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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 3, 2008, 6:21 pm PDT

The common thread.... Where the blame LIES

 

Hey "Phoctor Dill"...  It certainly looks like you struck a nerve with this show. A follow-up is needed, for sure.

 

After watching.... reading...  and posting my own experience... (and that forced me to revisit some painful places I thought I'd never have to go back to)...  but at the time, I had kept a journel of everything that happened, in my experience...  and I went back, and read through it. Man... not to boast or anything... but my ex, and the whole experience was about a month's-worth of Dr. Phill shows. (No kidding).

 

Ya know... I'm not at all convinced that it's a male/female, man/woman, wife/husband. mother/father issue, cause, result, or answer, because it seems that both genders are guilty, and victims. From my experience in my case.... and, sitting through the proceedings of many others while waiting for my case to be called, for numerous court dates...  I really think the breakdown falls squarely on the shoulders of the judges. I can't tell you how many times I witnessed a judge completely disregard something that was such an incredibly large, and all-important factor...  and all too often, the judge won't even let the facts be heard.

 

Certainly, the child/children loose. Their entire lives are affected, and it can change who they are, and what kind of person they grow up to be. That's bad enough. But- there's the 'injustice' of it all... as well as the damage inflicted on the other members of the family, as well. And don't forget about the parent who has given their 'all'... everything they are, and they still get trampled on. And at the end of the day, the judge takes off his or her robes, goes home to enjoy a fine evening... and evidently, they believe they've done their job to the best of their ability.

 

Certainly, the law makers have some blame. They tend to over-correct when legislating, and go from one extreme, to another...  but never seem to find 'that sweet spot', where balance and common sense rules. Between the law makers and the judges... we citizens are screwed... unless, of course, we have lots-O-money, and a killer lawyer (could be a literal term)(I dunno). Tell me again why it's such a great idea that judges don't have to be accountable to anyone. That seems to be part of the job description of God.

 

No... I realize that if judges were held accountable, the legal biz would be even more constipated than it already is. (Hell... I've been waiting for my disability hearing for.... well... I forgot.... I filed in 2004!). In any case...  would it not be the job of the judge to act in the best interest of the child... and to find out what that is, all relevant facts must be heard? Call me kookie.

 

Dr. Phil frequently speaks of 'common sense making a comeback'.... hell, if I were the next President, one of the first things I'd do of form the "Department of Common Sense", which would be over EVERY other department of Federal, State, and Local governments. (It almost sounds good on paper)(and... evidently, I just don't drink enough).

 
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October 3, 2008, 6:26 pm PDT

Sometimes it is a Difficult Relationship

I do find it a bit frustrating when we can slap a label on something and it is true.  I am sure that there are instances of parental alienation, but we also have to keep in mind that there are times that this is being used as an excuse.  My daughter has a difficult, not horrible, but difficult relationship with her father.  I'm not perfect, but do really understand the value of all parental relationships and have gone out of my way to help their relationship improve.  We have been in continual litigation for 8 years which she knows nothing about.  She has recently turn the age where her voice can be heard in a court of law.  She wrote a letter asking to be able to have one home (instead of bouncing back and forth).  She needs stability and she asked for it.  Just Standard Visitation....no alienation....just a cry for her to be put first.  It was met with anger and now I am being accused of parental alienation.  It is being used as a ploy to courts.  It is being twisted and used against me when the only thing I am trying to get is putting her first.  We must be careful with the general statements that are being thrown around.  We need to put the children first and not the parents.  This is about how to give these little ones a life as close to those children who are fortunate enough not to have to deal with this horrid situation. 
 
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October 3, 2008, 6:27 pm PDT

Get real

Dear Dr. Phil, I am so tired of dead beat dad's using this "Syndrome" as an excuse to control and manipulate good moms. What on earth did these dad's think was going to happen? When you have children, especially boys who's dad's can not seem to make time for them, make promises that they never keep, speak badly about the parent they live with and then they wonder why the child after years does not like them or want to spend time with them. Yes children love their parents. That rejection is what makes them so angry. These dad's want everything their way. Their own life on their schedule and relationships with the children on their terms without considering the needs or wants of the children. Then they go and bash the moms who have been there day in and day out, nagging the father to be more active. I say have real discussion's with your child. Do not force your child into situations that they are not comfortable in and follow through with what you say. Make your child and not yourself the priority and see if things then change instead of making up excuses and blaming the mom for the mess that YOU have created.
 
