassment from anyone. 

 
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October 3, 2008, 1:03 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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I have been in this same situation as my mother was so bitter she turned my  brother & sister against my father  & is still doing it 35 years later! I am now married to a wonderful man, husband & father & am having to watch him go thru a living hell because his exwife is doing the same with his 2 boys. She has succeeded with the oldest that is now 18 and is working hard on the youngest which is 13.   When he first comes to the house he is reserved & is afraid to open up. After he's here for a day or two, he will start smiling & communicating. Then he has to go back & it starts all over again the next weekend.  I've been thru all this and it's only going to get worse. We have no recourse and there is nothing we can do legally but be there for him. We NEVER talk about his Mom or  her husband but she constantly talks about us terribly to him and uses him against us all the time. And don't tell me that this stops after 2 years.... My mother is Still doing the same after 35+ years & this woman has been doing it for over 5 years and there is no end in sight. She'll be working on grandchildren just like my mother does now.... it never ends with some women.....
OMG! You are SO right! I just posted a message about how my mom is still doing the same thing and my father has now passed away.
 
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October 3, 2008, 1:04 pm PDT

Parental Alienation

I think first of all parents that make false allegations should absolutely be prosecuted, that being said I believe parental alienation exists, not saying in all cases and yes I believe it can be used as an excuse at times but it DOES exist.

 

And honneslty Liz, the Family Law person drove me NUTS. I was so happy when the daughter of the man who kidnapped his children put her in her place....I wanted to do that through the whole show. Couldn't believe she questioned Dr Phil as to why parents would actually  use their kids as a pawn, I've seen it time and time again - they're mad at eachother and the divorce becomes a competition to try and hurt the other party more...including the children digs deeper, therefore gaining more ground.

 

People should put their kids first, not just say they do but actually put them first. And the more you keep the kids out of the divorce the better off their are. Bottom line being a "bad" spouse has nothing to do with being a bad parent, the are in my mind completely separate issues.

 
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October 3, 2008, 1:07 pm PDT

I am living proof that it exists

     I would like to say that parental alienation does exist, and the way the court systems are set up; you would have to be a millionaire to fight it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I have lost my daughter as a pawn by a father that is so bitter with me that he has used our daughter from day one!  My husband and I were married for 17 years, and we got married when we were only 20.  He changed the instant we got married.  He used to drink all the time and stay high on a regular basis.  He was very very and mentally abusive to me.  Enough was enough.  I tried to end it as painless as possible.  I never put our child in the middle.  I told her that the marriage was not working and that she did not have to pick.  We were both her parents and the only thing that would change was we just weren't going to be married anymore.  She understood.  I never talked bad about her dad and let him see her and communicate with her above and beyond the court orders.  I found out that he was saying bad things about me to her on a daily basis.  NOT GOOD!  Long story short---I have not spoken to her in 3 months when I received an email that basically had her saying "F" you to me.  It was all mispelled---so I know that he was behind it.  I still can't say anything bad about him---she is already too far gone.  All that I can do is "let go and let God". Meanwhile missing all of these wonderful years of her life.  No mother and daughter were EVER closer than she and I were.  It would take far more money than I have or can get to fight him on this and get her the help that she needs.  The courts need to WAKE UP!!!!  This is a real PROBLEM!!!!!!!  And my heart breaks knowing that she is being raised by a man that is still smoking marijuana on a regular basis ( although not enough for law enforcement to warrant watching him)  THIS IS JUST WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 3, 2008, 1:08 pm PDT

My take on parental brainwashing

I started this post ranting about my ex.  I decided this was not the way to go.  I want to say that children are pawns in most divorces and used against one of the parents.  But Dr Phil, as you pointed out, there is a backlash once the children grow into adults who are capable of seeing what had happened.  Now that my son is back with me, it is unfortunate that he has limited interaction with his father.  I did my best not to speak poorly of his father (and that was at times quite tough to do).  I only had my son with me during school vacations and holidays with no financial assistance from his dad.  One day my son asked why I didn't say bad things about his dad, like his dad and the stepbimbo did about me.  I said that part of the divorce said it wasn't supposed to be done and I honored that.  He said his father must not have had that clause in his side of it.  I laughed and explained it was in both of them.  He knows that I want hm to have contact with his dad but he said he had enough contact when he lived with them for 8 years.  I am sad that he dislikes his father, but you know what?  What goes around comes around.  In the end, you actually reap what you sow.  His loss.  Our son is a great young man with unlimited potential and his dad won't experience it.

