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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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December 26, 2008, 1:44 pm PST

The brainwashing is true and happens both ways.

My story is the not the usual one.  My ex-husband isn't the one doing the brainwashing, he spends all his time out in his shop, while the girlfriend is taking care of the kids.  My ex's girlfriend is the one doing all the brainwashing.  So, now years later my daughter doesn't have anything to do with me, her mom or any of our family.  His girlfriend is a very vindictive person, who is afraid of loosing her power over everone.  She controls everyone like they are puppets.  I figure only time can fix this unreal problem. 
 
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December 26, 2008, 1:46 pm PST

my x is a bad mom

my x-wife gets so mad when i call my boys ,,the other day she wouldnt let them talk to me ,,her reason was because of child support ,,,,then she went on to tell me that the kids wouldnt be with me on xmas ,,,now she is in contempt of a court order ,& i went to have the police help but they needed a law enforcement directive to do so in a civil mannerso i am currently goin to do what i have to do with my lawyer to get my visitation in order or to get custody of my children ....are there any other people who have the same problem i am having ?if so reply to me
 
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December 26, 2008, 1:48 pm PST

"You just confuse the kids; pay up"

My husband has three kids that he is unable to talk to or see. When he finally was able to get a hold of his ex-wife, he asked to speak to them.  She told him, "no you cannot speak to them, you will only confuse them. They have a new life and a new father and they don't need to talk to you". This devistated my husband and your show today "Brainwashed by my parents" really hits home. The kids had been moved from California to New York without notifying him or authorization, then when he went to file for modification of child support found out that 2 years ago they moved to Washington State. That is when she told him the above line. The oldest is 17 and the youngest is 11 and has not seen his children since 2000.  Wish there was some sort of help for him but financially cannot afford legal help.  Just glad that there was a show today that hopefully she is watching and will hit home for her. 
 
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December 26, 2008, 1:49 pm PST

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I am the soon to be stepmother of two boys, age 13 and 11.  I have been dating my fiance for six years.  We have been engaged for two years.  While my fiance and his ex-wife, Rhonda, have a civil relationship most of the time, I seem to be the brunt of her residual anger for her ex-husband. 

 

Rhonda asked for the divorce, so I'm not sure I completely understand her continued anger, for him, and most definitely towards me. 

 

Upon the announcement of our engagement two years ago, I was accused of child abuse by the eldest son, allegations that while I do not believe were prompted directly by Rhonda, certainly the boys were responding to her upset, after years of being taught that any bad word about me brought immense pleasure to their mother.  The son recanted the allegatons in front of me and his father and apologized profusely, but any time Rhonda was around, he stuck to his guns that I had kicked him in the shin, punched him in the arm, and pushed him to the ground, each time while his father was in the shower.  The allegations were quite preposterous even to the teacher he reported it to, and the allegations were never reported. After some brief counseling, her pastor and a emergency intake therapist both diagnosed the eldest with transition disorder.  Eventually, all died down on this issue, but Rhonda continues to badmouth me to the children on a continual basis.

 

Any advice on how to deal with this?  I can control my actions, but I'm not sure how to address the children when they report their mother's behavior to me, or secondarily, how to address Rhonda when the instances occur.

Does your fionce know?

 

I would say, sit down with the children and ask them if they really believe that you did that stuff, and you could possibly record in incase it ever came up that you'd have to go into court about it, and yeah, just talk about it with your fionce and the children.

 

Just never say anything about the mother because that will turn around and go straight back to her.

 

Best of luck with it all!

 
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December 26, 2008, 1:49 pm PST

12/26 "Brainwashed by My Parents"

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Let me start off by stating that I have been a victim of PAS by my ex-husband. This is a reverse-case. I have seen my children (now 21 & 17) only ONCE in 4 years. You would not believe all of the BS that I was accused of, what he told the children about me, how it was my fault we divorced (he accused me of cheating on him. I never cheated but, had the proof of HIS cheating) even though he was the one that left us.

