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(Original Air Date: 10/15/08) During high-stress times we all seek relief. But some people are unable to find an outlet for their pain, and they resort to the drastic act of suicide. Dr. Phil hosts an honest and open discussion about this serious topic in the hopes of saving lives. His first guest is Eric Steel, director of the controversial film The Bridge. The documentary showcases people taking their lives by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, CA. Is this a snuff film or does it raise awareness and create dialogue about this devastating epidemic? Then, meet a couple whose friend's last moments were captured in the documentary. You'll be surprised to hear how they feel about seeing his death on film. Next, did you know that more than half of American college students have considered suicide at some point in their lives? Casey, 17, was bound for college and a bright future, but cut her dreams short when she, too, jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. Her parents share their struggles, including why they blame themselves for her death. And, Dr. Thomas Joiner, psychology professor and author of Why People Die By Suicide, talks about a personal loss that inspired him to devote his professional life to suicide prevention. Find out what he says are the three common traits exhibited by some considering suicide. Plus, learn the critical warning signs to watch for that could be the difference between life and death. And, if you or someone you know is considering suicide, call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at (800) 273-TALK. Join the discussion.

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July 31, 2009, 12:06 pm PDT

07/31 The Bridge Controversy - Tragic Choice

i rarely watch dr phil show because it is for "tv" and ratings and thus, is not 'real>"  however, today i was flipping through the channels and caught that it was on suicide so i tuned in.  i have been "chronically" suicidal for years . . . almost everyday because i have a severe dissociative disorder and there is no magic pill - only years of therapy - and it is difficult for me to trust anyone because my trust had already been violated before i went to therapy - and then a therapist violated my trust and so i have a hard time trusting even professionals. the dissociative splits are debilitating and being fragmented is very difficult.  i was not properly diagnosed until i was almost 40 - i am now in my 50's - never married, no children, little joy, no money (on social secuirty).  there is definitely a "surviivors instinct" in all of us - the power of life force to keep living - however i have set a date for myself (a few yaers away) and if i am not making progress by then i will  probably end my life because of all the pain and dealing with this disorder for over 30 years.  PAIN is the reason people kill themselves - whether physical of psychological - PAIN CAN BE INTOLERABLE! anybody who says "how can anybody do such a terrible thing" has never experienced intolerable PAIN that NEVER ENDS! especially when it is hard to tell someone about the PAIN and especially when you have to try to make a ilving with all the PAIN. i never judge anyone who kills themselves because like the dr. said on the show the people who do it are fearless . . . . it is a very hard thing to do even with all the pain and hoplessness (in mycase that i will never be better.) so if someone does it - then their pain had to be so BAD THAT THEY COULDN"T STAND IT.  imagine a severe swimmers ear infection or tooth pain - if it could not be fixed what would you do??? you would kill yourself. i call the TALK number often.  it helps sometimes.  for the family of the young woman who killed herself - just remember that you really have no idea waht was going on within her.  in some way survivors of family members who kill themselves are the ones who are being selfish because they want their family member back even though they were in intolerable pain.  also - for once- i agree with dr phil that the good that can come out of this tragedy will never be worth the price paid.  if i ever get better - i tend to be a speaker at psych conferences and go on the university circuit to talk to future shrinks about dissociative disorders - if i ever get better i cuold have a good life - but the good that can come out of me having this disorder will never be worth the price paid - the damage it has done to my life over the laslt 30 years is sad.  also - my philosophy on things is that life is imperfect - we have feelings and emotions and if we did not then we wouild be unaware of ourselves - but there is a price to pay for our humanity and that is we can be hurt, we can dissociate - we can even kill ourselves. .  but we certainluy would not like life to be perfect.

 
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July 31, 2009, 1:23 pm PDT

an honest question

I am asking an honest question, please do not take this an attack of any kind. But could someone please tell me, explain to me, help me understand why killing yourself is anyones business but your own? why is it illegal to attempt to take your own life? why do others think they can judge what you can take in your life? to me it is somewhat like after having a horrible accident, where you should have died, but doctors saved you, only to live the rest of your life as a vegetable. why is it up to the doctors whether or not this is a good quality of life for you? i understand that people left behind are hurt, devastated, left to live with this for the rest of their lives....i get that. yes, it's a permenant sollution to a temporary problem, but how long is temporary? days? weeks? years? i am not advocating suicide.....i guess i am advocating minding our own business. who am i to tell anyone what they can and cannot handle/deal with/live with? would i want my child to kill himself? never. do i want him to suffer in his mind, the one place you can never escape from? never.
 
