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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 4, 2008, 9:46 am PDT

It is a disease that needs to be treated

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I agree with you 100% NatesMOM!!

I could not agree with you more.  I have spent the last 9 years trying to overcome the campaign of hatred by my ex.  She has sabotaged my relationship with my two children (18 & 16) to the point where I have no contact with them at all.  My son just sent me a contract to sign threatening me with emancipation and changing his name to remove me from his life.  The courts haven't helped either.  My ex was found guilty of contempt on two different occasions and yet nothing has changed.  No one will hold her accountable for her actions in a way that makes a difference.  Now the children are at an age where they declare their independence - they profess their rejection towards me is their own decision and their mom has exercised no influence.  If that is true, then why do the children despise their grandparents, their aunt and uncle, and their cousins...despite having relationships with them before.  Hatred by association

 

 

 
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October 4, 2008, 9:47 am PDT

My Husband's Ex Tried

My husband's ex-wife tried to do this to her children, but fortunately it didn't work.  We just kept showing them that we loved them (more importantly that HE loved them), he called them regularly, sent cards and gifts and did all he could over the years to make sure they knew.  He could have easily told them horrible things about their mother that they still don't know to this day - and it doesn't matter - because it was all in the past.  However, the older they got, the more she tried to allienate them from their father, telling them some things that he did do and some things he never did.

 

Today they are young adults and they realize a lot about the situation.  Two of the three have a very good relationship wtih their father now and their mother as well.  I think she has finally given up!

 

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October 4, 2008, 9:59 am PDT

Cant believe I saw this show

My children are almost all grown now but my ex husband has always made it impossible to be a part of my childrens lives.  One of the times that I had custody of them he told them to destroy my house and stress me out.  They obeyed his wishes and caused over $6000.00.  worth of damage to a house I was renting.  I am still trying to pay this off.  I believe this mans family has molested my children and he allows them to hang out with a known child molester who they refer to as there uncle.  My 17 year old daughter sits on this mans lap.  My story is so long and so unbelievable.  How can this ever be made right when do I get justice.  Nobody can give me my time back with my children.  I have so much to say.  Everyday this ways on my mind.  Even though my children are 21, 20, 18, and 17.  This man and his wife continue to talk bad about me to my children and tell them lies about me.

 
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October 4, 2008, 10:07 am PDT

Men are not the only victims

My ex husband and I when we divorced we got shared custody.  When I moved out of state I did what I thought was in the best interest for my son, and I gave his father primary care.   It now turns out that we are once again in the middle of a huge custody battle,and once again my poor 10 year old son is in the middle.  The reason I am taking him back to court because my ex decided that since I have in the past 7 years decided that I don't want him back, that he will make me pay through our son.  I feel so terrible for my son, his father is always belittling me and putting me down and my son just does not know how to react.  To everyone whom assumes it's about the money, you can shove it, because I only pay 100 dollars a month in child support, and that is illmeaneal to me.  I would give every last cent just to see my son happy.  Parental alienation syndrome does happen.  Perfect example I wanted to take my son to Florida this last summer with my new husband and my stepdaughter.  My ex-husband told me NOOO!  I asked him why he said because he has 4 days of school left (snow days that needed to be made up)  I explained to my ex that I had already spoke to the teacher and she said she would make sure his work was done before he left for vacation.  He said he did not care and that he was not going.  I ended up taking him to court and the court did enforce the order that my son would be allowed to go.  However his father absolutely was refusing his son and me the trip of a lifetime.  I believe people who say this dint happen are probably the people sitting at home right now belittling there ex's to there children as we speak.  That is why they don't believe it should be used in court.  This show really hit home for me!
 
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October 4, 2008, 10:10 am PDT

me too

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My daughter was kidnapped by my ex husband and put her against me since she was 5 years old. Now she is 30 and we still cannot hardly be in each other's company.  I have tried for years to make her love me and see me for the mother I was and am now. , to no avail.

 

Too Bad. 

 

 

My daughter is now 17 and hates me I try to contact her and tell her I love her but she just tells me I'm nothing to her.  I know I have made mistakes.  But the reason she does this is because along with her brothers she has been brain washed by her father.  My boys are older but the relationship with them is not good we have just lost so much time.  My oldest son who is hearing impaired doesnt act the same as my other children and we have a great relationship.  Probably because his father can not and has never had the ability to comunicate with him.  Nobody ever believes me.  I am now concerned because my oldest son and his girlfriend are expecting a baby.  My children as well as myself suffered sexual abuse by my husbands father oh sorry alegidly.  Now my son girlfriend tells me the same things that happened to me are happening to her.  I am worried about her and her unborn baby.  I wish someone could help sort out this mess and maybe I could finally have some peace in my life.
 
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October 4, 2008, 10:43 am PDT

need info

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I belong to a group called Men and Women Against Discrimination. (MAWAD) We had a law recently passed that held the custodial parent liable for false allegations. We are about a parent who can't see their child(ren) due to lies the other parent tells law enforcement, judges and magistrates to keep the child away.

