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Topic : 07/31 The Bridge Controversy - Tragic Choice

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Created on : Friday, October 10, 2008, 02:51:02 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/15/08) During high-stress times we all seek relief. But some people are unable to find an outlet for their pain, and they resort to the drastic act of suicide. Dr. Phil hosts an honest and open discussion about this serious topic in the hopes of saving lives. His first guest is Eric Steel, director of the controversial film The Bridge. The documentary showcases people taking their lives by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, CA. Is this a snuff film or does it raise awareness and create dialogue about this devastating epidemic? Then, meet a couple whose friend's last moments were captured in the documentary. You'll be surprised to hear how they feel about seeing his death on film. Next, did you know that more than half of American college students have considered suicide at some point in their lives? Casey, 17, was bound for college and a bright future, but cut her dreams short when she, too, jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. Her parents share their struggles, including why they blame themselves for her death. And, Dr. Thomas Joiner, psychology professor and author of Why People Die By Suicide, talks about a personal loss that inspired him to devote his professional life to suicide prevention. Find out what he says are the three common traits exhibited by some considering suicide. Plus, learn the critical warning signs to watch for that could be the difference between life and death. And, if you or someone you know is considering suicide, call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at (800) 273-TALK. Join the discussion.

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October 15, 2008, 3:19 pm PDT

AGREED!

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BRAVO!!!  &  WELL PUT!!!

 

Unfortunately, there are still way to many  small minded, self-righteous, missguided, idiots in our society who "think" that folks with mental health challenges such as clinical or major depression are just lazy or have a character defect!!  My only hope is that those fools at least one time in there perfect lives, experience the hell people like me, go thru when caught up in the throes of a major depressive episode!!!   Only then will those morons finally "get" the message!!!

What goes around comes around. At some point in their lives these judgmental people will be enlightened, and it won't be a pleasant experience.

 
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hopeful
October 15, 2008, 3:20 pm PDT

It's a family issue, like dna

When I was 13, my mom took an overdose of pills. She almost died.  Three days later she came

home from the psych ward and life went on.  Being from a very small town in NJ..my life changed with this news.My father had hooked up with a call girl the night before she did this, and the girl called my mom when he didn't pay her enough. It was also their anniversary.  WE never talked about it.  But the focus

at my Junior High was now 'that incident'.  I left class one day and said, 'I think I will kill myself'.

Life changed more... and I was in the schools phychiatric department once a week   Two years later, I did try.  Only my parents knew... but I was so depressed. Twenty years ago, I was diagnosed with depression.

I have been 'in treatment' for most of my life.  No surprise.  My father married many times, and was estranged from his three daughters.  17 years ago he blew his head off.  I knew he had tendancies to do so and had asked his bride to please remove his guns from the house.  She didn't and six months later

while she was out of town, he managed a shotgun to his head and pulled the trigger.  Done.

Knowing that this is a family matter, I worry sometimes that I will get to that point.  No passion, no

real feelings about anything.  The show today caught my attention.  I am glad it caught my attention.

I have been in an awful funk for months and although I am not thinking about suicide, I don't have any

hope I will get better..  When asked this question by my new doctor, I said " I don't want to kill myself, but

I seem to take risks that could lead to that..  " driving fast, etc.... I fear one day I will say

'that's it'.  But I remember how we felt as kids that both of our parents wanted to die. Both felt hopeless.

I want to climb out of this hole I am in...  don't have the energy to do so.. or want to do so. .  Shows like

this one remind us how awful suicide is to families.  The movie, I doubt I will go see..  too close to home.

I have a wonderful family. and they love me, as I do them. And God willing, I will never leave them

to deal with suicide.  It's an awful choice, but one that ends the pain.  Thank you for the forum to release

these thoughts.  Thank you very very  much.

 
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October 15, 2008, 3:22 pm PDT

10/15 The Bridge Controversy - Tragic Choice

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I hope people learn from this. All my life my parents told me what a burden I was and how much better life they could have if they didn't have to spend money on me. It made me want to kill myself. Don't parents realize that? That couple was the proximate cause of their daughter's death with their words. No one wants to be a burden.
Don't ASSume that because your parents considered you a burden, Casey's did, too. All Casey's mother said to her was that, given what they were going to spend sending her to college, she ought to show them some respect. NO parent, Casey's, or anyone else's, is obligated to pay for their adult child's college.
 
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October 15, 2008, 3:24 pm PDT

The Bridge Controversy

Having lived with depression, thoughts and several attempts of suicide over the years, I do know how a person in this state of mind feels.  I do understand.  My last "attempt" at the age of 43 will be my last.  With the support of my husband I was able to finally find the help that I so desperately needed.  Finally people were not telling me that I was "crazy", had "mental" problems.........other people are the worst enemy of  a

depressed person, they have no way of knowing or understanding what is going on and unfortunately many of them don't take the time to try to listen or understand. 

