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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 20, 2008, 12:38 pm PDT

Thank-you!!!

I'm glad you did this show! When he said it didn't cost him anything to play, that's not completely true either. You have to pay either a monthly fee or pay for pre-paid minutes to play....the game he is playing is World of Warcraft and my husband played for about a year and a half.

 

Actuallt when I saw the preview for this show last week I actually thought to myself "I wonder if they're talking about WOW" and sure enough that's the game he was playing. World of Warcraft is horrible. I know a family that was just like this and maybe even worse. I understand that gaming in general isn't really that bad but the thing about WOW and some of the other games is that people feel the need to play hours on end to actually get great gain, it's part of this competetive nature of the online community, and when they enter raids and big battles you are usually playing at least 3 hours just to complete a main task, and they can do these every night. There would have to be en emergency to be able to just get up and walk away from the computer...

 

I personally think that games like these should have a component that the characters need so many hours of rest and if they do not get it, they take more damage and are less productive so that people have to take a night off every 3-4 nights. I think it would help. Also the fact that WOW actually has a button you can order food with so you don't HAVE to get up and order a pizza is ridiculous. 

 
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October 20, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

Virtual Chaos

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Just like anything, gaming can be addictive. So can shopping, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc... If a person has an addictive personality, he/she can be addicted to anything.  I game between 8-14 hours a day, sometimes less.  What I had to learn was balance.  Now, when I had nothing in my life it was sleep, wake up, game, go to work, come home, game, sleep, and repeat.  I could not imagine losing a job for it; however, I can see where it gets in the way of relationships.  What is ironic is that I met my current live-in boyfriend in an online game over a year ago.  Now, he is here and has no interest in gaming because he has me (which confuses me), while gaming is still my favorite hobby just like it was when I met him.  I guess he had other reasons for gaming.  So, I still game.  I did have problems spending time with him, but now I make sure that other areas of my life are met before I cross to the void of gaming.  Gaming is my way of relieving stress.  Work, him, and life in general incur stress.  So, you know, you do what you gotta do.  I feel some people think it is an addiction if people actually pay to play online and/or spend over an hour a day on the game.  Wrong.  Just because it is not understood does not make it addiction.  Think of it this way, if you watch sitcoms on TV for over an hour, then would you say you are addicted to sitcoms on TV?
I am a mom of 3. My husband and I both played WoW (World of Warcraft) alot for a while but not enough to neglect other real life duties. We have since gotten bored with the game and canceled our accounts. I can see how people can get "addicted" to the game. It is made to be an involved game some people take it to far as with anything like has been said just like shopping, sex, drugs, ect.. There are things impelemented in the game that can limit how much time is spent on the game and as far as that goes whomever is paying for the game (the wife who is supporting her husband without a job) go into account management on the game and cancel the subscription. Cancel the credit card that is being used to pay the monthly fee for the game. There are things in the game such as parental controls that will cut the game off after a certian amount of time played. It isn't as hopeless as people make it sound.
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:43 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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Dr. Phil, thank you for tackling this issue. As we all know, World of Warcraft is a game for scrubs and should be exposed. That guy that spends 80 hours a day probably has not even got to sunwell yet. If any of these guys had any balls, they'd be playing Warhammer Online. Ignoring your children and or spouse is ONLY acceptable if you have a Tier 4 city siege.

So for those mothers and fathers wondering why your kids are so addicted to a worthless game that is all gear based and take zero skill, please show them the light and pick them up Warhammer, or maybe Call of Duty 4. Its time we expose WoW for the casual scrub game it is!

BTW Dr. Phil I know you play Warhammer Online. What server you on bro I want to play with you.

WARHAMMER ONLINE 4 LIFE
DESTRUCTION on DRAKWALD
SPRINKLES, TRIKUK, SOULAS, FAYLU
REPRESENT


Are you kidding me? This is one of the reasons that I quit playing WoW and Warhammer People like you.
 
