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Created on : Friday, October 10, 2008, 02:51:02 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/15/08) During high-stress times we all seek relief. But some people are unable to find an outlet for their pain, and they resort to the drastic act of suicide. Dr. Phil hosts an honest and open discussion about this serious topic in the hopes of saving lives. His first guest is Eric Steel, director of the controversial film The Bridge. The documentary showcases people taking their lives by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco, CA. Is this a snuff film or does it raise awareness and create dialogue about this devastating epidemic? Then, meet a couple whose friend's last moments were captured in the documentary. You'll be surprised to hear how they feel about seeing his death on film. Next, did you know that more than half of American college students have considered suicide at some point in their lives? Casey, 17, was bound for college and a bright future, but cut her dreams short when she, too, jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. Her parents share their struggles, including why they blame themselves for her death. And, Dr. Thomas Joiner, psychology professor and author of Why People Die By Suicide, talks about a personal loss that inspired him to devote his professional life to suicide prevention. Find out what he says are the three common traits exhibited by some considering suicide. Plus, learn the critical warning signs to watch for that could be the difference between life and death. And, if you or someone you know is considering suicide, call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline at (800) 273-TALK. Join the discussion.

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August 1, 2009, 4:13 pm PDT

07/31 The Bridge Controversy - Tragic Choice

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Depression is an ILLNESS. Suicide is not a "choice." It's a last resort to escape the darkness of a terrible illness. Who in their right mind would take their own life? These tragic victims of Mental Illness are very sick! Not once did you or anyone on your show talk about MENTAL ILLNESS! Why? There were so many opportunities to bring it up. Please do yourself and your audience a favor and read S.J Hart's book, "Lies in Silence." She cuts through the "lies" and gets to the heart of the awful truth: mental illness is a terrible brain disorder that our society needs to learn how to talk about in honest open dialogue. Most doctors don't get it, most therapists and counselors don't get it. S.J. Hart gets it! Though mental Illness can be "managed" with medication, the terrible truth is that people who suffer with it , along with their families, live dark and lonely half-lives. Medication does not heal or make it better, it merely helps to manage-and not all the time either. I really pray for a major shift in consciousness in our society toward real solutions for all the victims and their families who suffer with mental illness. Perhaps on some future show, you can offer the whole truth about this ugly illness.
I counld not agree with you more.  People don't "choose" suicide, I am over 100% positive they'd rather live than die at their own hand.  They are just looking for a solution to their problem(s) and they can't see past the most perminant solution of all.  Depression takes so many lives and it is so unfortunate. 
 
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August 1, 2009, 5:18 pm PDT

Hi Y'all. They're discussing this on Dr. Phil's new blog, too.

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August 1, 2009, 5:28 pm PDT

Do keep hoping for better days, you'll find them

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Dont know if im at the right part ( my english isnt good). To be honest i think of suicide a lot these days. Cant get a way out of my feelings.Sometimes when im really down, suicide looks like the only way out. I feel sad for people family who have experienced this by someone close. Maybe its wrong to say but i know how the people who commit suicide feel.  If you know someone who fit the symptomes you really need to grap in before its to late.  At my case it is all taking to long, dont think i can wait a few weeks before ik get help. Keep hoping on better days.

 

Feeling sad for the family who have to go through this.

 

All take care !

I don''t know if you still access this board but I feel the need to express my concern.  I hope I have the exact words you need to hear/read to convince you that YOUR LIFE MATTERS. believe it or not yYOU HAVE A PURPOSE of being here. I know it seems like it's the end of the world, but I promise you it will pass.  I'm not going to promise that once you get past it this time, it won't re-occur.  I had to make one of toughest choices of my life to give up a man that my family didn't approve of.  I gave him up because I couldn't bare the thought of them make his life hell if I'd stayed with him. Today makes 17 months and there was 12 months of tears shed. The only time I didn't cry uncontrolably was when I finally went to sleep at night.  The nights seemed extremely short if you know what I mean.  Everytime I turned around it was morning and I had to face another day without him.  To this vary day I haven't gone a day without thinking about him.  It still creeps up on me and I'll think about the fun times we had, or I'll hear a song on the radio and start crying like a baby.  I know my problems seem minimal compared to yours but the truth is, no matter the reason, the effects of depression are still the same.  It feel like you're the last person in the world whose feelings are actually considered and no matter what you do, nothing makes it better, nothing.  I wanted to run away from myself so many times.  I never told my family or friends but I had thoughts suicide. I only thought about  it, I never attempted it! 

