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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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October 4, 2008, 5:40 pm PDT

10/03 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

I appreciate the publicity that Dr. Phil has given to this issue, syndrome or what ever you want to call it.  I think it is very evident from the other postings that this problem is widespread and it happens to both men and women.  However, another show or maybe several shows are needed to discuss the underlying reason for parent alienation and how to solve the problem.  We need to discuss and explore the fact that there needs to be a presumption of joint shared custody of children for fit parents.  This would go along way to dramatically reducing parental alienation and a lot of other issues facing children and society as evidenced by the statistics posted.

 
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October 4, 2008, 6:04 pm PDT

Divorce only hurts children

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 just wanted to let you know that brainwashing children does really work.  My Ex talked my daughter 11 at the time to come and live with him and his new wife.  She did and now she told me that he always said I lied and did not love her and did not care about her and he kept her from seeing me he told her that I never called but I called all the time, when I would they told me she was never there so I never got to see her for about 2 years and there was nothing I could do about it.  My son stayed living with me and would see his father when he wanted but was not often because he said at the time that (dad always said bad things about me)  He did not like that his dad did that and chose to just stay with me and not visit him.  My daughter ran away from her dad's house when she turned 16 and that is when all the bad stuff that they did to her has come out the Ex's wife would make my daughter clean and cook for them and basically made her a slave and would treat her like crap.  Now she is 21 and hates her dad as after she left he tried for about 6 months to contact her and then just quit calling or anything it was like he did not care at all.  The whole time he never tried calling my son at all either,  that really hurt him.  My son was killed in an accident this June and it was awful thing and the father did not really care he asked what he could do and I said why would you care now as he never talked to the two children in over 2 years, I asked him for money for the funeral and he did not even give me a cent, said to me "to bad that is your problem".  I guess that some men should not be fathers at all because all it came down to him all this time he never cared about his kids he just cared that he did not have to pay child support if my daughter stayed with him.  It has always been that way, and because of his crappy stuff he did to his daughter growing up with him she now hates life and uses drugs to numb the pain of how much her dad hurt her,  I just pray that one day she will find peace in her life and not have to turn to drugs to numb life.  it is awful how divorce can hurt the children so much.

 
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October 4, 2008, 6:11 pm PDT

NANCM

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Why do you say this about them?

 

This group is actually a well oiled father's rights group run by a woman.  They are only interested in hearing that a "parent" is being denied the right to see their child.  When PAS is shown to be what it truly is and that is a tool mainly used by abusers in order to gain control over a victim, then we will all be better off.
 
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October 4, 2008, 6:17 pm PDT

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Thank you DrPhil for giving this serious issue the attention it deserves.  For so many people including myself I have watched the destruction parental aliention and parental alienation syndrome can cause a family.  My ex, who is the father of our son,  has gone through this nightmare for 12yrs with his daughter and his ex wife.  They have been divorced for over 10yrs and constantly his ex wife is trying to break apart his relationship he has with his daughter.  These people brainwashing their kids think they are hurting their ex's (yes it hurts them deeply) but they never stop to realize they are abusing their own kids.  My heart goes out to anyone that has to deal with PA/PAS.  Spread the awareness...PA/PAS=abuse!!
There is no such thing as PAS!!!!  This syndrome is NOT in the DSMIV, and the APA has not confirmed it as a true psychiatric syndrome.  In fact the man who coined the phrase was a pro-pedophilic supporter.  Some of the bigger names out there touting PAS (Dean Tong - arrested twice for domestic violence and abuse), Darren Mack (killed his wife and thried to do the same to the judge), Alec Baldwin (thoughtless little pig ring a bell?), Charlie Sheen (daddy dearest drunk), David Hasselhoff.  This list could go on ad infinitum.  Oh and to show the true colors of some of the guests on this show, Mel Feit has right on his main page a sex contract.  This is supposedly to ensure that a woman cannot change her mind halfway through the act so she cannot press charges against a rapist.  If anyone says no, NO MEANS NO!!!!  I am very concerned when a group has beliefs such as this and advertise it right on their main page.  The bs about men not being able to stop in the middle is just that - BS!!!!  If you look at Liz's website you will see her for what she is - a supporter of the abused woman fighting an uphill battle against her abuser who uses fake psych diagnosis in order to continue his control over her.
 
