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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 20, 2008, 2:43 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

I can't resist throwing my .02 into this one. The guests stories from this episode are truly sad and I feel for those spouses and parents out there dealing with these problems. Thank you Dr Phil for doing this episode and not focusing on the game itself but rather the gamers and their problems. These issues are important because of the people involved. You will never stop the games, it's the wrong approach and for many people there is no problem. What you can do and should do is realise that there may be problems with the people around you and how to get involved in the right ways. Get into your children's lives and your spouses lives and help, no matter how hard it might be!
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:49 pm PDT

Its as bad as heroin

My husband plays World of Warcraft. He gets so angry when he is interrupted. He plays for hours on end. I use to play with him because it was the only way I could connect with him. But I began to see his anger, laziness, and disregard to responsibility in myself. I hated what was happening to me. So I quit. My husband has such an addictive personality, he can't seem to see how much of his life is being wasted. It is as bad as heroin. I worry about leaving my kids home alone with him because he neglects them, sends them to their rooms for hours so they will not disturb him, and gets very agitated when he has to do something like change our toddler's diaper. I have to beg him to do anything. The yard will go for weeks without being mowed. The real problem is that he is the only money maker for the family and he feels it is his right to play the game to "relax" after a hard day of work. In all reality, it is his way of shutting out the real world after he comes home from work. He doesn't pay attention to me, he doesn't play with the children and he only checks back in to the real world after I get fed up and have a hissy fit. I am done with the fits now. I just live my life around him. I am a full time home maker and I sometimes work a few hours a week at a local business. Those are the scariest times. I am so afraid of what might happen to the children while I am at work. Most of his friends have moved on from the game, but he still plays. He gives me a guilt trip almost every day about how he misses playing with me and wishes he had more time with me on the game. I want more time with him in real life. Let's take a walk, I say, he never wants to leave the house. He never wants to do anything. We go out 2 times a year; HIS birthday and our anniversary. And the whole time I get to listen to all the "funny" and "interesting" things that are happening in his game. I sometimes wish the game would just go bankrupt and go offline, but with 5.8 million players, that is not going to happen any time soon. We use the internet for everything. I use it to get news, e-mail, recipes, and stay at home mom tips, my son uses it for his school supplementation homework. But some days I want to rip the phone cord out of the wall just so my husband will pay attention to us.
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:49 pm PDT

SL Addiction so real and dangerous

Its great to have international exposure that Dr. Phil gives to this reality!

I been addicted and fought out of it as hard as I could, particularily hated the fact that no warning is placed on any form for new players. So I requested Linden Lab (The company responsible for Second Life). To add such a Warning during the new player signing process.

After all this is not new in 1982 the FDA (United States Federal Drugs Administration) requested food manufacturers to voluntarily label the sodium content of their products.

I also found myself in the need to create a personal blog explaining my reasons and logic behind this request, this simple request seemed so straightforward to me but raised so many voices it resembled a heated discussion in Babel.

The formal request to Linden Lab is here:
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1515

My personal blog reasoning is here:
http://monymarkovaaddiction.blogspot.com/

Thank you all trying to bring light to this new phenomenon!
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:49 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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OK... To all the wives/girlfriends out there who complain about the gamer hubby....

I would like to remind you all that I am the wife of a gamer so I know a little of what I am talking about here.  I would also like to remind you that your hubbies didn't wake up one day and decide to spend 10 hours on a video game for the first time.  You knew getting into the relationship.  You knew moving in together.  You knew getting married that they were gamers.  If you didn't, then you didn't know your hubby.  This is not the kind of addiction that comes on quickly or out of the blue.  If you didn't like the fact that they were gamers you should have gotten out of the relationship.  No one should get into a relationship thinking that the other person will change when you get married/have kids/ask them to. 

My hubby is a WoW gamer and spends his $15/month like a champ.  He could be out drinking or doing drugs, but his addiction is the computer.  I am fully aware of this and have been since we moved in together.  If you didn't know or think this is a new addiction of your hubby's, then think real hard about all of the Everquest that they played or the NCAAF on XBox.  These are the signs you shouldn't have missed and will now cost you dearly.

Get over the fact that they are gamers or don't get into the relationship to begin with.

If you didn't like the fact that they were gamers you should have gotten out of the relationship.

 

In regards to this comment relating to my own experience with this, there comes a time when it's time to grow up, take responsibilty for your family and the direction your life is going. My husband is a closet addict. He wont admit it to his friends that do not share his addiction(like he is embarrased). Since we got married, 2 children are being negleted as well as a wife.  I assumed that family would take priority over the game like it did for me, I used to play as well.  When families become affected, and marriages are in trouble, then its time to GROW UP and face reality.   SO many times I have wanted to take a baseball bat to his TWO ALIENWARE computers that were purchased while I was asleep but I know he would charge 2 more to replace them.  This is a huge problem for those of us who have to run the house while our spouse sitting their butt infront of the PC!