We separated in 2000. When he left - he left with everything on our house (1st & a 2nd mortgage that I didn't know about) 2+ months behind. I had been a "stay at home" mom who had just finished an extended stay taking care of my grandmother who had had triple by-pass surgery. For several months I honestly had no idea what was going on at our house while I was taking care of my grandmother. Perhaps that was a mistake. I don't know where the money went, what the kids did, what the ex did - nothing. I came home 1 day to go to the dentist (after rescheduling 3 times b/c of caring for my grandmother) His mother gave me the money for the dentist, I gave it to my ex to put into the bank. When my grandmother had recovered enough for me to go home - a neighbor told me a police car was at my house while I was gone. I ended up going to the police station to see what they wanted and was promptly arrested, fingerprinted, booked and entered into the system. I was released ROR after seeing the magistrate but what had happened is my ex told me to write a check to the dentist (which is why he would put the $ in the bank) and he never did. The check bounced and the dentist sent several CRR letters which he wouldn't sign for. Remember we had not separated yet but in hindsight, I believe he was putting down the framework to leaving.

I hired a lawyer, I borrowed money, I did everything I could to see my children. I drove every other weekend to see them, I attended school functions when I knew about them. I did it all. I wouldn't talk about my ex in front of the kids. When they complained he didn't buy them something he promised them - I just said I'm sure he's doing the best he can. Trying to keep it upbeat but neutral. A LOT of letters going back and forth. I had to send a letter CRR letting him know I wanted to exercise my right of visitation even though it was already court ordered. But if I didn't send that letter - he wouldn't let me see the kids. They were told they could talk to me all they wanted (it was long distance) - once the bill came - that changed. Most of the time, they would call and I would call them back so *I* would have the LD charges. I knew he was struggling to catch up on bills and I was trying to be fair. I had the expense of having a vonage line installed with a local number for them so they could call me locally. Then they were told they were not allowed to answer the phone unless their father, g'father or an adult was there.

After years of fighting, trying to be upbeat about the ex - he told them they didn't have to visit with me if they didn't want to and then planned "outtings" on my weekends. Eventually they even stopped answering the phone. After calling for 3 months - at first daily, then slowly dwindling to nothing. I "assumed" they didn't want to talk to me anymore because they were not returning my phone calls. I should mention that I had to go through either my ex-husband or my ex-father-in-law just to TALK to our children.

Dr. Phil, PAS in my opinion, DOES exist and it's not just women doing this. Men do this as well. After driving 12+ hours just to attend court, the judge didn't want to hear any evidence. He had custody, I signed the papers (under deress), wasn't allowed to see my children (at that time) for over 6 months and none of that mattered. He didn't even receive a slap on the wrist. Nothing! I've spent close to 30-40 THOUSAND to still not see our children.

Now mind you, I was court ordered to pay child support and I paid every month. I got VERY sick in 2005 and almost died. To make a long story short, I paid 4 months of C/S even though I wasn't working at the time. Since then, I've had 10 surgeries. My ex has convinced our children that I'm lying about being sick. I'm only saying that because I don't want to pay child support.

What I know is I love and miss my kids very much. I want a relationship with them. Everyone says they will eventually figure it out what their father has done to eliminate me from their lives. Taking the pictures of us together from them, not allowing visitation, etc - I can only hope and pray that we can have a relationship on day. I will always be there for them if they ever need me. I just seriously doubt they would call because of their father. What I don't understand is why it is okay for a child to love both parents when they are together but it's not okay to love both parents when they are divorced. Children NEED both parents to grow up to be well rounded productive citizens. I can't understand why a parent would do that to a child. Don't get me wrong - I really do despise my ex-husband but I would NEVER take the kids away from him. That's just wrong in my opinion.
This sounds similar to my situation.  I am female victim also.
 
