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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 4, 2008, 12:15 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

Thank you, Dr. Phil.  This topic of PAS is incredibly important to so many.  My grandson was lied to by a foster woman so that he wouldn't want to be with his real family.  Now that we have him back he's telling us everything and it breaks our hearts.  She has psychologically devastated a 12 year old boy and he's slowly working his way through a maze of lies.

Please have more shows like this so that people understand.

 
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October 4, 2008, 12:23 pm PDT

Call it what you want, "Malicious Mother" or PAS

There are 3 children who are being used as instruments for vengeance by their primary custodial bio-mom. She (bio-mom ) has actually admitted in front of the children and their Father that she tried to alienate the children from their DAD and yet she CONTINUES THE ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!! This alienation is ongoing even after the oldest son ran away (1st time). At this point "MOM-ZILLA" straightened up and  promised to "DO what ever it takes for the children to have a relationship with their DAD" with at least the 2 sons as the oldest daughter has been successfully alienated. This was short lived, but a few calm months for the children and their DAD until yet another court case she invented did not end the way she wanted and sure enough as is her pattern when she does not get her way, she resumed the alienation and harassment. This abuse and harassment  comes from a woman that had an affair over the Internet and left her children and now "my husband" to go to FL for her rendezvous

This so called "good mom" called DHR after my husband suffered a heart attack that resulted in a 5 by-pass surgery. She presented  the case to DHR  that  insinuated my husband "Was nothing but a dead beat dad that needs to rot in jail" without explaining his health issues or his inability to work. She then DENIED VISITATION for 5 week s following his recovery. She actually called him 2 weeks after this surgery to tell him to "Get off his ass and go to work to support his children"!!! This is what he had to suffer after a life threatening event !!!! This is only one of MANY MANY MANY instances of "what ever you want to call it" PAS, Malicious Mother or just down right mean as hell !!!!!

My husband is a LOVING FATHER and does not need this stress  in his health condition and bio-mom knows it.

Bio-mom is sick and we ask for your prayers for her and the children she has abused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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October 4, 2008, 12:37 pm PDT

An Alienated Mom

Dads are not the only ones who are alienated against.  AND being a mom w/out your kids does NOT mean you are a druggie, loser, deadbeat, piece of crap, etc.!  When I divorced my husband (Mar 93) we agreed our son would stay w/ him and our daughter would come w/ me.  Shortly after that (May 94), I lost custody of our daugther to him b/c I was in an abusive relationship.  My children live(d) w/ their father in NY state and I reside in MI (450 miles apart).  I left NY after the divorce.  If I were only dealing w/ my ex, I don't think my relationship w/ my kids would be so estranged, but 8 yrs ago, he married wife #3 (I was #1).  Things were fine for a couple years, then trouble began and my kids and I have suffered b/c of it.

 

My son, who will be 21 in Dec, was kicked out shortly after starting his first year of community college b/c there was an altercation between him and stepmom.  When he told me this, I said, "wow, that stinks."  Stepmom called to say that what I should have said is "you shouldn't do things like that" and went on to tell me what a piece of crap I was.  My opinion never mattered before...why would anyone listen to me now?   Living on his own was more fun that going to classes, so he dropped out.  This was his first real tast of freedom.  He is working full-time, but it will be hard for him to go back to school while supporting himself.  His dad allowed him to stop visiting me at age 14.  Saving $ for a car was more important than visiting me three times a year (Feb, summer, T-giving or Christmas).  I try to reach out to him w/ cards/letters in the mail, but we are strangers.  The few times I have seen him over the past 7 yrs have been positive, but it still hurts not being a part of his life.

 

My daughter, who is 17 and a senior this year, still lives at home.  She has continued to visit, but our relationship is also strained.  The visitation order says she is to visit for 5 weeks in summer, but her boss (also stepmom) told her when she was 14 that if she took more than 2 weeks off, she would not have a job when she got home.  Her job - busgirl at a restaurant on Fri and Sat nights...IF needed.  Her motive to work has also been to save $ for a car....as most teenagers.  Before she started her freshman year, she told them she wanted to live w/ me.  They told her that if she decided she didn't like it once she was w/ me...she could NOT come back.  So...fear kept her in NY.  I have never been the parent to bribe or beg my kids to live w/ me.  I've always let them know my door was open and I am hear if they needed me.

 

The last 3-4 yrs have been really bad.  The only time I hear from my ex and his wife is to cuss me out for something I had nothing to do w/.  My daughter wasn't allowed to have a cell phone until she got a car.  Her brother gave her a pre-paid one a few yrs back and she hid it from them for 1.5 yrs.  B/c I knew about it, stepmom called and cussed me out.  She also  had a myspace account which I got blamed for.  They also do not give her computer priviledges, which she also does behind their back.  It scares me to know that she is being taught to sneak in order to do what most teenagers are doing. 

