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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 3, 2008, 4:38 pm PDT

Not only women do it, but men as well....

My ex husband did this to my son. I now have a 21 yr old son that won't talk to me, runs when I try to visit with him, says he hates my guts, and hangs around with drug addicts and drug dealers, while getting in trouble with the law. I haven't seen Shawn in over 6 yrs, because my ex husband interfered with my rights to see my son. And before anyone decides to lambaste me, I didn't LOSE custody of my son. I simply let HIM decide where he wanted to live, and he wanted to live with his father, where he has always grown up, instead of moving to a whole new community, and having to find a whole new group of friends. I did nothing wrong, but let a 15 yr old child decide where he thought he'd be happier. My ex husband did everything that he could possibly do to alienate me from my son. And now my son is paying the ultimate price, in that he's living a horrible life, befriending the dregs of the world, and having nothing but legal problems.
 
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October 3, 2008, 4:38 pm PDT

Re: PAS

Just listening to your show Dr. Phil, and it's as if you are talking about my situation. I am going through the same thing. My ex-wife Melissa is doing the exact same thing. I have done research and homework about this very matter. There is an existing Court Order that has been in place for three years and she has made many violations against this Court Order. I am a very loving and caring father of two boys ages 7 and 9. Their "toxic mother" has refused to let there be any such contact between our sons and myself. She has also moved out-of-state and did not notify my of any relocation(s). I myself have always notified my ex-wife of any relocation.

 

I have had no contact with Dylan and Cody, our sons, that currently reside in Craig, Colorado. I continue to write Dylan and Cody letters but receive nothing back. I leave my cell phone on 24/7 in case by an off chance one of them calls. I have no idea how they are doing or what they are being exposed to by their mother. All I want out of this entire discussting situation of an ugly divorce is to either talk or at least see my sons Dylan and Cody.

 

I know for a fact that Mel has "brainwashed" them from day one only because I have a letter from Dylan from some time ago that wat writen  by my son but not writen by my son. I know exactly what the law says and what it stipulates. I do know that when our sons grow up they will start to put  information together and they will know what is going on and they will resent her for what she has done to them.

 

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October 3, 2008, 4:41 pm PDT

brainwashing a child

I have experienced alienation of affection as what they call it in custody agreements. But its just not with divorced parents it is also with grandparents also.  Grandparents sued us for grandparents rights just so she could have control she bribed my child with clothes candy places to go etc.  it was so bad one time he had a band recital and didn't even tell us and his reason was that he just didn' t want his father and I there.  It took a LONG time for him to see that we aren't the bad people that she displayed us as to him.  She not only did this with him she did this with people around him friends, sports activities.  She does not even have a relationship with our other two daughters.  What do I tell them when they ask why she doesn't like us?
 
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October 3, 2008, 4:43 pm PDT

Psycho mothers

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My step son was brainwashed by is biological mother against his father who is my husband.  This mother hurt my husband more than words can ever express.  When I met Mike (husband) he and his son had a close relationship.  I did not interfere with that.  I built a relationship of my own with my step son and sincerely thought that it was a good one.  I treated him better than I did my own.  But that is not the point, the bio mom made it impossible for Mike and his son to have a conversation let alone a relationship.  I am happy to say that today father and son communicate regularly.  To twist things a bit here, my parents brainwashed my daughter against me. it is a very long story and painful story one that is too long to post here.  Brainwashing is not a good thing for anyone.  It is a lose -lose situation.