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December 26, 2008, 1:51 pm PST

i think my kids were brainwashed

when my ex husband and I were going through a rather lengthy divorce, I feel that he brainwashed my children against me.  The divorce is final now for almost 2 years and the kids are starting to talk to me more and more about what dad told them when we first split up.  They say that their dad told them that I abandoned them as soon as they could walk.  I never took care of them and I made them fix their own food if they were hungry.  This is of course all false.  I am the one that was there for them when their dad would deploy for a year or more at a time.  I prepared meals for them everyday, bathed them, made sure they were taken care of.  I took them to the doctor when it was necessary, which is something that the ex has not done in 2 years.  I took my oldest daughter to therapy after she confided in me about sexual abuse from a family friend.  Since he got residential custody the children have not seen a doctor and the abused one was pulled out of therapy.  The kids see now what was done and they want to live with me, but I dont know how to go about getting them back.  Any advice?
 
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December 26, 2008, 1:55 pm PST

Go Dr Phill

You are 100% in tune with what really happens...What is wrong with these people.  I see it, everywhere, all the time.  It tears a child apart...and it is child abuse because the scars never leave the injured child's memory...I'm the Mom, at 15 yrs marriage, Mike and Matt's Mom and Dad called it quits.  There are going to be scars anyway...but after seeing this go on around me...not personally...and then to go through it personally.   I tried to tone it down, but at times, the self control measures aren't so easy and most of us have made this mistake.  Some thrive on this, but it goes on between adults, and children suffer.  I know that I learned how to bite my tongue and continue to Mother my kids, even if it meant "the world not being fair" as best as possible... I wasn't the Evil Absentee Mom, just Mom, and I was the one who caught all the hell and bad mouthing.   I took lots of lectures from every aspect in my life.  Everyone has advice.  You know...just an fyi...My oldest son, Mike, now 28 and in the PhD Program for his Doctorate, attending Oklahoma State University.. and on his bday, last September, I wrote him a letter and told him about the joy he has brought me from the moment he was born.  How those last moments, in labor, with his Dad holding my hand so I could squeeze something when pains hit "hard"...How nothing that has happened since then, even with all the water that has passed under the bridge, can ever change the love that His Dad and I felt when we first held him as a little family of our own.  This miracle moment, that it will ALWAYS be special...etc.,    had such an unexpected effect on him, that it still gets discussed in certain private circles.  And I would never have thought it could be so special to Mike.   He emailed my Mom, his Grandma, and the email was so touching, she forwarded a copy to me...but by that time, Mike had already emailed me to let me know how much it meant to him.  We both shed some tears. 

 

How can anyone with a brain pretend that a child(ren) pay a dear price at a time when their whole world has just been turned upside down and dumped on them.   The children are the warriors.  I've heard conversations at workplaces, in church circles, any place, really, where the women, usually with custody, go on and on about what a louser their ex is, whether their kids are within earshot, whether that child is a toddler or in high school.  If you mention how people put their kids in the middle, that very outspoken custodial parent then puts on as if they would never allow their children to be done that way.....HELLO!!!  the NonCustodial Parents seem to be given some stereotyped, Horrible parent --ex--whatever.  Why don't the courts, parents, everyone...open their eyes and remember the child is the first priority...their happiness and health;  mentally, emotionally, physically is so important.  Parents need to be taught the Golden Rule so they can be "that"  person in the life of their child(ren).  It feels good to do right and then realize your kids are watching.  These kids deserve unburdened love.

 
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December 26, 2008, 1:55 pm PST

This is real...

Children should be allowed to be children.  They should not be forced to make adult decesions.

 

Our corrupt Judicial System continues to use our children as pawns to generate revenue!  They feed on the love of a parent, and the only losers are the children.

 

Dr. Phil and Company,

Thank you for bringing the horrific issue to National attention.

 

God Bless all of you

 
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December 26, 2008, 1:56 pm PST

Family Courts Are Insidiously Evil

It is understood that my next statement will make me sound nuttier than squirrel crap and I'll follow it up with a statement that there is a UFO outside the window, however, it does not stop the truth - and the truth is that the Family Courts throughout the western world have become insidiously evil with a secret agenda of keeping children messed up psychologically and parents in conflict so that the Courts and its agents and officials may stay well compensated.

