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Topic : 10/14 Campus Crisis

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Created on : Friday, October 10, 2008, 02:47:32 pm
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Parents and college students, listen up! College campuses all across the country are dealing with issues relating to sexual assault, drinking deaths and hazing. Did you know that as many as one in four college women are victims of rape or attempted sexual assault? And that 84 percent of college men who committed rape said that what they did would not be defined as rape in their own minds? Know the safety tips and warning signs before you or your child is caught in a crisis. Dr. Phil’s first guest, Cynthia, is a mother in anguish over the loss of her daughter, 19-year-old freshman, Megan. Seven months after Megan was allegedly gang raped by at least three men in her dormitory, the student took her own life. Attorney Gloria Allred represents Cynthia in a civil lawsuit claiming that Dominican College failed to investigate Megan’s alleged attack in any meaningful way. Hear the bizarre and disturbing twist in this story. Then, meet another freshman who’s already had two frightening experiences in her first month of college that left her mother wanting to bring her home. Plus, learn what you can teach your teen before he or she heads off to college, and the top five safety tips all students need to know to protect themselves on campus. Talk about the show here.

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October 15, 2008, 10:45 am PDT

No, It is you people who are unbelievable

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well then we couldn't call Mom and tell her not to worry...pathetic!

Why don't you ask the guy why he attacked her instead of criticizing a victim?  

If she comes here do you realize what you are doing is retraumatizing her as well as other rape victims.  If she was your daughter would you treat her this badly.   Then you wonder why suicide rates are so high for rape victims and why there are so many rape victims.  Well it is because of people like you.  

Go Educate Yourselves.    
 
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October 15, 2008, 11:39 am PDT

Athletes are given a pass!

My daughter's roommate was raped by the college's soccer star.  My daughter was threatened by students on campus because she filed a report against the athlete.  I was worried about her safety, and got involved with the campus police.  Long story short, the soccer/rapist was allowed to play an important game after the rape, in which he scored the winning goal.  It took a week before college officials organized a review and expelled the student.  No charges were ever filed (my daughter's roommate left the school and never returned), and the reason for the rapist being expelled was never disclosed.
 
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October 15, 2008, 12:02 pm PDT

What are we teaching our boys?

If 1 in 4 girls are being sexually assaulted at college and 84% of the boys don't think that what they did was rape, why are we not addressing the attackers? Why is there not a show about why college boys are doing this? As a society we need to teach boys that this is unacceptable behavior and that they will be held accountable. Instead we try to teach girls how to protect themselves. The implicit message is that "boys will be boys" and it's the girl's responsibilty to not let it happen. If we stigmitized the rapist as much as we do the raped perhaps this would not be happening. Instead we protect the rapist (refer to Dominican College). Again, a "boys will be boys" response.

 

My dad always said, "If you don't want to get shot in a bar, don't go into a bar", so I understand that I have to protect myself regardless of whose right and whose wrong (they don't put right or wrong on your headstone). But we need to make college campuses safer, not teach girls how to survive in an unsafe environment.

 
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October 15, 2008, 12:46 pm PDT

10/14 Campus Crisis

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So I guess you would walk around in  a cage full of hungry lions  wearing clothes made of raw meat and that wouldn't make you an idiot for being killed and eaten?  Because honey, wearing provocating clothes at a  a frat house party  filled with drunk male teens is exactly that. 

 

You keep talking about MEN and WOMEN... and in that regard you would be right... BUT these kids aren't even dry behing the ear.  These are children.

Think about that.

We all need to make common sense choices and not be fools - of course!

 

Parents need to raise their childern correctly. To be respectful of one another. Parents also need to stop putting the blame on everyone else but themselves when something goes wrong with their child.

 

Lately people want to blame someone else for any inapproriate behavior. I don't care if a young girl is wearing a playboy bunny suit - if she dosen't want sex - that's it. If the young man is raised correctly he will not force himself on her. We can't abuse someone then say well she was dressed sexy, it's not my fault.

 

I'm so sick of people not be responsible for their own actions.

 
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October 15, 2008, 1:43 pm PDT

AMEN!

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Have you been raped? Do you know what goes through the mind of someone who has been raped? Do you have numbers of how many who are raped who end up killing themself or tried to?

You don't take a happy person who has no mental problems then they are raped and then they are depressed and such and say that rape was not the reason they killed themself. The depresson and such can also be the result of the rape in the first place. They go hand in hand.

