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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 20, 2008, 11:56 am PDT

Everything is an Addiction Now

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It isn't the GAMES fault.  My goodness people.  Okay YES the games are fun, and mildly addicting, so what?  When did that give people a right to avoid responsibilty and blame their lives woes on a game.

Yes it is the fact that they are playing said game too much that is ruining their lives.  But no one is forcing them to play.  Okay so they are addicted, I guess I can buy that.  So pony up, take responsibility, and get help. 

I've played WOW *world of warcraft* for a few years now, and yes at times I probably played more than I've should.  Then again the last two years or so I've played hardly at all.  Why?  Oh I don't know I had a baby, I'm participating in my daughter's school, and class stuff.  Bascially I'm prioritzing!!.   I'm deciding whats important and whats not.  This is comming from someone who used to raid into the wee hours of the morning at times, with a daughter who was bound and determined to wake up at seven or eight am.  Did she not get fed because I stayed up to late?  Did she sit in a wet diaper till noon so that I could catch up on lost sleep NO NO NO.  I got my tired butt out of bed, and faced my responsibilities, and the consequences of staying up to late.

Whats wrong with society is that people don't want to take the consequences of their actions.  By saying that this game is the source of their problems you are giving them an out.  They can now say, "See it isn't MY fault, its the game."

Do I feel for the mother who lost her son.  Yes of course I do.  Is it horrible for his life to be cut so short, of course it is.  But come on it wasn't the GAME itself.  She says he was happy and well adjusted before, obviously not as well and adjusted as she thought or he wouldn't have killed himself over Everquest.  If you look at how many people play and claim they "are addicted" whether seriously or in jest if it was the GAME killing people you'd hear about it more often.   I'm I saying it is the boys fault?  That his suicide was right, or his "punishment" NO.  He had problems, he needed help, and he didn't get it.  Its horribly sad, but it happens.  If it wasn't Everquest or some other online game that took over his world it would have been something else.

And as for the wife whose husband needs to get off his butt, stop playing and get a job, she should stop paying for his account.  As a world of warcraft player I know you have to pay a montly fee that either gets deducted from your account every month, every three months, six months etc, however you decide to pay for it or you buy a gaming card.  If he has no job/money then she should stop giving him the money to play.  Cut him off at the source. 

It's time for people to stop misplacing blame, and fess up to life and responsibilities.  Everything in moderation right? 

I agree with you, people need to take responsibility for there own lives and they need to stop relying on tax payers like me to bail them out.   I would love to sit around and play computer games, sleep, and/or exercise all day, but guess what I don't because I actually take responsibility for my life and do something called work so I can pay my bills.  
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:01 pm PDT

Warhammer

Dr. Phil, thank you for tackling this issue. As we all know, World of Warcraft is a game for scrubs and should be exposed. That guy that spends 80 hours a day probably has not even got to sunwell yet. If any of these guys had any balls, they'd be playing Warhammer Online. Ignoring your children and or spouse is ONLY acceptable if you have a Tier 4 city siege.

So for those mothers and fathers wondering why your kids are so addicted to a worthless game that is all gear based and take zero skill, please show them the light and pick them up Warhammer, or maybe Call of Duty 4. Its time we expose WoW for the casual scrub game it is!

BTW Dr. Phil I know you play Warhammer Online. What server you on bro I want to play with you.

WARHAMMER ONLINE 4 LIFE
DESTRUCTION on DRAKWALD
SPRINKLES, TRIKUK, SOULAS, FAYLU
REPRESENT


 
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October 20, 2008, 12:09 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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Addiction is addiction, no matter what form.  Some people are addicted to drugs, alcohol, the usual suspects.  Others are addicted in less known forms such as shoes (my specialty), or prehaps butting into other peoples business.  We all seek avenues of blame, whether it's the drugs, alcohol, internet, our parents, our husbands/wives, etc., rather than deal with the real issues that are present in the relationships. (Husband/wife, parent/child, etc.).  I don't buy the couple on the show that claimed that when the husband wasn't on the game he was the perfect hudband/dad.  It may be what they want to believe, but I don't think that's the case.  More than likely, if it wasn't the game it would be something else.  What about the husbands that spend every weekend at the golf course, or spend all their money on NASCAR stuff, or stop by the bar every evening for a few before heading home?

My husband began online gaming (Everquest 2) and would spend hours on the game.  You know what?  I joined him.  Granted, we don't have little children.  Our son at the time had graduated high school and was attending our local community college.  To begin with we had to share one gaming computer.   We bought a second relatively quickly so that we could play together.  We both enjoy it and if we spend lots of time on the weekends playing the game, so what.  We have never been a couple that went out alot, often refering to ourselves as modern day hermits.  Introverts to the core, we prefer a quite home life.

I do see the problems in those families profiled on the show, but the games are not the cause.  They are only a manifestation of a deeper problem.  If you don't want to spend time with your wife, an online game is a great way to avoid her.  So is the local pool room, the local pub, the bowling alley, a friend's house, etc.  The fact that the one wife allows it to go on to such an extent (husband stays home with kids while she's at work) shows that she is an enabler, or prehaps she has too many issues herself to deal with that confronting the problem headon is too much to handle.  Personally I would crack the computer open and rearrange some of the internal pieces! 