My husband saw his one weekend since 06/05 until 12/07. In Dec. of last year, we got custody. But all of this has been going on since May 2001. False charges about the child being burnt, she done it. Bruises on the child, his arm and butt, done by his mother but who do you think she blamed? The father. I was accused of causing the son so much stress that she had to admit him to a mental hospital. I proved that she told the doctors what she wanted them to know without even talking to us to ask us what happenend that weekend. My husband was put in jail for felony child abuse. When the Pros. Atty told her if she found out she was lying and SHE was the one who caused the abuse, SHE would lose the child and go to jail and did she want to go thru with the charges. The mother dropped the charges after that. But we were out of 2500 lawyer fee.

I think a parent like her should go to jail to "learn a lesson" about filing all the false charges. She even told the child to say that the father molested him, that my son molested him and my father in law witnessed it all and done nothing. When it got down to the State Police and the Pros. Atty. getting involved, everybody realized the child "recited" the store verbatim to everybody who talked to him. (CPS, police, Kids Rights, Pros. Atty, and Guardian Ad Litem) To this day he will tell you his mom "told him to do it or go to foster care". You dont scare a child into doing what you want.

The child didnt ask to be born. The child didnt ask to be put in the middle. We just found out that the mother is not brainwashing the child into what to say when the new court date comes about. If this is brought up in court, I think the mother should lose visitation unless its supervised.

I would really like some more information about your group MAWAD. If you have a web site that would be great. Our situation is alittle differant because we are not being falsly accused just want some info for our custody battle. thank you very much my e mail is Ktrevathan@yahoo.com 
 
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October 4, 2008, 10:58 am PDT

It is hard to understand - but real

It seems that many of the posts have missed the point and are not familiar with or have never encountered true parental alienation.

 

Deadbeat parents are real, abusive spouses are real, parents with a money agenda are real, addicted parents and mentally ill parents exist…

AND aside from those examples, Parental Alienation is real.

 

My husband and I experienced his son’s mother completely alienate his son from him to be replaced by her new husband 10 years ago.  She was angry and hurt over the failed relationship with my husband and was not the most mentally healthy (she showed signs of some OCD and she was quite a “germofobe”) but we didn’t suspect that she was abusive and we were sure she and the step-father weren’t physically abusive.  In the end my husband’s 7-year-old son was so frightened of his dad/my husband that he once wet his pants while talking to my husband on the phone.  At the time we had never heard of parental alienation and my husband ended up giving up his parental rights to his son because he felt that his presence in his son’s life was causing his son too much stress and that if he was out of the picture his son would be able to live peacefully with his mom and “new” dad.  When my husband signed the papers to give up his rights, his ex’s attorney told him it was the most loving and self-sacrificing thing that he could do because the attorney knew their client was not going to stop her campaign to get my husband (and me I suppose) out of their son’s life – and do it at all costs and apparently with complete disregard to what she was doing to her son in the process.

 

Had we known then what we have learned now…

 

I have been learning about parental alienation more recently because my nephew is going through it now.  That is how I recognize what happened 10 years ago with poor Max.

 

I believe PA in its extreme form is fairly rare – but it is such a sick form of child abuse –– and it’s effects on children (even grown ones) is oh so real and devastating.

 

Children will eventually figure out a bad, abusive, alcoholic or unloving parent but it is not so easy for them to sort out what happens when one parent claims a need to “save” them from another parent that really isn’t doing anything but being a loving parent.  I think the “brain washing” is a breakdown of the child’s rational thinking and it becomes easier to go along with the obsessed alienating parent than stand up for the gentle loving parent.  But then, to complicate matters, the child may start to resent the alienated (loving) parent for not rescuing them from the alienating (sick) parent who is disrupting their lives with police, child protective services, attorneys, not allowing them to have both parents involved in school and sports (their lives), feeling the hatred, hearing the lies (kids know their parents are lying) and most of all enduring the methods those alienating parents use to manipulate kids’ alienation from the other parent.

 

In cases of mild alienation, it is hurtful, but kids can survive to figure it out.  In cases of moderate alienation kids suffer and may or may not go on to have normal lives but in those rare but real cases of severe parental alienation the kids are truly in danger of having their lives destroyed.

 

Parents need to remember that they go through a divorce but parents (both of them) ARE the kids lives.

 

If you are a parent engaging in mild or moderate PA please stop yourself.  If you know a parent that is using any form of alienation against the other parent please educate them and help them stop.  If you ever see a real case of severe Parental Alienation please do everything in your power to save the child(ren) – they truly need help.