 

When I call their house to talk to her, one of 3 things happens:  the call gets connected to the fax machine so I can't leave a message, I get hung up on, or the phone just rings.  I explained to my daughter that it's just best that she call me when she can talk b/c it's upsetting to me to be treated this way.  I know she's in the middle.  We have minimal contact when she's in NY.  I am looking fwd to the day when she is out of their house and making her own decisions. 

 

I used to accept calls from the ex and stepmom and let them engage me in an argument.  I don't do this anymore.  I let their calls go to voicemail and let someone else listen to the message.  I don't need to hear them put me down or tell me what a lousy person I am.  Stepmom decided to start sending text messages to put me down, so I blocked them.  She has went as far to say that SHE is their mom b/c she raised them and just b/c I gave birth does not make me their mom.  When my daughter is w/ me, she will call and ask to speak to HER daughter. 

 

I've learned I can't control what they do or say, but I can control how I react.  I do not let them push my buttons anymore.  I do not care what they think of me.  My only concern is that my children were happy, healthy and loved.  I made mistakes that have affected me and my children.  I will probably never get over not being a part of their lives while growing up...but I did stop punishing myself so I could have a somewhat happy life.  There are two holes in my heart that only heal when my kids are w/ me.  I feel bad that they may never know how loving, caring, considerate, funny, generous and wonderful I really am.   I keep praying things may change as they become young adults.  I am hoping it's not too late.

 
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October 4, 2008, 12:38 pm PDT

Woman Lawyer is very upsetting

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I didn't discover that my daughter had been subjected to hypnotic sessions by my ex-husband and his wife until she was leaving for college. He had refused to let me take her out of the country on an assignment unless I agreed to her staying a year with them. She came back distant toward me - but I put that down to typical teenage behavior - as did everyone around us. It wasn't until she was leaving for college that she mentioned the hypnotic sessions. She has refused ever to discuss them - and has remained extremely cold toward me - barely contacts me, etc..

I know I was a good mother. And I always wanted her to have a healthy relationship with her father - but my trust in him was betrayed. It resulted in my loosing my daughter. The sad moral of this story is - don't trust in the goodness of ex-spouses - or their new partners.

Dr Phil,

The woman lawyer on your show upset me so much I am unable to get her out of my mind.

I hope someone gets to her one day and puts her out of business of ruining peoples lives.

She has this evil smile that only a law book can give her.

Please don't ever.. ever have her on your show again or I will stop watching it because it brings back bad memories of the woman lawyer that handled my case with my exhusband and son.

So upset in California about this lawyer babbling witch.

 
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October 4, 2008, 1:55 pm PDT

I LOVE MY SONS WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE IN ME

I am a victim of MMS & PAS I am a loving father of two. I have been fighting for 6yrs to be a part of my childrens lives. I've had 4yrs with my first son and only 6months with my second.I never had a father growing up & I do not want my children to feel the emptyness I had to not knowing your father! I want to fight this! the courts have be EXTREMELY One sided and crushed me finacially so I can't afford legal defense or even a place to live. if it wasn't for friends I would have died by now.I survive off of meals from friends and 80 a week from my full time job. (NYS childsupport takes 65%) I am being forced to pay 2700 a month. I am injuried and the only schooling I have is a GED. but the courts feel I have the abillity to make 42K a yr. when I never had made that in my life. 8k was this last years tax return and 65% of that went to her. I have not spoken to my boys in over 1&1/2 yrs I call and she fights and name calls with me, or tells me they are outside playing or going to bed. I know she is telling them bad things about me from the comments they have made when we used to talk. She knows I would never talk in a negative manner to my children and uses that as a tool to manipulate.
 
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October 4, 2008, 2:15 pm PDT

I LOVE MY SONS

I have not held my youngest in 4yrs he's 6 now.I'm so worried what that is going to do to him as an adult ev en worst as a teenager when he gets angry. PLEASE HELP my oldest is 9 ans the last time I talked to him he said he didn't want to talk to me cause I mad his mommy mad. What do you say to your son that you love when you know he is being manipulated by his mother?  Help me fight this. I grew up without a father, he did not want to be my father. I WANT TO BE A GOOD FATHER TO MY CHILDREN. I have no hatred in me, just concern for my boys mental status and upbringing  
 
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October 4, 2008, 2:21 pm PDT

Help is available for targeted parents

I have read many of the posts from parents who connect with the experience of Ken on this show and I wanted to make sure that all targeted parents know that there is help out there. You are not alone. There are many websites devoted to this issue, support groups in many parts of the country, internet chat groups, and even some 'how to respond' materials. Please visit my or any of the other good PAS related websites to get some support, assistance, and advice today. My heart goes out to anyone dealing with this.

