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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 4, 2008, 3:00 pm PDT

I am there

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I want to send a message to all of you parents out there that think you're doing the right thing for your child/ren by supporting their "decision" to cut out the non-custodial parent out of their lives, whether they are paying child support or not. 

 

Think about this: If you are in any way, shape or form exaggerating, manipulating, telling white lies, twisting the truth, fabricating events, justifying and/or rationalizing, in order to influence your child/ren's love and opinions of their other parent, YOU ARE COMITTING PARENTAL ALIENATION!  It's that simple and THAT'S CHILD ABUSE! 

 

Children are much more forgiving than us adults and I'm not saying that where there is REAL abuse going on it should be ignored.  Those of you who are truly dealing with abuse know who you are.  This message is not for you.  Its for the rest of you, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!  "If you know in your heart that you are doing and saying things that are inaccurate because you really would rather not have to deal with your ex for whatever reason, then you are being selfish and you are robbing your child/ren of their right to love, forgive AND be loved by both their parents. 

 

Natesmom4ever

 

My daughter and I last saw each other before mother's day so I could take her out and get a gift for her to give her mom. I also bought her gifts for her (my daughter's)birthday. After that she decided as her mother has said (I have ask to, but have not been allowed to, talk to her) she wanted no contact with me.

 

 I have tried txt msgs and cell phone calls and Letters, birthday, Christmas cards, Calls to the house. All have been ignored. I have NEVER been late for child support yet my ex makes more than me, Has the house all bought and paid for, and recieves half my Disability pension!! Yet I can not even speak with her.

 

I have recieved one text msg in nearly 2 years from her phone saying her mother has not had any influence on her decision she just never wants to see or hear from me again.

 

Her Mom works at what was her Middle School, the one she went to while we were going through the divorce. I have only recieved a couple of school report cards in the mail and nothing else.

 

I am at wits end and have stopped all correspondence to give my daughter what she says she "needs". I have moved on in my life and am getting married again. Call me crazy but I am in "mad" love with this girl. I just wish my daughter cared enough. I think my ex is influencing her. Any help with my sanity? I cant afford a lawyer. I lost all my money in the divorce.

 
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October 4, 2008, 3:08 pm PDT

PAS does exist

I really do not care if it has a name or not. I am hear to tell you that parents can and do encourage a child to hate another parent in custody cases. Not all custody cases but yes it happens.

 

It is abuse and that is what the courts  and judges need to realize and to stop this abuse.


 
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October 4, 2008, 3:21 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

Dear Dr Phil,

 

I felt so compelled to respnd to this show becuase it is a topic very serious to my husband and I. His son has been alienated from him starting many years ago before we were even married, in 2002. It's been a very painful procees to see happen and Iwe have prayed that the time would eventually come when it wouldn't hurt so much because it the monthly support reminders and missing out on the milestones would no longer be such issues to contend with. Since their divorce back in 1994, she has excluded him from his sonsactivities, scheduled visitation, and began having his son call his step dad, "daddo". Then came registering him in school under with her current husbands last namd and not listing his fathers name or contact info anywhere.. The big blow came when he was 11 years old when she infomed us that they wer moving out of state to Las Vegas, giving us 2 weeks notice, (which is a violation of the law). We hired an attotrney to fight for parental rights and she had a very rigid plan for my husband to see his son with us paying all travel expenses and increased child support as well. This was even though we had not had any change of income since the last chld support revision. We lost any custody issue and her relocation was granted with us to have the sumer month custody. During that month, she sabotaged us with multitudes of cellphone calls and many daily letters to his son. He would become withdrawn and angry following them. He shared all of our household informaion with her and during a court awarder three day visitation, she took him to her attorney to draw up a phony document. In the document, he claimed, abuse, drug use, neglect, claims that we were discussing our "open marriage" with him, etc... A guardian Ad litem sat down with the mother and child and determined that his mother was sharing adult legal matters with him that were innappropriate and that she was discussing his father in negative ways, also telling him it was OK for him to show his father disrespect and that he did not haveto listen to me or resect me at all. The disruption was so bad in our home, that we allowed him to return to Las Vegas with his mother. Many times we tried to get him to visit us in Washington, but his mother made other plans and interfered with our schedule. Luke would refuse to come out, even for nice vacations. We were informed 2 days prir to there move to Texas and only 3 months later that Luke would graduate a year behind in high school because his mother elected to move before having him finish the last 3 weeks of the Las Vegas semesteras trhe Texas counselor had suggested PRIOR to the move. At no time was his father ever involved in a decision regarding this plan, only in the decision to pay that extra year od child support. During that last year, Luke struggled to make it to classes and many not on time. He had 66 unexcused class absenses, was failing 4 classes at the time his mother brought forth a legal suit to seek post secondary support for us to pay college education. I'd also like to note that Luke has also been caught cheating on his spanish tests 3 times. He was only able to bring up his scores ebough to pass because the school made special provisions that colleges do not. The court did not even thouroughly review these documents or evidence. The support was awared to be paid 1/3 by the father, child, and mother. WE were just notified ( Sept 27th) that Luke was enrolled in community college the beginning of August and also a lease was signed for him to live 3 blocks from campus. His mother submitted a partial lease agreement that we found to be incomplete, showing rent of $800/month for Luke as the only resident. It was determined after some calls that Luke is splitting the rent of $675 with his cousin. His mother and he are trying to fraud us into paying more than what is ordered by the court. I also determined today that she enrolled him as out of district prior to Aug 18th. If a student can show that they are licing in district, which is where his current apartment is, by August 25th, they will then qualify as in district, which reduces the tuition by $1100 per semester, whcih is significant. She has sent us notice that he is registered as out of district but we have great reason tobelieve that she has changed this and only wants to gouge us for further money. Originally, she had asked the court to order us pay 82% of universiy rates even though he would never quailify to enter a university. We are on a very budgeted middle class income and have another child living at home attnding community collge that must work and utilize college loans. We assist as much as we can but are not rich. It just never seems like this woman will let go of causing pain to our family. She has already taken his son away, but that is not enough. Sometimes, especially lokking at the fraud she is willing to commit in this issue, what she would be willing to do once the support ends for good! Its been such a stress on our marriag and I know that is what she would untimately love to see, is the end of our marriage. That's not gonna happen, but Laws in this country need to change to protect these children and parents. My husban has tuly been a victim in this. He will never profess to be perfect. He's not gonna win father of the year, but he is a great step fatherand my children have awesome elationships with their father which he promotes with all his heart. Until the courts recognizeand listen, changes won't happen. Even the gusrdian ad litem made interesting coments that the judge didn't even address whatsoever! The judge aslo felt extra-curricular activities should take presidence over the fathers parental time. Hows that for promoting equal parenting? Simply sad. Parental alienation and abuse in this arena exists and is being ignored. This will come back to bite our system in the future, as these things that are ignore always seem to do!