 

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October 20, 2008, 2:50 pm PDT

Curious Gamer

I wouldn't say i am addicted though i do play a couple. I heard the first guest today say that he doesn't pay to play WOW and i would like to know how he could say that. All of those big online games have a monthly bill that comes with it as far as i know so i was curious... how do you play wow and don't pay the monthly bill ???

Of course yes i understand that for him he is paying much more in regards to his life and his family life

 

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October 20, 2008, 2:50 pm PDT

Virtual Chaos!!!

  I have no idea who is more pathetic in your first story today, the husband Fred or his wife Juli!!! I would have pitched the pc & games on the front lawn a long time ago & hid the credit & debit cards.

   As for allowing  the kids to do what they like & using the games, I'd like to know who the children are in this household.

  Both my husband & I like the pc for keeping in touch with family & friends but to put your children's life on hold & not pay bills. Wow!!! I'd like to know who raised these 'parents' to LET THIS GO THIS FAR!!! My parents taught me a lot but most of all that you take care of your family. You only get one shot so don't screw it up.

 

   PEOPLE'S PRIORITIES TODAY HAVE GONE IN THE TRASH & THEY EXPECT OTHER PEOPLE TO CORRECT THEIR STUPID DECISIONS!!!!  ie: marriage councelling, therapy for the kids, & addictions help!!!

  Loving someone & respecting them goes both ways & if it turns into a one way street, it is time to speak up sooner rather than later.  No spouse or kids deserve this kind of neglect.

 

  Sincerely,

  Sherry

  CANADA

 
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October 20, 2008, 2:54 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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Wow, for 17 you sound very intelligent.  The only thing I'd argue is that you underestimate the power of true "addcition" on someone who has an addictive personality.  However, you are right on the money when you say the game developers are not the ones to blame here. Gaming is not some conspiracy to make us all addicts and dullards.  Setting time limits on how often kids are allowed to play and keeping the computer in a common area of the house instead of their rooms is old news...it's been recommended for years, yet we'd still rather blame the developers.  That's just ignorant.

 

The internet has been around a long time now and don't think for a minute that the mother of the man who shot himself wasn't letting him play unsupervised for years, yet that was never mentioned.  He might have been an adult when this happened, but I'll bet money it had been escalating for years before hand.  I'm also confused at to what exactly the game had to do with the suicide. Are they implying that this guy killed himself because of something that was going on in the game? 

 

Ya know RPGs (role playing games) were around long before the internet was available to people who weren't computer savvy.  Back in the 80's kids were supposedly killing themselves because they confused their character in "Dungeons and Dragons" with reality.  Really?  I submit that if such things really happened at the "alarming rate" reported back then, these kids were very messed up before they ever started playing.

 

BTW, I'm not a gamer in the strict sense of the word, although I do play word games online quite often.

 

 

 

i am only 14 and i play video games all the time [mostly mmo] but i know when to stop and i like to watch doctor phil because i like the infromation that he puts out but i really dislike this episode becuase im slightly addicted to video games but i know when to stop i barley ever get angrey and if i start to get angrey i stop. and i agree with you its not the Company that made the game its the people that doesnt know when to stop. i understand video game addiction because most of my friends have it and i find it really sad that innocent beens are put out to Gta 4 because thats a horrible game [even tho i play it alot] but you can do lots of horrible stuff for example go to a strip club and then beat down the dancers. its a horrible game. and so is all the other games that u kill people in.

and yes DnD was around Long before computers and you couldnt pull that pulg on that So i highly dout u can pull the plug on Games


Peace out ^^
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:54 pm PDT

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I have 2 boys ages 14 and 11. They both love video games and the oldest loves the rpg games. However I have a very strict rule of no EQ and no WOW. I have heard way too many stories of addiction associated with these games. I have rules for video games in general. On nice sunny days my kids are required to spend at least one hour playing out in the sun. They also have to keep up with school work and bring in good grades to even play video games. On the weekends if we go somewhere the psp stay at home. If then have done chores then they will likely get several hours to play video games. Now my youngest would rather be out riding his bike or playing with friends than to play a video game. My oldest is starting to like riding a skateboard. They still love games but they see there is more to life other than games. My 16y/o daughter started talking to this boy she knew from school. At first it was fine they talked every day and for long periods of time. At one point he told her that she was the only girl who made him want to stop playing WOW to spent time with her. She refused to talk while he played that game. After only about 2 weeks or so his calls became shorter and shorter and before long he was right back into that game. He has only 1 good friend and has never had a girlfriend. I think that's really sad. Parents need to take time to teach their kids that there is a lot more to life than video games!!!!!!!!!!
While that was certainly your daughter's prerogative to not wish to talk with him so long as he played the game, however it was practically inevitable this scenario would take place. She essentially ordered him to do something he did not wish to do. Of course I am unaware if she did not want him playing the game period whenever she was around or never wanted him to touch it. The latter is ridiculously unreasonable and the former will cause arguments depending how demanding she is.