Amy J.L. Baker, Ph.D.

 
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October 4, 2008, 2:26 pm PDT

What would you do ?

I left my husband over 33 years ago. At the time my son was under 3 years old. My husband was a gambler and physicially abusive. I took my son and ran, and ran, and ran. I moved from place to place so my baby and I would be safe.  After many years my divorce was granted. I took back my maiden name and legially changed my sons last name to my maiden name. My husband was not granted visitation due to his violence actions. He never hurt my son, only me. I ran because I thought that one day perhaps he would harm my son. I'd rather die then have him harm my son.

What would you have done?  Keep in mind that with was int he early 1970's. Things were so different back then. The abusinve husband was just removed from the home and taken for a ride aroudn the block to "cool off. I was always afraid to have him arrested due to the beating I would endure because of my actions of having him arrested.  I only had him arrested once.

I am asking this now because in the last 4 months my sons father has contacted my son. This is between my son and my ex. I am told by my son "this is not about you". I agree but wonder if I should sit down with my son and let him know of the abuse. This is a topic that I have kept inside me for over 33 years and the emotions were  hidden for so long. For some time after my son told me his birth father was around I was on the edge just waiing for my ex to come barging thru my door and kill me. I am better now. but the thought is still in the back of my mind.

The relationship my son and I have is wonderful. he is a fantastic man. He is now married with a family of his own. His wife is also a wonderful person. She is respectful enough to know that this is a topic  between my son and I.

Would you have done the same? Take your child and run to keep him safe?

Thank you for reading and I DO look forward to your reply. I need help with this topic and it is eating me away. I am in counceling at the moment but I feel that I need some interactions via email with someone who can relate to my situation.

As I watched the show yesterday on Brainwashing I wondered if I silently fit into this catogory. I think not. I did this for the safety of my son and I never said one negitive word about his birth father. In fact his BF was a taboo subject. It just was never spoken about.

Please help me on this.

 

 
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October 4, 2008, 2:35 pm PDT

Yes!! It's Real!!

I served as Guardian ad Litem in custody cases (not to be confused with CASA/Child advocates) in my state. I worked about 4 cases and found that this was not my way of making a living. I was sickened by what I experienced. Children were used as pawns and prodded along by lawyers. Guardians were appointed via rotation or a person was appointed by agreement of the Lawyers. Many Guardians worked for certain Lawyers that knew they would make a recommendation concerning custody in their clients favor and they would get more appointments. I was intimidated, manipulated and offered more appointments. The idea was great but, it was corrupt.

 

In one of my cases that lasted 2 years the child was in a tug of war. I had attempted to get the parents to agree to joint custody.  No way, the father up until this time had little time for his son, suddenly wanted him very much and wanted full custody. Mom did her share of pulling but, nothing like the dad. The 10 year old child was a very smart child and mature for his years (unlike the parents). The dad had a license plate that read Mr. MOM. Finally the child told me that he did not like that because he had a Mom and loved her. The Lawyers in the case really did not help the situation. Why should they, the longer they could delay or keep the case going the more money they would make. Finally, after 2 years, and over $40 thousand dollars each, they agreed to joint custody of the child.  I did not give all the petty details in this case but, many of you have told this story on the message board already.

 

I was so frustrated with the show and it seemed that Dr. Phil was also. Both of his guests had their own agendas and were not going to get into any other dialog. I hope you will never invite either of them again. I loved it, when you were tieing everything up and told them you were not interested in what they thought (or other words).  I loved the expressions on their faces.....

 

As you can tell by the message boards this is a real problem and I hope it will be addressed again.  I am still unsure about a diagnosis.

 

 

 

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October 4, 2008, 2:46 pm PDT

Simple and brief

Hi Dr. Phil,

 

I just wanted to share a quote from a Pyschologyst who worked on the case with my daughter.  In her report to the judge she wrote:

 

"When asked if she thinks what her mother wants is that she doesn't see her dad, she agreed."

 

This is a direct quote from the report submitted to the judge where the pyschologyst asked my daughter a question on the situation.

 

Can't get much clearer than that.  Yet the court did nothing and all they can say is "In the best interest of the child...."

 

Thank you for covering this issue.  Please keep it in front of your audiances so people know PAS exists!

 

If you are interested in my thoughts on solutions, please let me know.

 

Sincerely,

Bruce

 
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