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Created on : Friday, September 26, 2008, 02:43:44 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/03/08) It’s being called the ultimate form of child abuse -- brainwashing your children against an ex-spouse to win custody. Could you be harming your child emotionally and not even know it? First up, Ken is a successful surgeon who says he’s the victim of parental alienation syndrome (PAS). He says he hasn’t seen his 14-year-old son since last October and claims his ex-wife destroyed what was once a loving father-son relationship. Mel Feit, director of the National Center for Men, says Ken’s situation is a classic case of kids being turned against their father, but family law attorney Liz Kates says PAS is a phony tactic used by some men to get out of paying child support. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, Karen lost custody of her children after she was accused of parental alienation syndrome by her ex-husband. Karen maintains her innocence, so why were her parental rights terminated when her daughters accused her ex of sexual abuse? Plus, 19-year-old Demi joins the show via Web cam and says her father verbally abused her mother during their divorce. Now, she fears that her 15-year-old sister is caught in the middle. Find out what you can do if you’re caught between sparring parents. And, meet a father so desperate to see his young children, he kidnapped them from his ex-wife and went on the lam for two years. Talk about the show here.


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December 26, 2008, 1:59 pm PST

Brainwashed by My Parents

This happened to both of my children by their mother before during and after divorce. I can tell you first hand that this had a terrible impact on my children. Whenever I heard what was being said by the mother it made me watch even more that I did not do that to them. I think that was her only way to lash out at me knowing that it would hurt me. Even today 13 years later, my kids both have a non factual knowledge of events and stories that they were told. It is only now that I occasionally have a chance to set some of the things straight. When I feel that I have to say things in a defensive way I either drop the subject or do not bring it up at all. I think that divorce was partly responsible for the current actions of my kids (see my Bio) and I also take responsibility for that but when I heard your 12/26 show I had to respond because my now ex wife who "brainwashed", or tried to, does not take any responsibility for her actions whether brainwashing or simply going through divorce. I must say that it took 7 years after divorce for her to have a civil conversation about our kids or other topics. I am desparate for getting help for my kids. please help me.........................bn
 
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December 26, 2008, 1:59 pm PST

this is so real

this is happening in my family right now. the holidays were a mess, my brother (now 20) left the house and wouldn't come home until he knew my father was gone. my parent's divorce was final 2 months ago, i am 23 and my younger sister is 17. mom lives with her boyfriend a few towns over, my sister is living with her there, now my sister won't talk to my dad. my brother is living with our grandparents he has no where else to live but won't come here to the place me and my dad live. i'm so lucky i am the oldest child so that i wasn't caught in the middle of this. my mom has turned my brother against my dad, and now my sister's on the same road. i can't change my brother's mind, but i've been trying to change my sister's. my entire family is torn apart, including the extended family because of this.
 
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December 26, 2008, 2:07 pm PST

PAS Exists

I am the stepmother of two boys that have been alienated from their dad. It is amazingly hard to never say anything negative about the ex when she does and says spiteful, irresponsible, crazy stuff and brainwashes the kids to think it's okay. For example, just expressing my frustration over excessive medical spending makes me look like I don't care when the truth is there is a responsibe way to use healthcare and irresponsible ways. It's easy to use benefits when you don't pay for them. Having a child put through an MRI, CAT scan, and X-ray for a cold because you think he has menengitis is irresponsible, especially since another primary care doctor said it was a cold.  The ex literally kidnapped our 14 year old and convinced him his dad is evil. If my husband had done that, he woud be in jail. There is such a double standard. The child wasn't even with her for 24 hours before all these tests were done. My familys' benefits were drained due to her irresponsibility and I am sure she told the child she was only doing it because she loved him and we didn't care. I've worked in healthcare for over 20 yeatrs and know what requires medical attention and when.  It's been a year and the child has not spoken to my husband and hasn't explained why.
 
