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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 20, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

Good uses of gaming

Yeah the guests on the show are addictive to gaming. No surprise, that is how World of Warcraft makes money. But not all games are addictive. I grew up with Where in the World is Carmen Santiango, and math blaster. They were very educational. But they aren't on the shelves of electronics stores. Why not? Because the gamers are setting the market. Why don't parents insist on educational titles. Myst and Uru in the 1980s were similar educational titles, but Cyan is hurting for business. We need to get rid of these shooters and get back to gaming that helps our kids. Yes I am a gamer, I develop games through Cyans Fan created age licenses, and I teach. I also hold down two jobs, have been married for 23 years, and have a good family life.

 
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October 20, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

Virtual Chaos

I just watched the show and I've read a lot of comments.  I played World of Warcraft for almost 3 years.  It caused me to struggle with school, and social my life was a wreck.  The one thing I did gain out of it was the relationship with my boyfriend.  We live together now, and we both keep eachother from playing.  I sincerly believe that having a supportive network really helps battle this addiction.  I've seen lots of posts relaying this addiction to alcohol, sex, and the like, but it really isn't.  When you have an alcohol, sex, or drug addiction, you know how to get help.  You can go to AA, therapy, hospitals, even look information up online.  The worst part about this addiction is when you know you have a problem, you don't know where to turn.  There are TONS of information about how bad it is and how it can destroy your life, but you already know that.  The closest thing to help is the online gamers annonomous site, but that really doesn't help because you're trying to get away from the computer. 
    My boyfriend and I still struggle with this addiction.  We miss many aspects of it, but we won't go back.  We both realize now the distruction it can cause it tremendous.  We sat down together to watch this Dr. Phil episode to get more ideas on how to combat this addiction, but he really didn't say much about how to get help. If anyone has ideas, please post so that others know where to get help.
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:25 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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     Yeah, the game has no fault whatsoever.

 

    By the way, I'm formerly an Eastern Human Bard of Freeport known as Lynata, a level 60 powerpath Minstrel with 1236 class mastery points. On the playstation 2 version of Everquest Online Adventures on the Mar's Fist Server.

    Yeah, it's not the game's fault that it takes 24 hours of gameplay over two days 12 hours a day to gain just one Class Mastery.

    It's not the game's fault that Skaynir and Lady Vox only appears (spawns) two-three times a month.

    It's not the game's fault that Noxxious, Twins, Cazic-Thule, and others spawn even less than that, and there's always more than one household (guild) scouting their spawn points.

    It's not the game's fault that after level 45; quest mobs spawn more typically between five to fifteen minutes to appear once.

    It's not the game's fault that it takes at least 20 players minimum to kill level 60 epics

    It's not the game's fault that four years ago; the development team admitted character inbalance and begins class balancing forcing players to place even more time to develop their character at even the most basic elements of the game.

    It's not the game's fault that content above level 45 consists of requiring killing a single type of mob many many times for a single item to drop and requires the player to repeat the process an additional four more times.

 

     Just to make sure, I'm on the same page. The game's designers/producer should not take any responsibility for deliberately programming a game several factors to guarantee that a player must dedicate excessive time to attain a sense of accomplishment.

     If you're not a gamer, this is how MMORPGs work.

The game begins with a Continuous Positive Reinforcement. Players level their characters rapidly or gathers class mastery points rapidly.

Then, the game begins using a Fixed Ratio Method of Positive Reinforcement. Players begin leveling/cming less rapidly. And then less, and then even less until it takes 24 hours of game play to achieve a single level or class mastery. After that, it takes even more time to accomplish the same success therefore sense of accomplishment.

    These game's thrive on this design.

 

    The players must take responsibility too.

Games are meant for fun, not to be the highest level or to have the best items.. 
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:25 pm PDT

Wow add on this site?

Hello as i was looking around the site after watching this episode i came across a World Of warcraft add.

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lol i thought it was funny.

 
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October 20, 2008, 2:28 pm PDT

Something to think about.

Hi, I am 22 years old engaged employed and happy. I was watching the show, and a few things struck me. The first one is how Dr. Phil bashed the guy on his show in front of the entire country. Phil as a Dr. you should know that sometimes we get wrapped up in other people's problems so much that we make it a problem of our own, you making a laughing matter out of that guy on T.V. was wrong. I play World of Warcraft for 6-12 hours a day, and I enjoy every last second of it. The game can be a great thing for some people, myself being one of them. I spent most of my adolescence locked up, hung out with alot of the wrong people, did alot of wrong things. Online computer games give me something to invest my time into to enjoy myself. I would much rather sit up until 4am playing warcraft then go close a bar. I would appreciate Phil if you would do an observation of yourself, and watch this episode I believe you owe that man an apology. He seemed extremely embarassed.
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:31 pm PDT