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October 20, 2008, 12:57 pm PDT

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i just saw you on the show. good luck with everything. hope everything turns out good for you.

Thanks for your good wishes. I haven't seen the show yet. I'm at work until 1745 h Eastern time. My wife's at home watching right now.

 

Thanks everyone who's watching with an open mind, and please say a prayer for Fred and Juli!

 

-Brad

 

www.exgamer.net

 
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October 20, 2008, 1:05 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

I believe they're demoniac spirits behind some of those games that control people who play them and get into their live to destroy.

 
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October 20, 2008, 1:05 pm PDT

Second Life

I don't know if anyone is familiar with this "game" but my stepson "dumped" his girlfriend and their baby for a girl he met on Second Life. She turned out to have lied about most of the things she told him and they never even met (though, he was going to MARRY her sight unseen).  It's sad that people so badly want to escape reality that they ruin the only real life they have. 
 
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October 20, 2008, 1:06 pm PDT

Thank You Stingrae!

My husband and I are both gamers. Before our daughter,  we played in any of our spare time and yes, we would binge on the weekends. But now that we have a 2 1/2 yr old daughter, we game together AFTER bedtime. It's called being RESPONSIBLE. To all the wives out there sick of their gamer husbands, would you rather your husband have an "outside the home" hobby? If you marry a gamer, expect to be married to one. Like everything else in someone's life, moderation is the key.

 
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October 20, 2008, 1:19 pm PDT

Girlfriends against WoW

Dr. Phil, I am so glad you did a show on this topic as it has really struck a cord with me.  My boyfriend and I have been together for 4 1/2 years and he has played wow for the duration of our relationship.  We have lived together for the past two years so I have seen and experienced first-hand the negative side effects associated with this online game (like many other games).  My boyfriend wakes up 2-3 hours before he has to leave for work in order to play, he goes to work on the daylight shift, and plays all night when he comes home.  And, that's just during the week.  Weekends are even worse.  I do regularly ask him to limit his time on the game but I know that he will never completely stop playing it.  It does create a barrier in our relationship because all of the time spent playing the game is void time in our relationship and in my opinion, it's time that could very well be spent doing something more productive.  It's not possible to hold a conversation with him while he's playing and I get easily frustrated because of this.   The funny thing is that he once told me that I should be happy that he plays WoW because if he didn't, he could easily be out at clubs drinking and partying all the time.  Is that really the ONLY alternative?  I think not.  I could easily tolerate it if it was just a hobby.  But even a hobby doesn't consume that much of your life.

 
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October 20, 2008, 1:20 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Spending more than 2 hours on games when you are a grown man with several children is obsurd!

 

I'm somewhat a gamer (Playstation, Nintendo) but I only play a few hours at most a week. Usually when the baby goes to bed the wife and I may play for an hour or so. We play the Wii.

 

 But to play on the PC for 80hrs a week is disgusting. A 34 yr old man should be spending 8 hrs a day looking for a job, to support his wife and kids.

 

This guy is an idiot!

 
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October 20, 2008, 1:24 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

I'm a 36 year old housewife who's also an avid gamer. My husband and I both play online roleplaying games, we both play Xbox360. We grew up playing Atari and Nintendo, so it's nothing new for us. We actually met at a tabletop roleplaying game.

 

We have a home, we have pets, I hike 3 days a week for two hours a day with my dog, I cook, I clean, I do laundry, I PUT IT AWAY :D, and I take care of all the shopping and errand running. I also read like a fiend, I have my own library. My husband works 9-5, 5 days a week. We go out to dinner, we eat at the table every night together. We also play games together or apart maybe 20 hours a week. I don't think any of my characters are anything but pixels, I know for sure they're not real people.

 

That being said, I've come across people who are addicted to these games in my time playing. I'm glad there's help out there for them. Games can be fun but they can also take over your life if you let them. If you're one of those people, please get help. I'm hoping Fred will see that a video game life should never be a substite for real life.

 
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