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December 26, 2008, 2:09 pm PST

you have done your homework

Quote From: sampolhamus

It is understood that my next statement will make me sound nuttier than squirrel crap and I'll follow it up with a statement that there is a UFO outside the window, however, it does not stop the truth - and the truth is that the Family Courts throughout the western world have become insidiously evil with a secret agenda of keeping children messed up psychologically and parents in conflict so that the Courts and its agents and officials may stay well compensated.

Most all parents are guilty of badmouthing the other parent at the start of the divorce - and we were no different.  Unfortunately for me my soon to be ex secretly recorded me telling our children that their mother had lied to them about what she fought for and won in Court - a victory which killed a world our children and I passionately loved and she had no desire for.  The result is I haven't seen our children for going on five months now.  My soon to be ex is much more egregiously guilty of sharing adult information and she uses outlandish lies to alienate our children from their father.  Our children are old enough not to purchase these lies, tell anyone that will listen about their mother's lies, and also tell anybody and everybody they want to live with their father.  However, their voice is never heard in Court.

I have built a web site for this ongoing saga:  http://www.ourkidsmisstheirdad.com

Please investigate the many father's rights groups out today.  This is truly America's dirty little secret - the evil agenda of today's Family Courts - and because the vast majority of divorces are started by women it is no secret as to who gains the most in divorce court.

Alec Baldwin was just on Larry King on CNN and his insight into divorce, but not his politics, should be heeded and understood - he is right on the money.

The Approximation Rule is the only simple way to remove the emotions and adversarial positions that come with the very real possibility that a parent may lose a meaningful relationship with their children and is the best way for a child's life to continue in divorce the way it mainly was lived in marriage.

http://www.ourkidsmisstheirdad.com/approximation_rule.html

My wife now has total access to our children and is very smart (evil genious is the same term I use) with esoteric alienation.

The vast majority of sexual abuse claims against children of their father by wives divorcing are false and she can sue her attorney if he does not  suggest domestic violence on the husbands part for inept representation.

Our divorce is a horror story for our children because their mother would not entertain the idea of equal placement as it, "won't fit my budget."

God help her and many others in the Family Courts when they are called to St. Peter's Gate as I and many others won't.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge!  I call Kansas Judicial System "The Wild Wild West'!  Whatever the is good for government revenue seems to be the answer.

 

The drag out cases to generate revenue for their private jets, country club fees, a lavish parties.  Who pays the real price?  Not the parents finances, but the children's self esteem.

 

We must bind together and stop this horrific behavior in OUR country.  We are the government's customers, and until we unite together and make a stand, this will continue.

 

Thank you Dr. Phil and Company for shedding light on PARENTAL ALIENATION.

 
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December 26, 2008, 2:12 pm PST

Heart Breaking

This show was very touching to me.  My daughter is 16yrs old and is now without her father around.  He took off in Aug 16, 2008 and has not been seen since.  He kidnapped his two youngest children from their mother.  Their custody battle had gone on for two years.  He should not be having these two children, he is not in the right frame of mind to raise them.  My heart goes out to them not being with their mother and rest of family they have.  Are they going to school?  No one knows, he just dropped from the face of the earth.  Where is he?  The detectives won't leave my daughter out of this.  I know that they are searching for him to find the children but they don't understand.  Not only did my daughter loose her dad right now but also has recently lost her step-dad of 7yrs in Nov 2008, due to sudden heart attack.  It has been a difficult for her with no father figure around at all.  This gentleman that was on your show today Dr.Phil, that had kidnapped his children is ridiculous.  He should be punished for the crime he did committed.  There are ways of solving issues between parents but not to rip them away from the other parent and in my case my child.  I hope he is found soon.  The mother is in such distress it's not right.  Please bring those children home Kevin!

Mother of 16yr old
Angie
 
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December 26, 2008, 2:21 pm PST

Yes, PAS is real

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I am a Mother of 2 teenage boys (14 and 15) separated 2 years from their Father.  The mental abuse and alleniation began long before I left the marriage.  The kids remained with him for 6 months before we went to court.  The kids wanted nothing to do with me at all...continuously got worse. 