 

Correen Jones

 

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October 4, 2008, 3:21 pm PDT

Excellent advise

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Find out how the system works, and you'll see it's broken. It's all out there, compliments of your tax dollars.

Read up on Title 4D Funding. Find out how Billions of your tax dollars are spent.

Find out who your local Family Court Judges are, and find out how they got their jobs. How many are former state employees that have a gifted position. Look into their backgrounds.

You may be shocked by what you find.

Thank you Ted!

 

Mel

 
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October 4, 2008, 3:27 pm PDT

PAS Is REAL and DANGEROUS!

I don't know where Ms Kates gets her info from, but clearly she is either in denial or is just not the best "family law" practitioner. For Ms Kates to sit there and state that parents do not take advantage of their children's love by manipulating the child against another parent is outrageous! This has a devastating affect on the child as he/she grows to adulthood. I have seen this happen with friends and know the consequences. I pray that Ms Kates will have an awakening soon!
 
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October 4, 2008, 3:43 pm PDT

How much do think the use of "bio-mom" plays into the childrens reactions

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There are 3 children who are being used as instruments for vengeance by their primary custodial bio-mom. She (bio-mom ) has actually admitted in front of the children and their Father that she tried to alienate the children from their DAD and yet she CONTINUES THE ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!! This alienation is ongoing even after the oldest son ran away (1st time). At this point "MOM-ZILLA" straightened up and  promised to "DO what ever it takes for the children to have a relationship with their DAD" with at least the 2 sons as the oldest daughter has been successfully alienated. This was short lived, but a few calm months for the children and their DAD until yet another court case she invented did not end the way she wanted and sure enough as is her pattern when she does not get her way, she resumed the alienation and harassment. This abuse and harassment  comes from a woman that had an affair over the Internet and left her children and now "my husband" to go to FL for her rendezvous

This so called "good mom" called DHR after my husband suffered a heart attack that resulted in a 5 by-pass surgery. She presented  the case to DHR  that  insinuated my husband "Was nothing but a dead beat dad that needs to rot in jail" without explaining his health issues or his inability to work. She then DENIED VISITATION for 5 week s following his recovery. She actually called him 2 weeks after this surgery to tell him to "Get off his ass and go to work to support his children"!!! This is what he had to suffer after a life threatening event !!!! This is only one of MANY MANY MANY instances of "what ever you want to call it" PAS, Malicious Mother or just down right mean as hell !!!!!

My husband is a LOVING FATHER and does not need this stress  in his health condition and bio-mom knows it.