Aprilynn in Kansas

My husband and I have been married for almost 2 years. For the first year of our marriage, his ex-wife was always in our business. She would call him at least 5 times a day for absolutely no reason. They have 2 children. One was actually my husbands child from a previous relationship in which his ex-wife adopted her and then they have one child together. She is constantly bad mouthing my husband in front of the kids. The day after we got married, she got on the phone with my mother-in-law, my husbands work, etc. It has been a nightmare! She tells him when he can have the kids and will not allow any additional time for vacations, etc. She is seriously psycho! She tells them that he's an alcoholic-he doens't even drink, tells them he's a child trapped in a mans body, he's worthless, he's addicted to women, we just got married so that I wouldn't leave him, etc. She stalks him AND me. It's seriously CRAZY! He filed a motion with the court a year ago to get his kids more as we live out in the country and they each have their own room, etc. She refused to let us have any time with the kids other than every other weekend. Not one more hour, not one more day, nothing. She told him that if he wanted more time with them that he could come take them out to dinner once in awhile. His teenage daughter is too far gone- the brainwashing that she has entailed will forever damage her and his son, well he's mentally not all with it. She looks for things and ways for him to be sick. It's to the point that every time we see or talk to him, there's something else wrong with him. It's so sad! Well, after a year of battling back and forth with her and the strain she has placed on our marriage, my husband just threw in the towel and gave up. She is a control freak, apparently always has been and she is seriously SICK in the head. He has told her very simple that she is not to call him or contact him ever unless one of his kids are in the ER or he will file a restraining order against her. These 2 kids are unfortunately going to have to live with what she has done to them. I'm very sad for them. She is a classic case for PAS. I strongly believe that people suffer from this "syndrome" and I strongly agree that it should be addressed in courts. This is a REAL issue that people all over the country suffer with. My heart goes out to anyone and everyone that has been affected by this and I think it's about damn time that someone steps up and does something to STOP and PREVENT this from damaging any more children.

 

Sick of PAS- Wisconsin

 
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October 3, 2008, 4:43 pm PDT

Its not funny

Watching family law attorney Liz Kates smile so much throughout the show while discussing potential abuse issues was very disturbing.  Being a father of two, and separated, I couldn't help but feel as if I was being dismissed.  Its not funny, and I take exception to anyone treating such an issue so lightly.
 
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October 3, 2008, 4:44 pm PDT

I totally AGREE!!

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I completely understand what your son is going through.  I, also have spent over $20,000 in legal fees that I can't afford.  I, unlike your sons x, always complied with my son's father when it came to visitation.  I even encouraged him when he didn't want to see his father.  I was also falsely accused of sexual and dental abuse, that had no evidence.  I have fought for over 2 years to get my son back.  I did have supervised visitation but his father refused to bring him in.  I had full custody of my son for 7 years because his father didn't claim him.  But, i wanted our son to have the benefit of two parents whether were together or not.  Good luck on your fight, what she's doing is wrong, never give up on your child.
THESE FAMILY COURT SYSTEMS NEED TO CHANGE!!!! My ex is a drug addict.  He admitted in conciliation that he was a drug user and the children told the conciliator that he was doing drugs during a visits yet it is ignored!  My lawyer keeps telling me that there is nothing that can be done about it unless he is actually caught by the police that he is doing drugs when he is with the children.  THis means that the children will have to be put in the middle!  I am only concerned about their safety.  He will drive them in the car under the influence.  Everytime he does this, he is putting my children in danger!  The courts NEED to CHANGE to LISTEN to the children!  My children are old enough to know!  They are 12 and 13 years old.  Does anyone know who I can contact to start to get these courts to CHANGE!!!
 

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October 3, 2008, 4:49 pm PDT

I am so sorry

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It doesn't just happen to  men, I lost my daughter  many years ago .  she believed his story that I abandoned her, in reality, he took her on the run when she was 18 months old and I never had a chance to see her again.later she contacted me but stopped, bescause she couldn't reconsile over the many lies that she had been told...
I am sorry that this happened to you. I have two children and I can't imagine to go through something like that. My Aunt went through the same thing.. her ex-husband and daughter were on the show. I know she never got over the pain she felt. I hope that one day you can reconsile. I hope that one day she will see the truth. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
 
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October 3, 2008, 4:49 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

I so well can relate to everyone going through this. I went through it twice. When I divorced my first husband he did everything in his power to try and turn my girls against me. Luckily they were teenagers and could see what was happening. Unfortunately it back fired on him and he had 12 grandchildren he was never allowed to see before he passed away. His lose. My second husband tried turning my son against me when we divorced and he succeeded until my son was old enough to see what his dad was doing. I now have the relationship with my son I should have had all along. He still speaks to his father, but only when he has to. The parent trying to alienate the child doesn't realize one day that child will grow up and learn the truth. Everyone I know who has gone through this the child has turned against the alienater when they've gotten older.
 