I am here to say I AM ALIVE.....I AM HAPPY TO BE ALIVE!!!  I know how difficult it is to believe that it will

"get better" or that things will change, but it CAN GET BETTER, it CAN CHANGE.  You need to have faith in YOURSELF and in God.    If you have to search for the right help then keep searching, it is out there somewhere, you may just have to dig a little deeper for it.  When I think about what I did to my family, more importantly to myself, it makes me sad.  I wish I could help people during this part of their lives.  I am here if anyone needs someone to listen.......lol.....or to type too.  Please don't hesitate.

 
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quiet
October 15, 2008, 3:27 pm PDT

The Bridge.......

I am from San Francisco and I have a friend who's father jumped from the bridge..I watched this documentary and  I appreciated the way that it was done  humanizing the people that had jumped from the bridge, I have problems with the people who had said hey why can't these people just get help it isn't always that easy you have to understand the frame of mind that the person is in but you really can't unless you have felt that pain. I think that we are all so caught up in what is going on in our own lives we can't see past ourselves in seeing this documentary I understood more about the draw to the bridge and I have realized that I have more compassion for others than I thought I could what saddens me is that the people who were right there when some of these people jumped and did not intuitivly know that something wasn't right but just watched the people jump I wonder if we were more in touch with each other as human beings would we , could we help one another.....have we lost our compassion for one another? I hope not
 
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frustrated
October 15, 2008, 3:28 pm PDT

your brave

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... I've had people in my life who have committed suicide, and have considered it a possibility for myself at various times in my own life. I'm not sad or depressed, but I think it should be my choice to say, 'Okay, I've had enough of this life,' and make an exit. People should pay more attention, and listen to my reasons, and accept that if I made that choice, it's okay because it's my choice to make. I get tired of hearing that suicide is selfish and other things along that vein.

Just my thoughts on the matter.
Your brave for saving that and alot of people would even put you in prison to keep you from doing or even saying that.  I know what you are saying.  Some times it is like 'I've stayed too long at the party (long after it's over and everyone has gone) and I'm really really, ready to go home now.....Sometimes I think that way.  I also think: Wow, I went through all that torture of grade school, junior high, high school, trade school then 4-years of college, plus 20 more years of b.s. paying taxes, stupid job, stupid relationships, and all for what?.....I forgot the point of it all.  In the end, I have no husband, no children, no job, no boyfriend and no one who gives a s*** about any of my for-mentioned so-called-life. God I just want to get out of here.
 
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October 15, 2008, 3:29 pm PDT

10/15 The Bridge Controversy - Tragic Choice

I comend you for your show today.  Much like drug addiction, homelessness, prostitution, to name a few,  public suicide is something that most often is seen but not talked about, even swept under the rug. All the above mentioned are things that happen out in the open, yet most times a blind eye is turned away, or and attitude is adapted that it "Is none of my business".  These topics affect everyone, and they need to be addressed and education about them is an on going process.  Should Mr. Steel be held more accountable because he filmed ( at a distance) then the person standing just yards away watching?  I don't think so.  Much like the question of who is responsible should a person wak infront of a train?  The rail company, engineer.... or the person themselfs?  
 
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October 15, 2008, 3:31 pm PDT

this movie is powerful

i saw  this movie and it was moving. i tried to take my life about 10 years ago. i finally got the help that i needed. i know what it feels like to want to give up. i think this movie can open a dialogue between people. for people that thinks this movie shouldn't be shown, they are mistaken.  the director didn't pay people to do this and if he hadn't been filming its not like they still wouldn't have tried.but maybe someone that is feeling lost may see this and say something, ask for the help they need. i never thought about how my family would feel if i would have succeeded.  this movie can help so many people,
 
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October 15, 2008, 3:31 pm PDT

find someone.. anyone

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i have been there i tried to commit suicide 3 times and have been sent to the hospital 5 times.  it is so hard to live in this world when nobody cares and no one is willing to help you. 

I have told my story on this issue, but I have one solution that helped me in my teen years and it

was probably what saved me from myself.  My doctor, the school shrink, noted I had two study halls in the mornings... so he had me go to another campus in our small town and work with the  special

education teacher with her class.   The one thing I learned from that experience was the gratitude these

kids had for every little thing you did for them...   AND I had zero, none, nada, reason to complain about my own life. It helped me so much.  I felt I had value.  I think that is what it boils down to.. value.

Find value in yourself... it could be sorting magazines at a nursing home, but do something that you

find value in.. there are so many out there that are dying, and would give anything for life.....

If you can help one of them, it might just save yours.  Just a thought.. but your hopelessness scares me.

I wish I could reach out to you and tell you someone does care. 12 step programs are all about helping

one another...  Think a SA would help the world?    Find someone to care about... the reciprical love

comes naturally.  God Bless.

 
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October 15, 2008, 3:32 pm PDT

on hold

I called the number that was on the screen and was put on hold. Is there another number....
 
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