Bio-mom is sick and we ask for your prayers for her and the children she has abused.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We need to remember that the needs of the children should be placed first.  How much do think hearing the references of negativity toward one parent or the other by the "parents" or "step-parents".  This woman is the children's mother and should not be referenced as "bio-mom", she is there mother until her rights are terminated and should be addressed as such.  The anger that is placed in so many of these postings has me questioning, how much spills over into the children's world and how does this effect the relationship.  What one may determine as alienation may also be part and parcel to one's direct reaction to the other parent. 

 

The gentleman who was on the show that was claiming PAS, if he could go on a widely seen television show and address her as "evil", would he also state this either under his breath or within earshot of his children?  How possible is it with his publicized opinion would in fact hurt his relationship with his children?  Dr. Phil in fact questioned the man's opinion of his ex-wife. 

 

As I have stated in (2) prior postings, I have been wrapped up in the PAS maze and accusations for over 4 years, with my children being removed from our home and placed with my ex husband whom has a history of sexual abuse and had been placed on the sex offender list in Colorado.  The system can and will be manipulated, I have seen this first hand how it becomes an avalanche that definitely does not benefit the children at all.  My son's autistic behaviors were used as a cause to remove my children,  as one poster stated whom also worked as a guardian ad-litem, many professional opinions can, have and will continue to be bought in order to produce a case.

 

In the past almost (2) years, with 1 3/4 year being supervised, I have faithfully visited with my children never missing a visit or phone call.  My children will one day when they are grown that I have never given up for the truth and justice for our family.  Their baby sister who is 2 1/2 whom is not a child by my ex-husband, does not even realize that T, A and E are her siblings.  T, A and E have missed seeing their sister grow up, missed her birthdays, sad story for siblings.  And yet, these children have no idea why they are not able to see me anymore, no one within the system has provided an answer or explaination to them.  Explain the benefit and "best interest" of the children.  Mine is just one of thousands out there, however, according to our newly court appointed PC, he has never seen a parent in Colorado as severly punished as myself, without proof only theory.

 
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October 4, 2008, 4:01 pm PDT

a good parent keeps their child safe

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I left my husband over 33 years ago. At the time my son was under 3 years old. My husband was a gambler and physicially abusive. I took my son and ran, and ran, and ran. I moved from place to place so my baby and I would be safe.  After many years my divorce was granted. I took back my maiden name and legially changed my sons last name to my maiden name. My husband was not granted visitation due to his violence actions. He never hurt my son, only me. I ran because I thought that one day perhaps he would harm my son. I'd rather die then have him harm my son.

What would you have done?  Keep in mind that with was int he early 1970's. Things were so different back then. The abusinve husband was just removed from the home and taken for a ride aroudn the block to "cool off. I was always afraid to have him arrested due to the beating I would endure because of my actions of having him arrested.  I only had him arrested once.

I am asking this now because in the last 4 months my sons father has contacted my son. This is between my son and my ex. I am told by my son "this is not about you". I agree but wonder if I should sit down with my son and let him know of the abuse. This is a topic that I have kept inside me for over 33 years and the emotions were  hidden for so long. For some time after my son told me his birth father was around I was on the edge just waiing for my ex to come barging thru my door and kill me. I am better now. but the thought is still in the back of my mind.

The relationship my son and I have is wonderful. he is a fantastic man. He is now married with a family of his own. His wife is also a wonderful person. She is respectful enough to know that this is a topic  between my son and I.

Would you have done the same? Take your child and run to keep him safe?

Thank you for reading and I DO look forward to your reply. I need help with this topic and it is eating me away. I am in counceling at the moment but I feel that I need some interactions via email with someone who can relate to my situation.

As I watched the show yesterday on Brainwashing I wondered if I silently fit into this catogory. I think not. I did this for the safety of my son and I never said one negitive word about his birth father. In fact his BF was a taboo subject. It just was never spoken about.

Please help me on this.

 

I think what you did was great. I was in a simular position as you, but my children who were8 and 4 our youngest being disabled were molested while in the care of their father and his young girlfriend. They would put them in this room with this monster and were sexually molested over and over again. My oldest tried to tell her dad what was happening and he told her to go away. You got the chance to leave before your child was hurt. My husband and I, along with our childrens doctors and pshc decided to move out of state to get away from all of the stress, so our daughters could heal. I know we made the right decision,it has been 3 years since we left. Even though I do blame him for being neghlectful to our children, I do not talk bad about him to our children. But he hasnt had any contact with them in over 1 year now. His siters just started emailing us, wanting something to do with them, but they had bad mouthed me and my husband saying took the girls out of their lives and they will hate me when they are older. I do not believe this noncense that fly s out of their mouths and have chosen to take the high road and not say anything back. It will take a long time for my girls to heal,and has been hard on all of us. I find myself thinking I should have known what was going on, and I should have protected my children better. Leaving the state to get away from them was the best thing we ever did. We are just trying to heal now,you are a great mother for protecting your child so something like this couldnt happen to him.