 

Things have since gotten better for me, I enrolled in a local college this week and I'm constantly looking for different ways to get the results I REALLY want in order for my life to become "my life."  I am a firm believer, no one "chooses" suicide, they are just needing a solution and that seems like the only one to rid them of their problems. I know that my issues with depression were strictly circumstancial and temporary and not chronic. What worked for me might not work for you or the next person but please know that suicide is not the only option.   If you're the type of person that needs to talk about it, find a friend willing to listen and guide you through the tough times, that what I did.  Rest assured, this too shall pass.  I wish nothing but the best for you.

 

If you do suffer from chronic depression I hope someone will post some Words of Wisdom that knows what it feels like.  I don't know what it feel like to live with day in and day out. As I said, I wish you all the best.

 
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August 1, 2009, 6:53 pm PDT

I'm speechless!

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My thoughts exactly. So glad I'm not the only one who thought this film was done in very poor taste. Did they have nothing better to do than film people jumping to their deaths?
I missed this episode.  Who was filming?  I can imagine any humane person filming a suicide and not stopping it or trying to stop.  Sometimes we're unable to stop things from happening but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.  Right?  My question is, what did they have to gain from the video?
 
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August 2, 2009, 12:26 pm PDT

Typo

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I missed this episode.  Who was filming?  I can imagine any humane person filming a suicide and not stopping it or trying to stop.  Sometimes we're unable to stop things from happening but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.  Right?  My question is, what did they have to gain from the video?
Sorry guys!  I meant to say I can't imagine any humane person filming a suicide and not stopping it or trying to stop it.  Just wanted to clarify so no one thought I agreed with the actual taping. 
 
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August 2, 2009, 1:52 pm PDT

07/31 The Bridge Controversy - Tragic Choice

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 If people would understand that you made a promise with God to fulfill this life. By killing your self, you just have to come back and do it all over again. no thanks, ill just try my harest to learn what im sopposed to learn, and then go on, who wants to do it twice. 

Please don't take this as a personal attack.  I will do my best not to make any assumptions about you or the way you believe.  But allow me to explain that no one WANTS to suffer from any degree of depression.  It is a feeling that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. It saddens me to think that some people never get rid of it.  I suffered with a mild case considering my situation and it was horrible. There is a feeling of being totally alone inside, I couldn't eat much because the very thought made me sicker and what I did eat I had to force down because I couldn't swollow.  I cried non-stop morning and night. There was a severe pain in the pit of my stomach. All of this continued to happen for 1 solid year, then I was finally able to forgive myself somewhat.  I still blame myself though. All I wanted was for that sick/empty feeling to go away never to return.  Depression is completely involuntary!!! There's absolutely nothing anyone can do to get rid of it except give it time and unfortunely, that still doesn't work for some people.  Looking back, I would have much rathered not done the things I did that caused me to lose a cherished friendship. I'm now realizing God allowed those events to take place to reshape me into the new person I am today.  I used to let my family walk all over me and was afraid to speak my mind, but not anymore. It also allowed me to continue where I'm going.  I made it past the depression, but my friend will forever be in my heart.  I'll never stop loving him!  Make no mistake, he did not pass away, it just that the situation that occurred came between our friendship.  I'm hopeing one of these days we'll get it back.