Gist of this reply, quite trying to lay blame on inannimate objects.  To blame a game, you must include the computer/game station it's played on.  To blame the computer/game station, you must include the electricity powering the system.  So, ultimately, it's the fault of Benjamin Franklin, who, because he discovered electricity, caused these people to become addicted.  Quit making excuses for the poor state of your life.  Get over "if"- get on with "life".

 I wonder if the ‘addiction’ you have to shoes is ruining your life; that comment seemed rather flippant. You started the comment with, “Addiction is addiction, no matter what form.”  Then inexplicably ended it with, “Quit making excuses for the poor state of your life.  Get over "if"- get on with "life".”  There is a complete dichotomy here. If you had an addiction , or knew anything about them you would understand that one cannot just ‘get over it.’  What does, “We all seek avenues of blame” mean? I don't like blanket statements; I find them irksome, and this one I really don’t understand.  I have no addictions. Never have. I don't have the mechanism in my brain for it. I do agree that the husbands gaming habit  is an avoidance technique. You referred to the wife as an enabler then carried on to reveal you joined your husband in his habit. I am confused and unsure of what point you are trying to make.     
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:19 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: nordiquefb

Dr. Phil, thank you for tackling this issue. As we all know, World of Warcraft is a game for scrubs and should be exposed. That guy that spends 80 hours a day probably has not even got to sunwell yet. If any of these guys had any balls, they'd be playing Warhammer Online. Ignoring your children and or spouse is ONLY acceptable if you have a Tier 4 city siege.

So for those mothers and fathers wondering why your kids are so addicted to a worthless game that is all gear based and take zero skill, please show them the light and pick them up Warhammer, or maybe Call of Duty 4. Its time we expose WoW for the casual scrub game it is!

BTW Dr. Phil I know you play Warhammer Online. What server you on bro I want to play with you.

WARHAMMER ONLINE 4 LIFE
DESTRUCTION on DRAKWALD
SPRINKLES, TRIKUK, SOULAS, FAYLU
REPRESENT


En anglais s'il vous plait... Mmmm I guess it's not french, but it's definitely a different language.
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:23 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Yeah, I've got to say... this is nothing more than a product of people speaking about issues they don't understand. This is the same tone of voice voice that said Rock and Roll music was bad, the same tone of voice that said comic books were bad, the same tone of voice that said playing Dungeons & Dragons was bad...

It's all bunk. The only people addicted to videogames are the people with addictive personalities; those people could probably become addicted to anything. A few isolated incidents and some sensationalization does not make this a serious issue by any means.
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:24 pm PDT

i know how that woman feels

I hate to say it, but i know how that woman feels. My husband spends hours a day on the computer using

different messenger chats talking to his friends. When hes not on the computer hes on the phone talking with them. I barely see him ever. I also sleep by myself. He always sleeps on the couch downstairs. I always try to get him to spend more time with me but then he complains so i just leave him alone.

 

 
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October 20, 2008, 12:30 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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OK... To all the wives/girlfriends out there who complain about the gamer hubby....

I would like to remind you all that I am the wife of a gamer so I know a little of what I am talking about here.  I would also like to remind you that your hubbies didn't wake up one day and decide to spend 10 hours on a video game for the first time.  You knew getting into the relationship.  You knew moving in together.  You knew getting married that they were gamers.  If you didn't, then you didn't know your hubby.  This is not the kind of addiction that comes on quickly or out of the blue.  If you didn't like the fact that they were gamers you should have gotten out of the relationship.  No one should get into a relationship thinking that the other person will change when you get married/have kids/ask them to. 

My hubby is a WoW gamer and spends his $15/month like a champ.  He could be out drinking or doing drugs, but his addiction is the computer.  I am fully aware of this and have been since we moved in together.  If you didn't know or think this is a new addiction of your hubby's, then think real hard about all of the Everquest that they played or the NCAAF on XBox.  These are the signs you shouldn't have missed and will now cost you dearly.

Get over the fact that they are gamers or don't get into the relationship to begin with.
just so you know my husband knew nothing about video games when i met him. His friends taught him how to play and now he wont get off the computer. so what you say about knowing they are gamers before u marry them may not always be the case.
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:32 pm PDT

wow

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Good question...

I was on the show as a guest, so I guess my excuse is I want to introduce myself and start talking to people about the issues raised on the show because I'm really passionate about recovery from online gaming addiction.

Online Gamers Anonymous can help...

www.olganon.org

My blog will have a new podcast tomorrow night at 7 pm Eastern time.

www.exgamer.net

Thanks everyone for your interest and support!
i just saw you on the show. good luck with everything. hope everything turns out good for you.
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:32 pm PDT

I feel your pain

I am a 21 year old mother of one and live with my  husband at his parents house.  We have been trying to save for a house of our own for almost a year and with me not working its taking forever - we are so stressed out.  My husband is (in my opinion) addicted to World of Warcraft.  He works midnights which means he sleeps all day while I take care of our daughter.  He wakes up mid-afternoon and goes right to the computer to play this game.  If I didnt "nag" so much he would be on it all day and night.  


I wish I could destroy the game and the person who created the game.
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:35 pm PDT

are you kidding me

Juli you gave that bum enough time. If your son was right and he pushed you that should be enough to leave him. He has no love for you. There is not a video game made that has better equipment than you Juli. I would rather spend 80 hours a week giving you foot massages and leg massages and talking than play video games. Dump that bum and find someone that really loves you.
 
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