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October 4, 2008, 6:28 pm PDT

I for one will not debate you

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There are those lunatics and anti-male misandrists who claim that parental alienation is "junk science" because it is not a diagnosis in the DSM manuals, especially those from radical women's groups.  Obviously they are not credible experts on the subject.  If parental alienation and PAS is "junk science", then we have to include "battered women's sydrome" as junk science because it fails to include "battered men's syndrome".  According to many statistical studies and government reports, battered men comprise over 40% of all domestic violence victims.  In NJ, homicides by domestic violence show that 1/3 of domestic violence homicides in 2006 (42) were men (14). First, this doesn't constitute an "epidemic" that the domestic violence industry would have everyone believe, especially since these figures comport with every other state.  Forty-two homicides as a result of domestic violence vs. 9 Million residents in NJ does not make an "epidemic".  It accounts for .0006 percent of the population--a statistical insignificance.  Yes, homicide is not insignificant, but statistically, in this case, it is.

 

Tourette's Syndrome was not considered a diagnosis for almost 100 years.  Would it be considered "junk science"?  How about fibromyalgia, which many in the medical and mental health community were dismissing in the past, but are now coming around to its reality.  Parental alienation and PTSD is like Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and inflicted emotional distress.  It is real, even though it may be in a separate category than returning war veterans suffering PTSD.   One could consider it a form of PTSD caused by the court system that is anti-male.  It could be construed as "battered legal victim syndrome".

 

I suffered PA and PAS caused by my ex-wife's false accusation of domestic violence (which in West Virginia court studies on false allegations has declared that over 80 percent of DV accusations are false), which I found out she was advised by her attorney to file, and caused my children to be alienated from me.   I haven't spoken to my twin daughters (now 26) in over 14 year as a result of my bi-polar disordered ex-wife who has had 3 husbands.  Her recent boyfriend moved into her house 2 weeks after her 3rd husband died--kind of suspicious, don't you think?

 

If anyone would like to debate me on this subject, I would gladly put them in their place.

The last time I tried to debate someone such as you this is what I had to read:

 

Sheesh, give it a break and log off. Give some **** next time and you might be able to keep a man!

 

Link to website where this occured:

http://www.parade.com/opencms/nocms/viewCommentList?contentPath=/articles/editions/2008/edition_07-06-2008/Intelligence_Report&pageNumber=18

 

These men (and women) were trying to verify the validity of PAS/PA and show how joint custody is best.  There are many studies which show in conflicted marriages/divorces taht joint is NOT best.  Please take a look at Liz Kates' site (she was the lawyer on this show).  Read through her WHOLE site.  You will see where these men come from and what their beliefs are.  Liz has spenbt countless hours collecting this info to present it to the public.  This is not made up info.  She has the emails, IP addies and more cooroborating info to back up all her claims.  And as far as studies are concerned, I could find one that will show only 2% of all sex abuse claims are false, and the rest are founded or unfounded.  Just because a charge does not result in jail tiem does not mean it is false.  My ex has this same problem.  If we were to have a trial today with all of the witnesses available who had eveidence of abuse, he would be in jail right now.  This does not mean that I falsely charged him although he would say that.

 

So in answer to your question, I will not debate you because I refuse to be subjected to the abuse I was subjected to at the parade website.

 
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October 4, 2008, 6:42 pm PDT

You should really go check out her site

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Dr Phil,

The woman lawyer on your show upset me so much I am unable to get her out of my mind.

I hope someone gets to her one day and puts her out of business of ruining peoples lives.

She has this evil smile that only a law book can give her.

Please don't ever.. ever have her on your show again or I will stop watching it because it brings back bad memories of the woman lawyer that handled my case with my exhusband and son.

So upset in California about this lawyer babbling witch.

