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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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December 26, 2008, 8:29 am PST

Seen the same thing

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It saddens me to read your story.  My youngest daughter is 15.  She lives with her dad and step-mom since she was 5.  They have lied to her about things and have interfered in any way they can to prevent her from having a relationship with me.  Her dad is a chronic liar and cares only about himself.  He filed a Protection From Abuse order against me for "abusing" her when nothing happened.  He forced her to go along with it and lie further.  They tried to set me up, etc.  It's a long story, but I finally had to agree to no Parenting Time because he was going to use her to get what he wanted no matter what and to continue in court was only making things worse.  We even had Limited Case Management that said that her dad was "severely alienating" of me to her.  I haven't seen her since Father's Day 2008.  The court didn't say so, but he has told her that she is not allowed to contact me or any of my family until she is 18.  She finally gave in and goes along with what he says so that he doesn't get mad at her.  Very sad.  I hope she will see what he did to her and contact me some day.  I'm afraid she won't.

 I feel really bad for you because as a step mom to 3 grown children living your life I know how horrible it is first hand.  My step children have been alienated from their father for nearly 40 years. Every few years one of them trys to establish some sort of relationship but once their mom finds out all heck breaks loose and its like they are 10 again. She has been remarried almost 30 years and she has done the same thing to cut her new husband off from his 4 kids. IT's like she wanted to make her kids and her new husband into a "Perfect" family and to forget that they have a dad out there . When my husband backed off to try and settle her down she just used that to tell the kids "your dad dosn't care about you".    I have reached the conclusion that there is no hope for them to ever know their dad.  He is ill and won't be around forever> I am so happy for you that you were able to get to know your dad before he passed on.  I have often said about my step children and grandchildren that they are losing the chance to know an incredible loving man and one day it won't be an option for them to get to know him. It makes me sad.

 

I commend you for being able to help

 your mom out even if she does not deserve it from you.  You are a good daughter and a strong ,caring individual.  Your mom is lucky!

 
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December 26, 2008, 8:32 am PST

12/26 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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I want to send a message to all of you parents out there that think you're doing the right thing for your child/ren by supporting their "decision" to cut out the non-custodial parent out of their lives, whether they are paying child support or not. 

 

Think about this: If you are in any way, shape or form exaggerating, manipulating, telling white lies, twisting the truth, fabricating events, justifying and/or rationalizing, in order to influence your child/ren's love and opinions of their other parent, YOU ARE COMITTING PARENTAL ALIENATION!  It's that simple and THAT'S CHILD ABUSE! 

 

Children are much more forgiving than us adults and I'm not saying that where there is REAL abuse going on it should be ignored.  Those of you who are truly dealing with abuse know who you are.  This message is not for you.  Its for the rest of you, and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!  "If you know in your heart that you are doing and saying things that are inaccurate because you really would rather not have to deal with your ex for whatever reason, then you are being selfish and you are robbing your child/ren of their right to love, forgive AND be loved by both their parents. 

 

Natesmom4ever

 

 AMEN!!!
 
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December 26, 2008, 8:35 am PST

12/26 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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my parents divorced each other when i was in my teens and now i'm in my mid-20s and i believe 100% that my mother brainwashed me against my father.

although i love both of my parents very much, even to this day, i feel guilty for even talking to my father--and this it's been well over 10 years since the divorce.

i feel like my mom, in ways, used me to get back at my dad and i don't think i can ever fully recover from this.
divorce is probably the most horrible and detrimental thing a child can experience...especially if its messy with custody battles and other issues.

despite my parents tumultuous divorce and relationship, i have had success in my relationships and i'm currently in a wonderful long-term relationship but i'm apprehensive to get married because i never, ever want to repeat my parents mistakes.

what's worse is that to this day, i can't even explain to my mom how hurt i am by her actions without her becoming upset and enraged by my feelings..because she thinks she never did anything wrong..she thinks that i should just listen to what she says and agree with it completely and if i don't --i'm "taking sides" [not her side.

i've had to choose sides--either him or her--all my life and i don't think things will EVER change because i thought that time would make things easier but time has sort of made things worse.

basically, my mother has never recovered from the divorce [10+ years later and i don't think she ever will, therefore, i will have to suffer along with her, forever.


I would love to talk with you.  I am a mother that sounds like I'm in the same position as your father.  And I just want to tell you that you have every right to contact and talk to your father!  Do not feel guilty!!  Love and be loved!  It is not your problem that your mother can not handle the relationship between you and your father, but it's not hers, it's YOURS. YOU choose what to do with it!! 

A LOVING ALIENATED MOM

 
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December 26, 2008, 8:37 am PST

living it as we speak

This is all so very true! In the last two years I've seen this exact same situation develope with sergical precision. My two daughters (11& 14) are mentally beaton by their mother and they still feel sorry for her and think she is a wonderful person. I do NOT try to change this in their minds, even though she uses every and even creates situations to anger them at me. Its unbelievable the lengths and depths that people will go to just to win!!  Interested in an example? How about having a new baby just to use as bait through a custody battle.
 