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October 3, 2008, 6:33 pm PDT

parents can be vindictive and its sad

I have been going through a tough time with my husbands ex wife. We spent four years in court just trying to settle visitation matters. Over the years  she was allowed to take out at least 30 something restraining orders on him and in the end would be in violation of all of them by telling him he could come to her house and visit with the kids. For some one so scared this doesn't seem like something you would do it was all a control issue if you do what I want I want call the police and tell them your here. He an I had been together 2 years before she would agree to let me meet the kids everything had to be on her terms so I played along trying to support my man. I have even stayed with my husband at her home while visiting the kids over night. And we stayed over night at Christmas once we did what ever we could to keep the peace so he could spend time with his babies.He went to chapel hill one day early because he was to visit his kids the next day and ran in to her at the store and she went and took out stalking charges against him and thats when it was on . We were ordered by the court to  drive 3 1/2 hours to visit  1 hour with the kids every other weekend and when we got there we still had to pay 10.00 just to use the facility. this went on for 2 years.After a while we granted a order that would allow us to take them to our home for the weekend . Still having to pick them up and return them to the visitation center which was very much to her disliking. After a couple of visits she stared bringing them and telling the workers there they did not want to go with us for a visit and the worker would simply come tell us they told her they were not going to visit us there and they were not going to our home for the weekend. So back to court we go. while there she was told there would be regular visits and again it failed to happen. We were finally ordered into mediation she refused to participate. We were then ordered to by a social worker 100.00 an hour to supervise our case she did have to pay 40.00 dollars of this. After time with the social worker she was in agreement that these kids loved there dad and wanted to spend time with him and also let the courts know that it was the mothers influence that kept them from wanting to visit. She told the social worker that they didn't f---ing want to see there dad and that if every body didn't leave her alone she would disappear with her f---ing kids and know would would ever see them again all this was said right in front of the kids. Great role model right. She failed to appear in court at least 3 or 4 times and nothing was done just give her one more chance was what was always said. Four years later we finally see them every three weeks and she has attempted twice to break the order and we were firm in letting her know we would prosecute and have the sheriff show up for our visit if she did not have them there. She moved with the kids so we did not even have an address to send child support but we took that to court and now we make payments threw the system which is in poor operation. Although if you have Internet you can find any thing you want so we know where she is she just don't think we know. It is a shame that you can play such games with your children's minds and not suffer some repercussions she has committed mental abuse as far as I am concerned. I have  a daughter and was divorced from her adopted father and never denied him the right to see and love her. His ex would love nothing better than for him to disappear from his kids lives. We planned a weekend camping trip for the kids and had to pay for 1/2 of it up front and we got a call at 7:15 the day before we were to pick them up at 4 for there first ever week with dad for the summer visit and said they were not coming they had family in town unexpectedly. We called back and said this was unsatisfactory reasons and we would pick them up on schedule. After we were cussed out in front of the kids cause you could hear them in the back ground we were told that we will just tell them daddy want be fair and reschedule his weekend even though we had both taken off the week to be with the kids. So we said go ahead make daddy look like the bad guy one more time because this is how they operate. Just sick of parents who abuse the system and there children and they always seem to get away with it. If he had pulled the stunts she did he would be under the jail. My daughter is now 27 and me and her daddy get along very well we didn't always but when it comes down to it we realized our daughter was the most important thing in our lives and we need to teach her ti was okay to forgive and learn how to put fun in our dysfunctional family lol. I really tried to search out fathers rights advocate groups but was unsuccessful if you know of any I would like the address because I'm positive this will go back to court again she will find some way to come up with something I have never met some body so full of hate and bitterness.  
 
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October 3, 2008, 6:34 pm PDT

PAS is real and happens more than admitted

I would like Ms Kates to tell me to my face that what happened to me is phony. My father is guilty of brainwashing my brother and I against my mother for only one reason, his ego. My parents divorced when I was nine and from the moment my mother left (custody with dad), the brainwashing began. From your mother doesn't love you, to you're not allowed to have a relationship with your mother, to she's not your mother anymore, my father was so bitter at her leaving him that he would do anything to make her pay.

 

I wish that this story could have a happy ending. But to this day, he still "punishes" me for choosing to have a relationship with her. I'm 37 years old and almost 30 years have passed . He still can't let it go. PAS is very real and should not be taken lightly. My mother quietly waited for us to grow up knowing in her heart that we (the kids) would know the truth and eventually come around. While I did, it doesn't erase the years of abuse that I endured at the hand of my bitter angry father.

 

The sad truth about PAS is that it doesn't end with just the kids. My children also have to pay the price for my father's actions. When he won't attend Christmas dinner, attend a sports event, or make an appearance at a birthday party, it breaks my heart to have to explain to them that it isn't their fault. When they ask why grandpa doesn't love them, I have to explain the unexplainable. I dare Ms Kates to tell them that what they are feeling is phony. 

 
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October 3, 2008, 6:43 pm PDT

I believe he is telling the truth as it is!!!