Liz Kates is a wonderful woman who was not given the opportunity to speak.  If you saw her website you would understand why.  She has volumes of info about the bogus syndrome PAS and the people who have brought it into the light.  Lets start with Richard gardner.  He committed suicide and was a pro-pedophile.  Then move on to Warren Farrell.  He too is pro-incest and in fact in the 70's tried unsuccessfully to do a research study into incest.  He also published an article in Penthouse in which he stated that a parent should not be condemned for genitally carressing his child.  Then we have the little chubster Glenn Sacks.  He peddles his garbage on his own self named website/blog.  He is good at this because he conveniently deletes any posts/comments that are not in line with his or his followers (cult?).  then lets move on to Dean Tong in Florida.  He has been arrested twice for domestic violence.  He claims the charges were false because nothing happened and the charges were dropped.  Charges being dropped does not mean they were false.  Then we have Alec Baldwin (thoughtles little pig ring a bell).  Oh and how about one of their poster children?  Darren Mack of nevada - self proclaimed swinger who HAD 50/50 custody but because he had to pay alimony and child support he killed his soon to be ex wife and attempted to kill the judge.  Then we can go on to all the father's rights men who have scaled buildings, climbed cranes, climbed bridges, and basically disrupted normal every day life - all the while dressed as Spiderman, Batman, Superman.  Oh these are the people who need to be raising children.
 
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October 4, 2008, 7:15 pm PDT

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I also had it put into court orders that there was to be absolutly no communicating through the children and that there was to be no disparaging comments made to or around the children about the other parent, but my ex has never followed the court orders, they mean nothing to him and the courts don't enforce them when you do file complaints.  Unfortunately it takes both parents working together to put the childrens needs first for things to work.  My ex fights over everything and refused to work with me on anything, he doesn't want to be reasonable or fair or do the right things for the kids.  My ex is consumed with "punishing me" and "making me suffer" and he knows that the only was he can do that now is through our children.  He is a very controlling, selfish, angry, angry person and doesn't care about what it does to our children.

 

Hi, sounds like your going through the same ordeal as I am....I also have an ex who is trying to punish me for leaving him years ago...he is still doing it now after 9 yrs...it's a recurring nightmare!  You're right it does take both parents working together to give that child a better childhood....but unfortunately when you have a evil doer as a parent usually it only hurts the kids....but I have always let my child know how much I love him and we are always doing family outings and vacationing together when we are together...I personally know how it feels to have someone who is trying to take your happiness...Don't let him get to you...that is what he wants to see, you in pain...even if you are...don't let it show in front of him...he's obviously isn't a happy person to be the way he is..
 
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October 4, 2008, 7:41 pm PDT

I NEED HELP/EXPERIENCING SEVERE CASE OF P.A.S.

i probably don't have the worst case, but it is for me!!! i'm not going to go into details...but, as of now...my ex, who has brainwashed my 3 kids to accuse me and my husband of sexual abuse (i took a polygraph and passed, no arrest were made, the kids stuck to their stories and everyone believed them). my ex ruined my children so badly, that my 2 oldest (who were the accusers) ended up acting out and getting arrested/charged/convicted/sentenced...they were in a residential facility for 2 years...now...my ex has abandoned them there, dfacs has custody of them, he took my youngest to Colombia, South America, abandoned her there, the government has her and is readying her for adoption!!!!! he is no where to be found!!! because of the allegations...i lost custody and contact of my kids, but my parental rights were never terminated!!! i have the state department/children's issues/abduction unit working on finding my youngest and getting her home, contacted my congressman jerry lewis for help!!! i finally found a legal aid attorney for help. i filed an ex-parte with the court where i live (california),(ex took kids to georgia in 2005, that is where 2 oldest are in dfacs). i was denied the ex-parte cause i couldn't service the ex. though i made sure they knew it was imperative for get my daughter home...they don't care...gave me a court date for november!!! then i got paperwork from dfacs saying that my children are deprived...that they are not going to reunify me with my children. they said they contacted me with a court date...they never did!! they know i want my children!!

my ex really messed things up!!! i have contaced dr. phil many times about this for help...but no answer...has anyone gotten an answer?! i need help!!!