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December 26, 2008, 12:27 pm PST

Parent Alienation

I can only say that the alienation after divorce happened to me, I lost three of my children. My ex wife was unbelievably cruel and she definetly brainwashed all three kids. I ended up giving up after years of trying. This is totally real and a huge problem in divorces. Judges don't really care that a child was or is being brainwashed. Haven't seen the children from previous marriage mor than a couple of times over the last 14 years. Sad but true.
 
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December 26, 2008, 12:28 pm PST

parental alienation

I want to say that I experienced a parent trying to brainwash me. This IS a true thing happening.  There's no denying it. My father actually came and took me 10 hours away from my mother and siblings and began telling me all sorts of things about my mother, her past, and her responsibility for the separation that I never should have heard. 

The woman on the show is in HUGE denial who says this does not happen.  I had to listen to these things so much that at 11 years old I said that my mother was a wh_ _ _ while my mother was in the same room. Also, I actually really liked my mom's new boyfriend, but my dad had convinced me of how horrible he was too.  I heard it so much that I began to say similar things. 

Eventually, my dad was in such bad shape that he had a mental break down which was the only way I was able to get back home to live with my mom and siblings again. 

Unfortunately, my brothers and sisters were also eventually brainwashed by my dad and actually had nothing to do with my mother for a long period of time.

Here's the main point I want to make. My dad made himself look bad in the end. My mother never said anything about my dad. I gained more respect for her and LESS trust for him.

Also, whether there are things, true or not, which one parent has against the other parent, the child should not be hearing these things.

PARENTS---please don't be guilty of doing these things. It hurts your child and it hurts your credibilty as the child gets older. 

 

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December 26, 2008, 12:28 pm PST

12/26 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

I was in an abusive marrige and had to leave while my husband was at work.. I took my 3 children who were 9,6 and 3 at the time and left the stte and went to my parents.  From the moment he found out i left he did everything in his power to get his son away from me.  He did not try to get the girls, he just wanted my son.  My son ws 6 years old t the time and had daily phone calls with his fther.  He was told to call dyfus and tell them all sorts of horrid things.  This little boy was only 6 and when the dyfus workers came to my parents home, they told me they were on their guard as soon as there was a divorce sitution.  Dyfus went to the childrens school and they were pulled out of their classrooms and interviewed.  We were court ordered to see a phycologist, whom my ex husband picked.  She told me after the fact that as soon as my ex opened his mouth she knew he was lying.

t our custody hearing my ex husbnds lawer stood up when the hearing was over, and he was clearly going to lose custody and said he was willing to take "the boy and let the ex wife have the girls".

 

 
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December 26, 2008, 12:29 pm PST

Step-parent Alienation

I am the soon to be stepmother of two boys, age 13 and 11.  I have been dating my fiance for six years.  We have been engaged for two years.  While my fiance and his ex-wife, Rhonda, have a civil relationship most of the time, I seem to be the brunt of her residual anger for her ex-husband. 

 

Rhonda asked for the divorce, so I'm not sure I completely understand her continued anger, for him, and most definitely towards me. 

 

Upon the announcement of our engagement two years ago, I was accused of child abuse by the eldest son, allegations that while I do not believe were prompted directly by Rhonda, certainly the boys were responding to her upset, after years of being taught that any bad word about me brought immense pleasure to their mother.  The son recanted the allegatons in front of me and his father and apologized profusely, but any time Rhonda was around, he stuck to his guns that I had kicked him in the shin, punched him in the arm, and pushed him to the ground, each time while his father was in the shower.  The allegations were quite preposterous even to the teacher he reported it to, and the allegations were never reported. After some brief counseling, her pastor and a emergency intake therapist both diagnosed the eldest with transition disorder.  Eventually, all died down on this issue, but Rhonda continues to badmouth me to the children on a continual basis.

 

Any advice on how to deal with this?  I can control my actions, but I'm not sure how to address the children when they report their mother's behavior to me, or secondarily, how to address Rhonda when the instances occur.

 
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December 26, 2008, 12:33 pm PST

I can truly relate

Quote From: alienatedmomnc

I would love to talk with you.  I am a mother that sounds like I'm in the same position as your father.  And I just want to tell you that you have every right to contact and talk to your father!  Do not feel guilty!!  Love and be loved!  It is not your problem that your mother can not handle the relationship between you and your father, but it's not hers, it's YOURS. YOU choose what to do with it!! 

A LOVING ALIENATED MOM

I hear you. But in may case, it's my dad. 15 years later, he still has to tell me how bad my mom is and how good he was as a dad. It's so frustrating, I know. I can't talk to him for too long on the phone before he gets on the topic. It's sooo depressing. I am about to the point of confronting him. That may truly be the answer. I'll pray for you, you pray for me!

 
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December 26, 2008, 12:34 pm PST

I understand

Dr. Phil my wife is a big fan and I went through this same situation and still going through it now. But I am not a father that can afford a lawyer to go to court and fight this. My ex got remarried and her new husband has told me he fights with her about talking down about me to my son. But if my son  tells me anything I cant go to court because of money for a lawyer or address her wih the situation because he gets in trouble and is threatened if he tells me anything. If  It goes to court a person like that is going to lie and the child is too scared to tell his version so he does not getting in trouble.

 
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