This happens so often and their is nothing you can do about it legally. He was finally tired of all the public episodes and lying she was doing to keep his daughter from ever knowing him. Her motive was to embarrass him enough and give him the run around every time he called or showed up for his visitations; to where he would finally say enough is enough and just quit seeing her. In her mind it would have been perfect if she could collect a check and not have to share her child. She has another 15 year old daughter out of wedlock that has no contact with her father and is told she will not be able to go on the shopping trips, be in cheerleading or go on dates if she has any contact with her father. That child has been spoiled beyond repair and the mother has very little control besides bribery. I can see how the man on the show feels helpless and how he feels the child has turned against him without him even doing anything. I also believe the child need to be taken out of his mothers home for at least a couple months without contact with the mother. I believe that is the best way to allow the child to see how his father is not what the mother has portrayed him to be. To conclude my story after going to court for a year and a half we were given custody. This mother was only using this child to get back at her ex (my husband) since she did not care to show up for court over 10 times to keep her child. The courts gave this mother too many second chances since she missed visitations time after time and thought ignoring the courts and getting away with it would make us feel helpless. Even though it was frustrating when she had custody it didn't stop as soon as we got custody. Even a year of the girl living in our home and visiting her mother she was still trying to go back and live with her mother and sabotage our marriage. Within the last couple months thing have dramatically improved since she knows we don't put her in the middle. We don't make her lye or ask anything that goes on at the other house she sees our house as the fair and peaceful place to live.

 
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October 3, 2008, 6:45 pm PDT

the whole truth not what i titled it

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I just wanted to say that the book doesn't tell the whole story... it tells Glen's side of the story as he remembers it. However, there are documents that prove his memory is a little rusty. Also, the whole story would be complete only when the mother gets a chance to speak her side.. OH that's right she can't. But her family can tell her side through factual documents not just memory. I hope that Glen can help many families struggling through a difficult and nasty divorce. My only problem is that he has that wonderful relationship with his children, but he never gave their mom that chance.

 sorry but i did not title my paragraph the whole truth i don' t know who did.  my title was i just want to say

 that is true there are always to sides to a disagreement.  Been there done that as I was divorced too and had many custody battles.  so if i offended you i apologize.  but Melissa did a stand up job.

 
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October 3, 2008, 6:46 pm PDT

My son could relate to this program

My son and his ex-wife shared custody of their two sons until she was re-assigned to Japan (she is in the Air Force).  Prior to her leaving, they both were in mediation to come to some agreement that would work for both of them.  She had agreed that my son would have the boys two weeks in the summer and one week at Christmas.  She also agreed that they would have contact via phone and internet.  Once she was in Japan she contacted my son to let him know they all arrived safely but he has had little contact since then.  He has tried to call several times but she seldom picks up the phone.  She does not answer emails and summer came and went and he did not have the boys.  He has tried to contact the Air Force, but they consider it a civil matter.  He has already paid for two attorneys that did little to help him.  As the boys "Nana", I have also sent cards and gifts to the boys for various occassions and she has never acknowledged me or acknowledged receiving things for the boys.  We are all frustrated and don't know who to write or where to seek help without paying a ton of money. 
 
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October 3, 2008, 6:57 pm PDT

pissed with the system

I take this matter very seriously and as a woman we can be very vindictive if hurt. I have sat back and watched my step children suffer needlessly because there mom hates there dad. They have said things to me like mom likes you better than dad and my grandma don't like you and hates daddy. These children are not encouraged at all to have a relation ship with there father. It is sad and we just tell them it is okay but we don't hate there mom or grandma. We refuse to say any thing negative about them in front of the kids. One day his son was telling me about a snake they killed in the yard and how mama was cutting its head off and laughing saying look its daddy tell me that ain't trying to alienate a child's affection for a parent. Alienating children is very real and serious mental abuse in my opinion. I think courts need to sit back and spend a little more time listening to what is really going on before they make all these snap judgments about our children's lives. Even though I judge has heard our case for 4 years and would recognize us if we walked past I don't think he really understood the seriousness of what the social worker said and he made us hire her. She was not at all happy with the way the kids were being handled mentally by there mom. But hey what can we do courts and lawyers have sucked us dry. People need to learn to handle their lives in an orderly manner which means stop plying games with your kids minds so you hate your spouse do you hate the part of your child that id like your spouse get over it go on with your lives and help your kids be mentally healthy happy adults who can cope with the truth and reality.

 
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October 3, 2008, 6:58 pm PDT

PAS and the Judicial System

The problem is not only the hostile aggressive parent, it's the judicial system . . .

The current female custody, dad visitation system, can only be described as "child abuse" and the judges who keep children from having both parents in their lives are clearly "child abusers."

Today, in our courts, judges usually determine custody of children based on what is in the "best interest of the child". Judges will typically rely on "expert" testimony to assist in the decision making process, however, some Judges deviate from State Law and annoint themselves as "expert" in deciding what is best for children

Example: The judge of one non-custodial parent, despite successfully completing all court orders, responded with the following statement; "I would like to thank you for your compliance with my court orders, however, I don't believe the evaluation of these "experts" and therefore I am suspending all parental rights; you may not phone, write, or attend any event which involves your children."

No judge should be allowed to arbitrarily circumvent State law when deciding child custody cases. This is why it's critical we support legislation that will eliminate this authority. Judges have failed to order significant residential schedules for non-custodial parents. Laws must be passed which mandate a State ordered, standard Parenting Plan, without any interference from the Courts. This will stop the process of Courts divorcing children from the non-custodial parent and extended family members.

 
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