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October 3, 2008, 4:49 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

My daughter in law was one of those children who was torn up between two parents who divoriced.  He father kidnapped her, telling her that her mother didn't love her anymore.   It really did a job on her and she didn't think her mother loved her and gave her a lot of trouble when she finally got her back.  He gave her back to her mother only when her mother agreed to pay off his credit card debt.  My daughter in law didn't know this until a few months ago, now she feels that her father sold her more or less.  I know she has a lot of anger towards her father and really doesn't have a lot of contact with him other then phone calls and his coming for her wedding and once for a family reunion with is parents.  He didn't offer to pay for any of the wedding and that bothers my daughter in law a lot.  I also wish her mother wouldn't add to the fuel by sharing the facts that he made her pay off his debts to get her back.  That is in the past and it doesn't do anything but hurt my daughter in law... so yes... years after the fact, what they put her through while divoricing still affects her very much.  Parents need to put children's welfare and security first.  They need both parents if possible unless one is abusive towards the child.  What they don't need is to be pulled in different directions.  When I split up with my first husband our son was only 3 weeks old.  My husband adopted him at 2 but I never said anything bad about my first husband to my son.  When he asked I would say "he has problems loving himself so it is hard for him to understand how someone else loves him and pushes them away"  He also drank and got involved in drugs and I wasn't going to raise a child in that situation but I did not tell that to my son.  I let him know that he was a nice guy who had problems and grew up in a bad home.  Now my son is an adults and I did tell him that I worry about his able to control his drinking because Alcoholism runs in his biological fathers family.  I still try never to say anything negitive about him.  I am glad that I realized from the beginning that to insult a parent is to insult the child and that isnt acceptable.

 
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October 3, 2008, 4:51 pm PDT

think of the children

I am a school teacher.  I am female.  I am not a parent.  Watching today's show brings up some strong emotions for me, as I am one of the people who see the effects divorce/custody battles have on kids.  Parents have no idea how much their children suffer when they speak ill of the other parent, and even more when they do anything to sabbotage the relationship with that other parent.  We know their reasons behind it (jealousy, spite, vindictiveness...), and as the lawyer who spoke on the show said, it may be common.  But that does not make it okay!   

 

As a teacher I see how the child is often affected.  Symptoms are real!  They may be depressed, angry, hurtful, withdrawn, and their grades may suffer.  Also, be aware, that children sometimes feel that school is a safe place and WILL share their thoughts or say things that would actually shock anyone.  As a teacher, I am to remain neutral to both parties.  I have to protect myself and avoid taking sides, even volunteering to testify, because then I could be subjected to personal lawsuit.  It really frustrates me that MY thoughts and observations are almost never known.  Lawyers are only fighting for two things:  their client and the win.  I wish that any battle dealing with children could be lawyer-free, and only a judge would be able to try the case with advocates for the child only!  That would be the day. 

 

I want to say one thing to the lawyer who spoke on the show.  I don't think I could ever look you in the eye.  You publically degraded the author of the book 'Unlawful Flight'.  You belittled his most powerful feelings and emotions of love for his children-- the GREATEST love a person could ever feel.  I don't know how you sleep with yourself at night.  You are not for children, and you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting that man's story.  He revealed some of his deepest feelings and all you could say with sarcasm was "That's a really sweet story, but..."  You have no heart.

 

To the author of 'Unlawful Flight', I just want you to know that although I am not a parent, I long to be one, and I heard your pain as well as your justifed feelings of love and the actions you took.  My heart goes out to you and your children.  Look at the outcome!  Your beautiful daughter is the result of everything you gave her.  Don't EVER feel unjustified of that.  I am going to read your book, and I will recommend it to the parents I deal with who have lived lives similar to yours.

 
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