I know very well that if I was raped, I would kill myself. Because to me, my life is over. Sure a lot of the girls raped are not virgins but that doesn't make any more awful. Being a virgin, who believes that the person who takes that away should Only be my husband on our wedding night because its the greatest gift you can give to your spouse. Because it shows, I made you wait so why would I cheat and such. And the fact that your having sex with every person that the person has had sex with is just a nasty thought in my mind. So to be raped and have that taken away from me, I would kill myself. They would have fully ruined my life.

So don't say that girl killing herself isn't a result of being gang raped. Its major factor. Surely there is a psychology of rape books out there.

Its the worst act that can be commited besides murder. It makes the person shamed of them self and who ever said why should the person should be ashamed? Are they suppose to feel okay? Are they suppose to feel great? No, they are going to feel ashamed because sex, for some that is, is only for someone they "care" about. I say "care" and for some considering sex no adays has no meaning to it. People have it because it feels good and they have nothing to do. People cheat and so on. If you want to cheat, don't get married. Don't ruin someone's life.

Rape ruins people's lives in many ways. I also know if I was raped, my love would kill who ever did it (if he gets there before my mom does). So if he goes to jail for killing my rapist, there isn't anyone there to stop me from killing myself.

Its sad that rapist don't go to jail for what they do. Thank you to who ever posted that Watch Dog webtsite. Went there to look at rapists. Sadly all I found was how many who prey on children that live around me. Of course keep in mind that those are only people who were caught. There are plenty more rapists out there who have never been caught.

I think I've read enough sad stories and sadly enough BS on this message board for one day.
You are SO RIGHT. I have known women who have been raped or molested, and the mental anguish these women have gone through has been terrible. And the reason for the anguish is the opinion of our society that THEY have done something wrong, not the rapist/molestor. Our society always asks the question, "What do you do to bring this down on yourself?" There's always some jerk out there who thinks the woman must have led the man on, or gave them signals that said they were willing, or that they really meant "yes" when they were screaming "NO!" or that they really wanted it when they were knocked out on Rohypnol or some other knockout drug. These are the things that our society blames on the woman, when we should be accusing and villifying the RAPIST.

It's no surprise that the women who have endured this treatment become despondent and suicidal after such treatment. They feel their value as a woman has been compromised or ruined altogether, and if the woman who has been saving herself for marriage or the Right Man, even more so. We have got to quit blaming the woman in these cases and should be supporting them and their right to justice and their right to gaining back their self-respect which was so violently stolen from them.

I wish that all my friends that have endured this would realize that this didn't devalue them in my eyes - it only made them more precious to me and made me want to protect them even more than before. But until the rest of the world starts to come around to the truth, these women will continue to feel that their entire being has been rendered worthless in these cases.

I also wish to commend the comment from the person who detailed so perfectly the various levels of ignorance that started with Domenican College and reached higher and higher in the community. The very fact that video of the rapists was "lost" is just b.s. and I hope Gloria Allred makes danged sure that they NEVER make the mistake of hiding the truth ever again. SIC 'EM GLORIA - MAKE THEM PAY!!!!!!!!!!
 
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October 15, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

Gimme a break

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Honestly, I thought the same thing while watching the show.  I'm sure she wasn't lying about the incident, it seems like the kind of thing you couldn't make up if you tried, but I did wonder about locking the door.  I realize that she was a really nice girl who probably liked to leave her door unlocked when she was in the room so friends could drop by, and perhaps it was simply a lapse of judgement on her part that she didn't lock the door, or maybe there is more to it that we didn't hear about. In any case, I'm sure a locked door would probably just have delayed the inevitable with that guy.
Are you for real? If this wierdo felt he "owned her soul", do you really think a locked door wouldn't have just antagonized this freak more? I'm frankly scared for Meghan to go to class today and find out what the reaction from this guy is going to be. He's bound to already be upset that he didn't get to take full possession of what he considered "his", and now the entire dorm knows he's been made a world-wide pariah.

Girls are raised to believe that we are nothing without a man, and we are taught to be "nice" to everyone. Meghan made the mistake of letting this guy get away with it two times, and on the third occasion she did what she ought to have done - called the cops! And the cops probably made her call her parents and let them know. I know the cops at my dorm in college would have done the same. Thank God I stayed in an all-girl dorm and had trusted friends in the rooms around me. I'm just sorry Meghan is being picked on here for doing what she ought - and believe me, folks, the first month of college is extremely eventful, and for those kids who are out in the world on their own for the first time, these kinds of occurances can indeed make a kid want to talk to Mom about what should be done. Meghan did what was right, and she's learned valuable life lessons without having to go through what the first girl endured until she took her own life. Making fun of these kids and making them feel responsible for the actions of others is just wrong and reprehensible in those of you who have no more respect or sympathy for these girls than you've shown her.