 

I was lucky I was able to prove that he was alleniating the kids and plotting the against me.  I had a judge who talked with my kids, a counselor who talked with the kid and had a counselor myself.  All saw it.  The judge said things looked almost cult like.  Due to the kids ages they gave us shared custody.  They were afraid the kids would rebel if taken completely away.  They have been in mandatory counseling.  Things have gotten worse.  They are trapped.  With just their Dad and step-brother in the house they have no where to turn or no option but to conform to the opinion and actions of their abusive father.  They are so meshed together that they speak and act robotic.  They make no effort to have a relationship with me or anyone that has anything to do with me; including their only living grandparents.  I think the oldest can see what is happening, but is trapped because he has his younger brother who is the "spy", reporter....etc.  Several counselors are calling it cult like.  The kids will never be able to say they had fun with their Mother or shared anything with me. 

 

I never wanted to take the childern away from their Father.  He made it about the children.  Now, even though the court order says he has committed PAS I am having to deal with the kids age, being boys and his continuing alleniation.  I'm stuck and my boys are growing up and learning to behave just like him.  Counselors say the only cure is to remove them from the situation.........this means taking them away from their Father........ I feel I the court would do this but with the childrens age I worry about what other consequenses will that create.  I feel trapped....all I want to do is save my boys and help them see that this behaviour is wrong!  I want them to have a relationship with us both!  PAS DOES EXIST...NO ONE KNOWS UNTIL THEY ARE IN IT AND EXPERIENCE IT.  IT IS ALSO THE HARDEST THING TO PROVE.  It has cost me over 50,000! 

My parents tried it with me, and I've been counselor to several parents who have tried it with their own children.  My husband's ex did it with his son, and is permanently paraplegic because of his son's rages provoked by his mother while he was on steroids.

We have to treat our children as valuable and valued human beings, who deserve to have genuine relationships with both parents on the terms dictated by the actual situations between a parent and child, instead of by a sense of the opposite parent's sense of revenge or anger.  Abused children must be protected, but contrary to what many people believe, I strongly feel that most children know when they are being abused--there's a strong sense that something's not right, but they don't always have a safe venue to let someone know they're being abused or their emotions are being steered for them.  I *begged* for help when I was growing up, and both my parents bad-mouthed each other, in an attempt to get me on their own side.  The difference, in my case, was that I knew that both parents were guilty of hurting me, but they were so self-absorbed in their own views of what was happening that they were in denial of any abuse.  I'm 44, now, and my dad is dead, but my relationship with my mother is still shaky.  I love her, and she goes through the motions of what she feels a parent should be, but she becomes enraged at the slightest [imagined] provocation, and belittles me because of my faith--like I'm not old enough to decide for myself what my relationship with God should be.  She knows better than to be physical anymore, but she has convinced herself that the physical and mental abuse was all in my head.  I no longer feel the need for her to agree with me on the subject, but she still doesn't get the concept of adults agreeing to disagree on some topics, and it's at those times she feels the need to belittle, rather than trying to grasp the concept of a viewpoint that differs from her, her pastor, etc.  I was fortunate enough to have the emotional support of grandparents, and my aunt, so I was able to see the emotional hammering from both sides for what it was, and base my relationships with each parent on the person that they were, respectively, instead of what someone else said they were, or what they tried to convince me that they weren't, respectively.  I weep for all the children who are being denied a relationship with *anyone* who makes them feel valued as a person, especially those who are denied to develop their own relationship with a parent due to another person's insecurities. 
 
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December 26, 2008, 2:21 pm PST

too true

My step-son has CP and some developmental delays, which makes what his mom does even more cruel.  She has done her best since 2002 to alienate the little guy from his dad and me.  He has been told that he cannot love me or my family.  He also cannot mention my name, my sister's name or my parent's names at home.  Right now, we are not able to see him at all because she won't comply with the court order.  Parents who use and abuse their children to get back at their exes should be held accountable.
 
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December 26, 2008, 2:23 pm PST

book recommendation

My son is 33 years old and I continue to struggle as a targeted parent. I just read Amy Baker's book, Adult Children of Parental Alienation Syndrom: Breaking the Ties That Bind." 