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July 31, 2009, 1:37 pm PDT

I sort of get it...

On the show where everyone is talking about suicide, I have some sort of understanding on both sides.  I am on anti-depressants and have been depressed for many years.  There is a family history that runs in my family of depression.  I have thought of suicide before, as an adult and when I was younger as well.  Every time I have ever thought about it, I just couldn't bring myself to actually going through with it.  In the back of my mind I would always remember My Daddy telling me that you will have bad days, but no matter what tomorrow will bring a new one....It sounds corny I know but it is true.  It put things into perspective for me.  No matter what happens in my life there IS NOTHING that I cannot get past.  I am a mother and wife now and although I still have mood swings and I do get frustrated with things I can never imagine making the choice to leave my children at my own hands.  You would literally have to kill me yourself to make me leave my children.  Like I said I understand from both sides but IF there is anyway to help someone realize that things in your life..NO MATTER what it is will be OK....I am here to help!  I am going to school now and am living a great life, not PERFECT but great.  Everyone needs to realize that there is NO such thing as perfect.  Everyone has problems, stress, financial issues..but you have one life, one chance at it...PLEASE DO NOT THROW IT AWAY!!  JUST ASK FOR HELP!!  There are MANY people that will help!!   I will pray for all of the families on the show and the many more that are still not known.....Everyone, just say a little prayer that someone out there who is contemplating this will see the show and realize that they have options!!
 
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July 31, 2009, 1:38 pm PDT

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I lost my father to suicide 16 months ago and this man is glorifiing it - he needs to talk to the survivors left behind and he would rethink this movie!
  I understand how  you would think that he was glorifying suicide. My son committed suicide at  the age of 17, 1 year and 4 months ago. I am so glad that Dr. Phil and the filmmaker decided to make this an important enough issue to discuss it on national t.v. where it can get the recognition it deserves in order to help those of us left behind. The truth is that someone dies of suicide every 16 minutes in this country and we need to be more pro active in dealing and talking about this highly sensitive subject. It's really all about educating and spreading the knowledge. We may not be able to save everyone you wants to end their life but we can at least do everything we can to prevent others from having to suffer the loss of a loved one this way.
 
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July 31, 2009, 1:41 pm PDT

Tell Them

If you are suicidal, or know anyone who is, please read this. The feeling that you feel, are just for a time. In two hours from now, in the morning, or in a day from now, you will not feel the same. You will not feel those same feeling you are feeling now. WAIT. Wait them out just like one waits out a storm. When your feelings change, you want to be around to experience them.  Don't let one moment of your life decide your whole life. Go be around people. Right now. Go to the museum, Go to the library. Go to the mall. Go for a walk in the park around people. What the children play. You go play. Just do anything you can until the feelings pass. They will pass. We only want to kill the feelings, not who we are.

Do not do to yourself, what you would not do to another. Wait.......wait...........wait out the storm.
 
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July 31, 2009, 1:41 pm PDT

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I am asking an honest question, please do not take this an attack of any kind. But could someone please tell me, explain to me, help me understand why killing yourself is anyones business but your own? why is it illegal to attempt to take your own life? why do others think they can judge what you can take in your life? to me it is somewhat like after having a horrible accident, where you should have died, but doctors saved you, only to live the rest of your life as a vegetable. why is it up to the doctors whether or not this is a good quality of life for you? i understand that people left behind are hurt, devastated, left to live with this for the rest of their lives....i get that. yes, it's a permenant sollution to a temporary problem, but how long is temporary? days? weeks? years? i am not advocating suicide.....i guess i am advocating minding our own business. who am i to tell anyone what they can and cannot handle/deal with/live with? would i want my child to kill himself? never. do i want him to suffer in his mind, the one place you can never escape from? never.
 you wouldn't want anyone to suffer physically or mentally but wouldn't do everything you could do to help??? We are all connected and I believe we should be responsible for every human being out there...
 