 

You said, "If people would understand that you made a promise with God to fulfill this life."  You see people who suffer with depression and are suicidal don't think on those terms.  The only thing they're thinking about is the fastest solution to their problems.  Considering God is a spiritual being, it is difficult and probably next to impossible for them to confide in someone they can't phyically see.  God is definitely my Savior, so it's easy for me to trust Him, but I have to admit, when I was in the midst of that depression I was so low that even I found it hard.  And for someone that may not know Him, it isn't so easy.  That's why we have to be careful in choosing our steps and words, so as to not judge them and send them running in the opposite direction.  Let's give them a reason to be curious.

 

 

 
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August 2, 2009, 2:37 pm PDT

Does God punish suicide?

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4 months ago, my sons 18 year old roommate commit sucide by lying down beside my son while he was asleep and pulling the trigger..My son has asked me many times since then if I thought his friend went to heaven or hell for his actions. I don't know the "correct" answer per say..but I have told my son, that I believe that GOD knew that his friend was sick and knew that he didn't know what he was doing. That is all I can really come up with to tell him..I do believe that what I have told him is true..but for my sons friend and his where abouts after taking his life, I question it myself a little bit..how are we to know? I know that some religions tell us that if we take our own lives then we are doomed to hell..but GOD is the all knowing GOD, he has to know that people that do this, are not themselves and don't really know what they are doing.

I truly believe that if one believes in God and they still commit suicide, God will not send them to hell.  I used to believe differenly because I felt like they were taking over God's responsibilty to end their life.  But now I feel that God is in control of every action made on this earth and maybe it was in His will.  I would like to think God is compassionate enough to realize everyone who commits suicide has an illness they can't control. I believe everyone has a specific time they have to die.  My dad was rushed to the hospital while suffering a heart attack in April 2004; he died and was resusitated.  I don't know God's purpose for the heart attack itself but I believe it wasn't his time to go.  If it is someone's time to go, no one can stop it.  We may be frustrated and wonder why they had to go, but we can't stop an act of God.   

 

My dad's sister and her family were camping in April 2000 and she suffered a heart attack at the camp site.  They called 911 and her son did CPR to no avail. She died!  i never understood why she had to die because she was one in a million!  But God decied her time on earth was finished.  My dad suffered his heart attack due to a 100% blocked circumflex artery in the back of his heart, which can not be detected on a normal stree test or EKG.  For this reason my dad's doctor told him he was perfectly fine, then later on that night after he ate supper he started having a seizure, his arms and hands atriphied and  he died. He had what is call a mild cardio infarction, where the heart just stops beating.  If he were in the same situation as my aunt he wouldn't have made it either.  We are convinced that both suffered their heart attack in the same area of the heart.

 
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August 2, 2009, 7:50 pm PDT

CBT

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Dr. Phil

 

Please do a show on CBT, and how to use it!

That is a wonderful idea!  I think it should have been incorporated into this show.  I have to wonder if the suicide stats would go down if people used this technique correctly?  I know it can but I woner if it would? 
 
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August 3, 2009, 3:05 pm PDT

I don't get this!

Well, I just finished watching a couple video clips of Eric Steel's contraversial documentary, The Bridge.  I've got such mixed emotions!  This is so disturbing for me. In his interview, Mr. Steel claims the documentary was not made to exploit those jumping off the bridge.  He said it was for the sole purpose to raise awareness of this growing epidemic.  But it's hard for me to believe there isn't some dregree of exploitation. He claimed he did aprox. 120 interviews of family member's of those he taped jumping and they agreed to the video.  However, I also find it hard to believe that anyone would "okay" their loved one's suicide being video taped for documentational purposes.  I certainly would not!  I do think that people need to be made aware, but not in this particular manner.   I mean do we really have to literally "see it" to know it happens everyday?
 
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August 13, 2009, 12:08 pm PDT

07/31 The Bridge Controversy - Tragic Choice

Quote From: shelly_80

I missed this episode.  Who was filming?  I can imagine any humane person filming a suicide and not stopping it or trying to stop.  Sometimes we're unable to stop things from happening but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.  Right?  My question is, what did they have to gain from the video?
It's been so long since this episode originally aired that I can't remember who did the actual filming. But, Eric Steele directed it. And, marketed it as a documentary.
 
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