World of Warcraft

This game is highly addictive.  I'm not the gamer type but when my husband brought it home and started playing I wanted to play as well.  Three years later we are still playing, does it cause problems of course but so does most other things.  Before we had our child we could play from the time we got off work to the time we had to go back to work.  If this game wasn't so addictive Blizzard would not have almost 10 million users.  Is it "bad"? I don't think so but im also playing the game.  Does it get old? Yes. Has it been a constant struggle between my husband and I? Of course.  What married couple doesn't struggle with everyday chores? As long as people can come to an agreement about play time, who gets to play "first" while the other watches the kids and so on. I can't see how it is a bad thing. My 4 month old loves to watch the screen and push buttons. I believe it makes him feel big. I don't see a problem with the game, it is the people who get out of control and "forget" to go to work, care for the kids, and the other stuff. My husband is one that rides the fine line between obsessive and under control. I love/hate the game but i know I can never take it away from him. He has to make the decission to quit if he wants to (so do I).
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:31 pm PDT

Are you serious?

Rather then blame video games for your problems, you should take a look deep inside and first figure out whats wrong.

I just caught the episode and must say I'm quite upset by what I saw. Kids killing themselves, husbands/wives spending all day playing games instead of taking care of there families, and the blame gets put on video games squarely?

Come on people wake up. It's not the games causing this it's some preexisting problem.

Now I know I'm going to catch a lot of heck for those statements from people, saying it truly is the games, I had no other problems before I started playing etc... but in all honestly you had the problems before you started playing, it just brought them out and in to attention.

If your children are playing to much don't blame the games. It's your fault for letting them do that, step up to the plate as a parent and put your foot down. If your spouse is playing all day and night and not tending to the family then say something and put an end to it.

The way people are so quick to place blame on something else this day rather then the actual problem is mind boggling to me.

Wake up people. It's not video games ruining your lives it's the lack of placing the blame on the real problem.
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:32 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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I say this for all of us who actually have to deal with the addict, this is not a joke. Your comment is not funny. These games actually tear apart lives!
QQ much? Turn off the computer, you make this sound like this is hard. Whats that? CANCEL ACCOUNT? ZO NOES! TIZ HARD AMIRITE? Learn to life.
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:34 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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i have something to say to those who think that it's the video game's "fault" for making their family member's lives go down the drain.  i want to know what the families of these game players were doing as they saw their family crumble. i'm only 17 and i know that if something was wrong in my family, we would all try and fix it the best way we can.  if i was having a problem with video games, my parents would just pull the plug on it.  why wouldn't these families do the same!?  its absolutely disgraceful that they would not take that step to help them out.  it's pretty much a no-brainer.  if they truly cared about their family, they would have done SOMETHING instead of just watch their lives go down the drain.  so really, who's fault is it that these people have video game addictions? the developers? no one has the proof to say that developers make games because they are addicting.  developers make games because it is their job.  the way the public reacts to the way they do their job is completely out of their hands and on the sole responsibility of the players.  think of the millions of games that are arguably "addicting".  now think of all the cases in the last 20 years of when some kid somewhere went crazy and did something drastic. maybe 5.  and that's a generous number.  now think of the ratio of games sold to addicting habits formed because of the game.  the number would be something in the range of less than one ten-thousandth percent.  is there really a problem? perhaps. perhaps people blow it out of proportion because they don't want their family member to be remembered as a loser who couldn't control something that is easily controlled.  so why don't you get the facts straight before you start pointing fingers.

Wow, for 17 you sound very intelligent.  The only thing I'd argue is that you underestimate the power of true "addcition" on someone who has an addictive personality.  However, you are right on the money when you say the game developers are not the ones to blame here. Gaming is not some conspiracy to make us all addicts and dullards.  Setting time limits on how often kids are allowed to play and keeping the computer in a common area of the house instead of their rooms is old news...it's been recommended for years, yet we'd still rather blame the developers.  That's just ignorant.

 

The internet has been around a long time now and don't think for a minute that the mother of the man who shot himself wasn't letting him play unsupervised for years, yet that was never mentioned.  He might have been an adult when this happened, but I'll bet money it had been escalating for years before hand.  I'm also confused at to what exactly the game had to do with the suicide. Are they implying that this guy killed himself because of something that was going on in the game? 

 

Ya know RPGs (role playing games) were around long before the internet was available to people who weren't computer savvy.  Back in the 80's kids were supposedly killing themselves because they confused their character in "Dungeons and Dragons" with reality.  Really?  I submit that if such things really happened at the "alarming rate" reported back then, these kids were very messed up before they ever started playing.

 

BTW, I'm not a gamer in the strict sense of the word, although I do play word games online quite often.

 

 

 

 
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October 20, 2008, 2:43 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

 My husband play (wow world of warcraft) and he still helps around the house and goes to work.  i also play the game.  I see nothing wrong with playing the game as long as you do what you need to do to make ends meet. For that mom that says that everquest is to blame for her sons death i don't think that its the game to blame.  He probalby had problems that she didn't know about or that anyone knew about the only that will know is him.
 
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