 
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October 4, 2008, 7:46 pm PDT

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I left my husband over 33 years ago. At the time my son was under 3 years old. My husband was a gambler and physicially abusive. I took my son and ran, and ran, and ran. I moved from place to place so my baby and I would be safe.  After many years my divorce was granted. I took back my maiden name and legially changed my sons last name to my maiden name. My husband was not granted visitation due to his violence actions. He never hurt my son, only me. I ran because I thought that one day perhaps he would harm my son. I'd rather die then have him harm my son.

What would you have done?  Keep in mind that with was int he early 1970's. Things were so different back then. The abusinve husband was just removed from the home and taken for a ride aroudn the block to "cool off. I was always afraid to have him arrested due to the beating I would endure because of my actions of having him arrested.  I only had him arrested once.

I am asking this now because in the last 4 months my sons father has contacted my son. This is between my son and my ex. I am told by my son "this is not about you". I agree but wonder if I should sit down with my son and let him know of the abuse. This is a topic that I have kept inside me for over 33 years and the emotions were  hidden for so long. For some time after my son told me his birth father was around I was on the edge just waiing for my ex to come barging thru my door and kill me. I am better now. but the thought is still in the back of my mind.

The relationship my son and I have is wonderful. he is a fantastic man. He is now married with a family of his own. His wife is also a wonderful person. She is respectful enough to know that this is a topic  between my son and I.

Would you have done the same? Take your child and run to keep him safe?

Thank you for reading and I DO look forward to your reply. I need help with this topic and it is eating me away. I am in counceling at the moment but I feel that I need some interactions via email with someone who can relate to my situation.

As I watched the show yesterday on Brainwashing I wondered if I silently fit into this catogory. I think not. I did this for the safety of my son and I never said one negitive word about his birth father. In fact his BF was a taboo subject. It just was never spoken about.

Please help me on this.

 

  • hi, i read your story...I don't feel you did anything wrong...in fact I should have did the same...my boy is suffering because I did not leave out of state and kept him away. ...So don't feel guilty by no means....he should be the one feeling guilty, after all, he mentally and physically abused you...you were not in the right mind to think of your ex's feelings,you had to protect yourself and your boy....I know this because I went through it myself....you didn't brainwash your child...you just kept him safe....there are many situations out there where the parent should never be in a child's life as the child grows up...you never know what a crazy man would do...so now that you're son is an adult and if he chooses to get to know his father...it's his choice and if he comes to you and askes you why...just be honest with him......he will understand. 
 
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October 4, 2008, 8:14 pm PDT

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My life is living proof. As so many of the other stories I've read on here, my ex husband is an alienator. It does not just happen to men, I wish that would have been stressed more on the show. Fathers are getting custody more and more often these days, and many non custodial moms are affected by PAS. My ex is so angry that I left him that he will do whatever it takes to keep me from seeing the children I once had a loving relationship with, even if it means hurting them. In 2006, he with held them from me 16 days. In 2007, he with held them 58 days. And so far in 2008 it has been more than 90 days of court ordered visitation denied. My children are 10, 7 and 6 years old. The courts do nothing, despite my numerous filings of contempt. I have been accused of all sorts of abuse and neglect, all because of his hatered for me and need to see me suffer, using the only weapon he can--our children. I can see why the man on the show ran off with his two kids. I'm glad it worked out for him. I filed for custody and our hearing is in November. My ex makes more money than me and seems to have the corrupt court system on his side. I only hope they can see what is really happening before my kids' lives are permanently damaged.
  • Hi, I was drawn to your story because I am also living half of my life in a nightmare....the similar thing happened to me with my son....it happened when he was 2 and now he is 10...some men use this PAS to claim they are a good fathers and love their child/ren...but ofcourse evil fathers like that only use the child/ren for revengeful purposes....which seems to happen alot these days...especially if they have money and you don't at that point in time....kids are always the victims and one day they will grow up to see the truth...I know how hard it is for you but you keep your head up and be strong cause your ex is a typically revengeful devil in disguise....don't let him see you in pain in any way, shape or form...I hope things will work out for you in Nov. Take care of yourself so you can have energy to share with your children when you see them. My prayers go out to you and all the children.
 
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