 

When my son was in first grade his father's live-in girlfriend went to upset ALL of the first grade teachers during the first week of school. She is now his EX-stepmother and continues to brainwash him, seemingly in hopes of getting his Dad back or just to "twist the knife." 

 

I wish this book had been available to me back then, not that the outcome would have been any different. Perhaps, I would have just found some strength in knowing I was recognized and understood as the targeted parent. 

 

The struggle with feelings of helplessness continues as the EX-stepmother continues her games of manipulation.

 
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December 26, 2008, 2:23 pm PST

Divorce doesn't have to punish children

To anyone who cares to read this, divorce doesn't have to be harmful to your children.  After my divorce from my ex-husband 25 years ago, I decided to make sure our 2yo son had a good relationship with his father.  Though it took a little time to get past the feelings about the divorce, we chose not to focus on ourselves, but on our son.  Over the years, even though we married -- and divorced -- other people, we developed a love and mutual respect for one another without being a married couple.  We supported each other's decisions when it came to our son, and we supported each other as friends.  In September of this year, my ex-husband died from cancer, and I was there, taking care of him.  Many didn't understand our relationship.  They thought we should just get married again.  Of course, we'd already tried that, and there were too many differences.  The one thing we had in common was our son, and he grew up believing that his parents loved him enough to get past their differences and fill his life with as much positive as we could.
 
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December 26, 2008, 2:25 pm PST

none the wiser

When Dr. Phil's episode began today my jaw almost hit the floor. Both me and my brother have been through a divorce so nasty that it often felt like we were living every moment through my mother.

 

Since I was a young girl my mother has confided in me every detail of her and my fathers divorce. She has sat me down to read the verbaly abusive e-mails exchanged between my father and her. She has indeed been dragged through the mud, both in court and out of court. However, so has my father and so have we.

 

When my parents first separated my mother took us late at night while my father was out. We lived on welfare for a number of years and eventually had to move in with relatives. I was 7 years old and I can replay almost every screaming match and threat from that time until now. My mother told us he was money hungry. Evil. She would say all he wanted was custody of us so that HE would "win". She told me every time she had to go to court, and what it was regarding, What the ruling was. She said he used his power to "screw us out of having any money". To a 7 year old girl who is afraid of losing her home this can be devastating. She told me that dad had threatened to through her in jail because she was accused of stealing money from the family business. No 7 year old should know what the word "Embeslement" means. She convinced us that he didnt really love us. When I was about 14, full of temper and immaturity I viewed my mothers stories about dad as fact. I completely became a puppet and would send nasty e-mails to my dad. Spewing back exact opinions that my mother had given me. Evenutally I refused to speak or see my father and for 5 years I completely cut him out of my life. I even changed my last name to spite him.

 

Now I am 21 years old. I have recently been working at establishing a lost relationship with my dad. We have both matured and are now working at maintaining open lines of communication. I see now that my mother has a lot of psychological problems that run deep. These problems dont only stem from the divorce but also from childhood  problems. Most of which I am fully aware about because she chose to confide this in me. No matter what happens if my mother knows that I am spending anytime with my father she will fly into a childish rage so inappropriate that often my brother and I end up feeling guilty.

 

I also feel that since I have moved out of my mothers house and am living on my own that i have abandoned my brother. He has to deal with secretly e-mailing my father and only being able to talk on the phone if she can listen on the other line. He is suffering at home and school and my father knows nothing about it. If we were to tell him any type of information about our lives with our mother she would become enraged. She always told us that if we left her she would kill herself.

 

The episode brought tears to my eyes today. Unfortunatly I feel that if my mother were watching she would have a completly different view on things. I know that she would think it was actually my FATHER who would alienate us. She would feel justified in destroying our realtionship because if the situation turned it would be my father doing what she has in fact done to us. She is none the wiser. but I thank god that i happened to flip on the tv today because knowing that I am not alone is a wonderful awakening.

 
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