 
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October 4, 2008, 4:07 pm PDT

So True...

I had a child at 18 and single. I then married once my son was 10 to a man with 2 other children. I have also been a product of a divorce family. I believe that every child should see the other parent, however it is so true that there is usually ONE parent that is pist and does brainwash the kids. My dad did it to me and still does to this day. MY mother she does not. So what I am trying to get across I have seen this growing up. I am now 37 and have been married now for 7.5 years. I have had to now experience my husbands ex partner (not wife) dealing with his kids. Now I beleive that every child should see the other parent. So going into this relationship I thought that it would NEVER be so hard to be able to see my husbands 2 kids. It has been a battle from day one. It got so hard as far as for the KIDS that myself and my husband took ourselves out of the picture for 3 years just so the KIDS could get a piece of mind. The KIDS were torn between liking us and then going home to their mother and getting the third degree. The KIDS can only take so much. So if ONLY the MOM would just grow up and get over being pist our children could enjoy both sides of the family. To be able to visit with their brother and sister and just be normal.   I so AGREE with brainwashing parents they do it ALL THE TIME.   
 

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October 4, 2008, 5:03 pm PDT

The real solution to these issues

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Statistics are good. But do you have any idea on how to transform statistics in to law?

How do you convince a legislator those statistics mean lost productivity, loss of family structure, higher health costs etc.?
Joint physical custody should be automatic when there are 2 fit parents.  We are not divorcing our chilren, but for some reason the court system wants to make our children and the non-custodial parent a slave to their system, by extorting them into paying child support, so they can increase the states financial incentives from the federal government.  Anytime you have created a custodial parent and a non-custodial parent you have minimized one parent and maximized the other parent.  This automatically creates a PAS environment.  A child needs both parents, not a parent and someone they visit.  The child should have the right to know both sides of themsleves equally.  It is the childs god given right.
 
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October 4, 2008, 5:17 pm PDT

I am diappointed

My ex husband left me eight years ago.  He has taking me to court 4 times since.   We have joint physical custody but on the top of the original court documents it said I was primary residential parent.  He couldn't see straight after seeing those words.   I believe as Dr. Phil does that each parent has equal rights with the child.  Each parent has the right no know their child and be a parent to the child.   My ex does not believe that way.  He has harassed me, our son, counselors,my current husband, schools and family members ever since he chose to walk out the door.  He stalked me, threatened to kill me in the presents of a counselor when our son was present, he has harassed me through the court process and by mail and phone calls.   He has taught our son before he even moved out that his mother (me) was stupid, incompetent, ignorant and psycho.  He has enforced these points now for over 8 years, the formable years of our sons life.  He has taught our son that I steal his stuff, give him no privacy, run off his friends, tell his business, take his father to court over and over wasting money on lawyers instead of him, and that I must earn his respect and that I do not deserve it otherwise. He has discussed in depth for years the court proceedings and parenting plan. He has spent countless hours trying to figure out how to hold me in contempt of court and get full custody.   He has told our son that he lives with him, his address is the sons address, he has directed schools to remove all emergency contacts except for him or I.  He has totally brainwashed our son into paranoid behavior against me, teachers, local authorities, and any type of authority in general.   Our son refuses to give me any gifts for mothers day or birthday for the past four years.  You can actually see him pull back out of any meaningful conversation if he finds himself going there with me.  My son is 100% the victim here.  My ex has destroyed his own son in revenge to what?  In my hardest darkest hours I wanted so bad to get in front of Dr Phil so he could straighten this mess out.  After today's show, I am disappointed.  I do not believe Dr Phil understands how rampant this is, and how destructive parent alienation has become.   As soon as I heard Baldwin call his daughter a selfish pig, I knew this would come to attention.  Alec is my hero and I know EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS GOING THROUGH. I know the pain, the meltdown, the panic, the stab wound to the heart, the incomprehension of it all.   The only difference is  our son was in my home treating me that way for years.  Nothing and I mean nothing would get through to him and change his way of what his father has taught him for YEARS. Boys look to their father, especially someone so convincing as my ex. Poor pitiful me sucks in children every time.     It is short sighted to only blame woman on this issue.  It could be either parent so easily.  I believe fathers rights have come a long way .  I really thing gender should be removed from the topic.   I have been pushed into a corner on the matter, and the courts just see it as "us" not getting along.  I do not fight,  I do not withhold the child from him, I do not talk about adult issues with my child, I do not talk bad about the father to the child, etc  But all my ex had to do in court was say that I did first and the rest turned into a he/she and NOTHING gets accomplished.  (Just like Alec says).  All I ask Dr Phil is do this show over and do a better job.  Get a couple with two sides.  I bet that guy was 100% on target but you didnt' give him credit just on his word.  BTW tell that man to FIGHT for his rights as a parent.
 
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