Most all parents are guilty of badmouthing the other parent at the start of the divorce - and we were no different.  Unfortunately for me my soon to be ex secretly recorded me telling our children that their mother had lied to them about what she fought for and won in Court - a victory which killed a world our children and I passionately loved and she had no desire for.  The result is I haven't seen our children for going on five months now.  My soon to be ex is much more egregiously guilty of sharing adult information and she uses outlandish lies to alienate our children from their father.  Our children are old enough not to purchase these lies, tell anyone that will listen about their mother's lies, and also tell anybody and everybody they want to live with their father.  However, their voice is never heard in Court.

I have built a web site for this ongoing saga:  http://www.ourkidsmisstheirdad.com

Please investigate the many father's rights groups out today.  This is truly America's dirty little secret - the evil agenda of today's Family Courts - and because the vast majority of divorces are started by women it is no secret as to who gains the most in divorce court.

Alec Baldwin was just on Larry King on CNN and his insight into divorce, but not his politics, should be heeded and understood - he is right on the money.

The Approximation Rule is the only simple way to remove the emotions and adversarial positions that come with the very real possibility that a parent may lose a meaningful relationship with their children and is the best way for a child's life to continue in divorce the way it mainly was lived in marriage.

http://www.ourkidsmisstheirdad.com/approximation_rule.html

My wife now has total access to our children and is very smart (evil genious is the same term I use) with esoteric alienation.

The vast majority of sexual abuse claims against children of their father by wives divorcing are false and she can sue her attorney if he does not  suggest domestic violence on the husbands part for inept representation.

Our divorce is a horror story for our children because their mother would not entertain the idea of equal placement as it, "won't fit my budget."

God help her and many others in the Family Courts when they are called to St. Peter's Gate as I and many others won't.

 
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December 26, 2008, 1:56 pm PST

Alienation of children to parents

I believe children can be alienated from one parent to the other.  I am divorced and made that decision several years ago when my daughter was 3 years and my son was 5 years old.  It wasn't a easy decision, but I was abused in many ways by my ex husband, and wanted to have a safe environment for my children to live in.  I watched my ex husband work his ways by telling my children they didn't know what they felt until they reached the age of 18.  The happy go lucky little boy started to self doubt himself, and hold in his feelings.  My ex husband favored my son over my daughter, and I could see the damage he made upon her over the years.  My childen were diagnosed with ADHD.  When he had visitation of our children he threw out their medication and refused to give them the medication that was prescribed to them.  Told my children to call his new wife their new mom. Enrolled them in sunday school that was not related to the faith we baptized and raised our children.  Deliberately cut my rules down, and telling them that I was crazy, and they could do the absolute opposite in his house.  This type of sabbotage went on for many years, and even though I filed contempt motions in the court system, and they kept giving him chances to stop his behavior, but his behavior continued.  Now my children are teenagers.  My daughter is angry with her father, for the lack of his concern over her.  She attempted to have a relationship with him, and I many times told him to be aware of the hurt he was conflicting on her.  We are close and she has chosen to remain aloof with him, which I feel is her choice and his loss.  Both of my children were the apple of my eyes, but my son was taught by my ex husband that men are better than women.  He has called me a bitch, and has been extremely disrespectful.  I always tried to teach my children responsibility, but he believes he is entitled.  With my ex husband's influence it has put a wedge between my son and I.  He has also destroyed the trust and relationship between my son and daughter.  The pain runs very deep in my heart, and I can't change it.  All I can do is pray for my son, and hoping our relationship will eventually mend.  My ex husband's mother has also made rude comments about me and my family, and I feel that it is awful that any grandparent would be that mean.  I know I am not perfect.  I said things when they were little, and that was wrong.  I was scared, and lonely, and I also realized that I was hurting my children.  I went for counseling, so I could start healing.  I never tried to erase my ex from their lives, he just chose he was too busy.  I tried to follow the law, but in so many ways the court system robbed my children and myself.  They allowed my ex to get away with the things he did.  He was able to violate my parental rights, over turn a judges ruling without filing an appeal, not pay his arrears in child support, and emotionally abuse innocent lives.
 
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