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July 31, 2009, 1:44 pm PDT

I get what you are saying..

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I am asking an honest question, please do not take this an attack of any kind. But could someone please tell me, explain to me, help me understand why killing yourself is anyones business but your own? why is it illegal to attempt to take your own life? why do others think they can judge what you can take in your life? to me it is somewhat like after having a horrible accident, where you should have died, but doctors saved you, only to live the rest of your life as a vegetable. why is it up to the doctors whether or not this is a good quality of life for you? i understand that people left behind are hurt, devastated, left to live with this for the rest of their lives....i get that. yes, it's a permenant sollution to a temporary problem, but how long is temporary? days? weeks? years? i am not advocating suicide.....i guess i am advocating minding our own business. who am i to tell anyone what they can and cannot handle/deal with/live with? would i want my child to kill himself? never. do i want him to suffer in his mind, the one place you can never escape from? never.
I understand where you say that it is a persons choice, but at the same time this is a LIFE!  Yes everyone has choices but if there is a teenager standing on a bridge in fromt of you fixing to jump, you are just going to sit there and say..O well its his/her life...You would just turn and walk away?  How can anyone with any heart do this?  As far as being illegal..I don't neccessarily agree with this. I think maybe having some sort of court ordered counseling would help.  Sometimes people who are suicidal feel alone.  They feel like they are ALWAYS standing on that bridge as people walk right on by.  Why not care enough to stick your hand out and help?  Sometimes being nosey can benefit a WHOLE family in the end.  What does a 16 yr old girl know about love?  Why should we sit back and say, It's her life if she wants to die over another 16 year old dumping her then so be it?  She isn't mature enough to realize that she is young and has plenty of living left to do!!  There are times where you shouldn't be nosey but in these cases..EVERYONE should be NOSEY!!!  If that was your son or daughter or sister or brother...would you really just turn your back??
 
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July 31, 2009, 1:46 pm PDT

It Is About Time

I lost my son to suicide a little over a year ago. I have worked with many people in marginalized groups throughout my life including suicide. Unlike many people, I was well aware of my son's difficulties. We worked very hard to overcome these problems, accessing any help that was make available to us. I noticed problems at about age 11 years. He suffered from symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia and like many people like him was a poly drug user with many long periods of complete abstinence. He was diagnosed as an addict. As he concquered his use of drugs his attempts became more and more life threatening. At the time of his death he was in top physical condition and autopsy showed no drugs in his system and no evidence of use for a long period of time. Also as he used drugs less he wandered more, to the point where every storm would herald a wandering trip, sometimes for days at a time.
I live in a large city, where I can pass 20 people wandering just as he did with no consciousness of their surroundings.
Our health system is, sadly, tremendously, lacking in adequate care for our most vulnerable of citizens. He saw many, many health care providers in many, many capacities and out of them two or three seemed to have an idea what was really going on.
I want to thank you Dr. Phil and the man who had enough guts to make this film for touching on subjects that are still shrouded in the dark ages mentality here in the 21st century.   
 
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July 31, 2009, 1:53 pm PDT

hind sight is not 20 20

 I lost my 17 year old son a year and 4 months ago to suicide and I will never be the same...none of us will.
I have been through all the "I should have done this and if I had only done that or maybe if I had been able to communicate with him in a way that wouldn't have shut him down or if I had been more open to the signs and aware of his moods the list goes on and on....The truth is is that I'm not the same person I was back then so I wouldn't or couldn't have done anything differently all I can do is make sure I don't make the same mistakes again with any of my loved ones. I think it all comes down to being able to forgive ourselves for being human but I do realize that since then I am less judgemental, more compassionate to others and try to keep myself open. It is a hard journey that I and many others are going through but we have to have hope and faith and keep reaching out to others. We will never get over the loss of our loved ones but we learn to get through it.
 

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July 31, 2009, 2:02 pm PDT

You have no right

No one has the right to film the last moments of these poor souls.
 
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