 
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October 3, 2008, 1:09 pm PDT

The Suffering Parent

I never bad mouthed my children, I spoke positive about dad. Do not doubt for a minute however that I have issues and anger towards him for what he has and is currently doing to my son's. I have a child who says "why doesn't dad love me?" In my heart I knew the truth but I feel that time will tell all and that my sons 9 and 6 yrs. of age should judge dad for their relationship with him. I worried about my son's hating me because dad would not come around or the leaving them to go drink or "live his life "as he called it. I knew that the courts would have to get involved and that soon dad would have visits taken away. He was mentally abusive and emotionally as well. He now has supervised therapeutic visitations that have not started yet and he has not seen them in over a year and a half. I fear everyday and cry every night because I think my children will hate me for not seeing dad. I have done everyting to protect them, but in the end his life style would hurt him in court. I have never said anything negative or hurtful to my children about dad and it is because they only hear positive things and that's why I fear they will hate me. I have hidden the truth of why they have not seen dad. I will never allow anyone to say anything negative abouth dad to or infront of my children. Unfortunately it was not the same with dad and his family. He has allowed women that have never met me to bad mouth m for no reason. It's hard on the boys. But I kept a positive face and attitude. I even went as far as to supply the things dad promised and then say he left it here for you or he left it the next day. I am now afraid that when we are called for visitations it will change the calm we now have at home. I tell my kids that daddy loves them and misses them everyday and it kills me to see my 9 year old cry every now and then because he suddenly misses his dad and wonders when he will see him again. All in all I hurt and I try to give them as much of a normal life as possible and in the end I still have concerns. It's such a bad situation that I won't even consider dating because of all they were exposed to with dad. I feel I owe them as much stability as possible and I am afraid to make changes that may confuse. The other party truly does not know what the custodial parent goes through. I can only keep praying thet  am doing a good job.
 

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October 3, 2008, 1:09 pm PDT

Long Lasting effect

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I heard Dr. Phil state that when the children are older, there will be backlash on the parent that committed the Parental Alienation.   We are still waiting.  My stepchildren are now 17 and 21 and still seem to be under the influence of their mother.  My husband is still the "evil" father that she played him out to be since they were 2 and 5. 

 

We were involved in court battles for 10 years trying to convice the court that she was purposefully alienated the children from their father.  Then his ex took the children and moved them 1500 miles away without our knowledge or permission from the court.  The court's did not intervene (even with a court order stating she could not do this.)   

 

Now, his daughter never speaks to him and his son very little.  I feel she committed the ultimate Parental Alienation by moving them so far away and proved to the courts our years of allegations.  But, still nothing was done!  (It's hard to practice visitation 3 times a week with children half way across the country.)  I would like to believe that the backlash from the years of abuse at the hands of their mother will play out.  But, until then . . . . .

I am a victim of this and know other people with similar situations and the sad part is that your husband's daughter may never come around to realize what is going on but she could and when it happens it will be such a relif.
 
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October 3, 2008, 1:11 pm PDT

I'm glad you said what you did.

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I want to send a message to all of you parents out there that think you're doing the right thing for your child/ren by supporting their "decision" to cut out the non-custodial parent out of their lives, whether they are paying child support or not. 

 

Think about this: If you are in any way, shape or form exaggerating, manipulating, telling white lies, twisting the truth, fabricating events, justifying and/or rationalizing, in order to influence your child/ren's love and opinions of their other parent, YOU ARE COMITTING PARENTAL ALIENATION!  It's that simple and THAT'S CHILD ABUSE! 

 

Children are much more forgiving than us adults and I'm not saying that where there is REAL abuse going on it should be ignored.  Those of you who are truly dealing with abuse know who you are.  This message is not for you.  Its for the rest of you, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!  "If you know in your heart that you are doing and saying things that are inaccurate because you really would rather not have to deal with your ex for whatever reason, then you are being selfish and you are robbing your child/ren of their right to love, forgive AND be loved by both their parents. 

 

Natesmom4ever

 

I'm one of those who is accused of alienating my kids, but if the truth be known, they were alienated waaaayyyy before their father finally left for good. He moved thousands of miles away and then proceeded to convince his new friends&family that it was MY fault that they wanted nothing to do with him.I won't bore anyone with the details of our life with my ex, except to say it was horrendous. If anything, my now grown -up kids are very angry with me for not getting them away from their father a lot sooner.I feel tremendous guilt for what I let them go through. Its not always the custodial parent who is the monster or completely in the wrong. There are some really bad parents out there who SHOULD be kept wawy from their kids!
 
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October 3, 2008, 1:12 pm PDT

where did your back bone go, dr phil

i'm commenting about the man who was accused by his x of sexual abusing his children.  And in desperation kidnapped his children.  This man was a victim and after telling his story, the fizzy headed blonde attorney showed no compassion.  Attacking him about his book.  She has no idea what the heck is going on. Get off the show!! no one cares what she thinks!  she made herself look stupid. Dr Phil, where were you? You didn't acknowledge he was a victim and later found innocent!  you should have slammed that attorney.  What happened to the tell it how it is approach?

 

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October 3, 2008, 1:12 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

I have a sister in law who has brain washed her kids by saying such horrible things about there father its not always the mens fault. My heart oes out yo the kids
 
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