I just pray your own children never have to deal with these sorts of problems, and if you do, I sure hope your daughters know what to do and that they CALL THE COPS FIRST AND MOM SECOND.
 
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October 15, 2008, 2:07 pm PDT

10/14 Campus Crisis

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Why don't you ask the guy why he attacked her instead of criticizing a victim?  

If she comes here do you realize what you are doing is retraumatizing her as well as other rape victims.  If she was your daughter would you treat her this badly.   Then you wonder why suicide rates are so high for rape victims and why there are so many rape victims.  Well it is because of people like you.  

Go Educate Yourselves.    
PLEASE!! I was not cricizing the rape victim! I was just making a comment about the second Megan on the show who was whining about some creep bothering her but she clearly was enjoying the drama. Go back and watch the show.
 
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October 15, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

Amen Again

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You are SO RIGHT. I have known women who have been raped or molested, and the mental anguish these women have gone through has been terrible. And the reason for the anguish is the opinion of our society that THEY have done something wrong, not the rapist/molestor. Our society always asks the question, "What do you do to bring this down on yourself?" There's always some jerk out there who thinks the woman must have led the man on, or gave them signals that said they were willing, or that they really meant "yes" when they were screaming "NO!" or that they really wanted it when they were knocked out on Rohypnol or some other knockout drug. These are the things that our society blames on the woman, when we should be accusing and villifying the RAPIST.

It's no surprise that the women who have endured this treatment become despondent and suicidal after such treatment. They feel their value as a woman has been compromised or ruined altogether, and if the woman who has been saving herself for marriage or the Right Man, even more so. We have got to quit blaming the woman in these cases and should be supporting them and their right to justice and their right to gaining back their self-respect which was so violently stolen from them.

I wish that all my friends that have endured this would realize that this didn't devalue them in my eyes - it only made them more precious to me and made me want to protect them even more than before. But until the rest of the world starts to come around to the truth, these women will continue to feel that their entire being has been rendered worthless in these cases.

I also wish to commend the comment from the person who detailed so perfectly the various levels of ignorance that started with Domenican College and reached higher and higher in the community. The very fact that video of the rapists was "lost" is just b.s. and I hope Gloria Allred makes danged sure that they NEVER make the mistake of hiding the truth ever again. SIC 'EM GLORIA - MAKE THEM PAY!!!!!!!!!!

As I mentioned before, I never reported what happened to me, I feel badly about that because I know that exposes other women to the same danger from these people. However, I knew that I didn't have the stamina (or the courage) to face the uphill battle that is the legal system. These people had already ripped apart my self-respect, my trust, and my sense of safety. I couldn't bear to throw open my personal life for the jackals, like so many of the people who have posted comments have been, to pick at and rip apart and look for reasons to vilify me, when I was already blaming myself!

 

We tell rape victims, "You didn't do anything wrong, you shouldn't blame yourself, you need to trust the authorities, we'll take care of you!" We pay lip service to that, but look what actually happens when someone heeds that advice-her life gets infinetly worse!! Everyone, including the system turns on her! As a society we have to decide- WHICH IS IT? do we blame the victim or don't we? Right now we are talking out of both sides of our mouths and victims are being victimized by both the rapists AND society! Thats why so many rapes are not reported and so many victims, if they don't kill themselves, have at least thought about it. 

 
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October 15, 2008, 3:46 pm PDT

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I take serious issue with Dr Phil for "advising" Meaghan's mother to let her stay on campus even if another incident occurs. Better to live at home and commute to campus every day. Than to become a statistic. If Dr Phil had a daughter, I'll bet he'd make her move back home after the first incident.
 
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October 15, 2008, 3:56 pm PDT

10/14 Campus Crisis

While most of Thomas Kane's advice to college students was sound, "limit alcohol" made no sense whatsoever. First of all, it's illegal for anyone under 21 to even drink alcohol. Even though most seniors are old enough to drink legally, I don't think alcohol has any place on a college campus. And, how would you interpret "limiting" alcohol? One drink? Two? Three? Kane's advice should be No alcohol.
 
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