 
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October 4, 2008, 11:58 am PDT

Shame on you, Dr. Phil

Dr Phil should be ashamed of himself for giving so-called fathers' rightsters a venue to spread their whiny and dishonest nonsense and misinformation!   PAS was originally fabricated as a legal defense of child molesters, by a psychiatrist who committed suicide in an especially gruesome manner, having been discredited as a pervert and a fraud:   http://cincinnatipas.com/dr-richardgardnerautopsy.html   The National Alliance for Family Court Justice has identified how and why PAS is the basis of a horrific corruption scheme that calls for systematizing the abuse or women and children via deliberate mishandling of abuse cases as custody disputes, while concealing a pro-abuser agenda as a matter of responsible fatherhood/shared parenting:   http://www.newsmakingnews.com/ross,familycourtcorrupt2nd2,19,03.htm   This is about a recent ruling from Australia, that debunks PAS:   http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23495760-2702,00.html   In 2003 a report from the American Prosecutors' Research Institute that concluded that "PAS is an unproven theory that can threaten the integrity of the criminal justice system and the safety of abused children. Prosecutors should educate themselves about PAS and be prepared to argue against its admission in court. In cases where PAS testimony is admitted, it is a prosecutor’s responsibility to educate the judge and jury about the shortfalls of this theory. As more criminal courts refuse to admit PAS evidence, more protection will be afforded to victims of sexual abuse in our court system." (See Part 2):   http://www.ndaa.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_6_2003.html
http://www.ndaa.org/publications/newsletters/update_volume_16_number_7_2003.html   Also, the Town of Fairfax, California has denounced use of PAS in Resolution 2466, passed and adopted in December 2006:   http://nafcj.net/fairfax.htm   By the way, for fathers' rights spinmeisters have been waging desperate campaigns trying to convince people that PAS does exist, so as to conceal their own deviant behavior, while trying to further a disgustingly perverted, misogynistic and "anti-feminist", agenda:   Click here: GlennSacks.com » Blog Archive » Activism Opportunity--Columnist Tells Readers Parental Alienation Is 'Junk Science   However, invariably they fail to mention that the person who coined the term PAS dedicated his career to legitimizing pedophilia and other sexual paraphilias, and many so-called men's rights leaders, e.g. the co-president of the National Organization for Men, hold some pretty "peculiar" views both about women's role in society and "family sex":   http://nafcj.net/taboo1977farrell.pdf
 

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October 4, 2008, 12:01 pm PDT

PAS is real!

My life is living proof. As so many of the other stories I've read on here, my ex husband is an alienator. It does not just happen to men, I wish that would have been stressed more on the show. Fathers are getting custody more and more often these days, and many non custodial moms are affected by PAS. My ex is so angry that I left him that he will do whatever it takes to keep me from seeing the children I once had a loving relationship with, even if it means hurting them. In 2006, he with held them from me 16 days. In 2007, he with held them 58 days. And so far in 2008 it has been more than 90 days of court ordered visitation denied. My children are 10, 7 and 6 years old. The courts do nothing, despite my numerous filings of contempt. I have been accused of all sorts of abuse and neglect, all because of his hatered for me and need to see me suffer, using the only weapon he can--our children. I can see why the man on the show ran off with his two kids. I'm glad it worked out for him. I filed for custody and our hearing is in November. My ex makes more money than me and seems to have the corrupt court system on his side. I only hope they can see what is really happening before my kids' lives are permanently damaged.
 
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October 4, 2008, 12:08 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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I belong to a group called Men and Women Against Discrimination. (MAWAD) We had a law recently passed that held the custodial parent liable for false allegations. We are about a parent who can't see their child(ren) due to lies the other parent tells law enforcement, judges and magistrates to keep the child away.

My husband saw his one weekend since 06/05 until 12/07. In Dec. of last year, we got custody. But all of this has been going on since May 2001. False charges about the child being burnt, she done it. Bruises on the child, his arm and butt, done by his mother but who do you think she blamed? The father. I was accused of causing the son so much stress that she had to admit him to a mental hospital. I proved that she told the doctors what she wanted them to know without even talking to us to ask us what happenend that weekend. My husband was put in jail for felony child abuse. When the Pros. Atty told her if she found out she was lying and SHE was the one who caused the abuse, SHE would lose the child and go to jail and did she want to go thru with the charges. The mother dropped the charges after that. But we were out of 2500 lawyer fee.

I think a parent like her should go to jail to "learn a lesson" about filing all the false charges. She even told the child to say that the father molested him, that my son molested him and my father in law witnessed it all and done nothing. When it got down to the State Police and the Pros. Atty. getting involved, everybody realized the child "recited" the store verbatim to everybody who talked to him. (CPS, police, Kids Rights, Pros. Atty, and Guardian Ad Litem) To this day he will tell you his mom "told him to do it or go to foster care". You dont scare a child into doing what you want.

The child didnt ask to be born. The child didnt ask to be put in the middle. We just found out that the mother is not brainwashing the child into what to say when the new court date comes about. If this is brought up in court, I think the mother should lose visitation unless its supervised.

How do I get more information about MAWAD?  As I'm a victim of false allegations I'm very interested in knowing more about it.  Please post more information.
 
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