Nevertheless the statement you made that his boy having few friends and not ever had a girlfriend is absolutely ridiculous. He is sixteen and frankly if his choice his to play video games, he is well within his rights to make that discussion. It is not like what we viewed on Dr. Phil; this young man does not have the responsibilities of a married man and does not necessary have to work.

At Twenty years of age myself, I am quite a technology addict given that I spend unbelievable hours on either a computer or video game; mostly on the former however practically never on a PC game such as World of Warcraft (a game to this day I have not played) and am quite capable and willing to do a variety of different things. I admit a vast majority of my overall activities require a computer (writing, music, friends)

However despite the shocking number of hours I spend gaming/on the PC none of the experiences showcased on today's show are even remotely accredited to my personality. So in essence I am addicted only in the sense I spread far too much time online, not in the sense it is damaging my life; it is nothing beyond a fun activity I choose to partake in.

The reason I typed this was to deal with the misinformed people who claim video games are an issue. Oh and before you ask, no I have not dated, although it has little do to with gaming. I have other goals and priorities that are indeed removed from gaming and am not interested in dating whatsoever.
 
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October 20, 2008, 2:54 pm PDT

my husband's addiction

I have to admit that I was really happy to see a show finally be done on gaming addiction.  I feel as though I suffer from this very serious problem just from living with it in my home day in and day out.  My husband is also a player of World of Warcraft but has played various role-playing games over the years, such as Ultima Online.  This is the one he played mostly while we were dating, but not so much in front of me.  I did not see the full addiction the way it truly was and is until after we were married.  We had a quick marriage after I got pregnant and once we moved in together he started playing more and more all the time.  He would let our baby cry "just for a few more minutes" so that he could finish something in his game.  Very quickly I learned that the game would always come first.  I'd ask him to do things like the dishes and he'd say, "In a few minutes."  Minutes would turn into hours.  He would forget about it by the time he'd get off the computer.  To this day we now have 2 children, an almost 4 year old and an almost 2 year old and I am a very busy stay at home mother who also cares for a 13 month old part-time.  I feel as though the burden of all the everyday household things are on me because of my husband's lack of interest in doing anything around here.  I do the bulk of the laundry, vaccuming, general cleaning, outdoor work, bill paying, etc.  I will admit that he is a great chef and loves to cook but he will use every pot and pan we have and leave the kitchen trashed in hopes that I will clean it (more than just your normal cooking mess, food spread out all over the place/the floor, garbage not thrown away, etc.).  I know that he suffers depression although he has a hard time talking about it - whenever I try to have any serious conversations with him he closes up and doesn't respond to me.  It's incredibly frustrating. 

 

He has now projected this obsession onto our almost 4 year old son.  My son plays games on nickjr.com, just nice preschool games, but he's getting to the point where he wants to be doing it far too often.  It is incredibly ridiculous to see my grown 27 year old husband fight with my 3 year old son about who gets to use the computer to play their game.  I know that my son observes his father on the computer all the time since as soon as he is home from work he is on there playing.  We'll be driving in the car from the grocery store and my son will say, "Daddy better be watching t.v. or cooking, NOT on the computer!"  He knows that those are the only three things my husband ever does, literally.  I find myself being the one dragging my kids out of the house on the weekends to go do stuff while my husband stays behind to have his "WoW" computer time. 

 

Another thing, we moved to North Carolina from Michigan almost 2 years ago and my husband has never made any new friends.  He keeps in touch with all his old friends through playing "WoW."  His one friend calls him daily so that they can discuss their stats or what ever else they plan on doing that evening. 

 

I am tired of our weekends being eaten up by "WoW" playing.  I feel incredibly disconnected from my husband and resentful, yet also stuck and unsure of where to go and what to do.  I did call a marriage counseler today and left a message, have not yet heard back.  Although we have very little money to spare once the bills are paid I am thinking that we may need counseling no matter what the cost to help save this marriage because I just do not think I can put up with this forever long-term.  I know there are other great men out there who would be more than happy to take my kids out to the park, to the beach, to teach them things, and not just sit in front of the computer and yell at their children to go away so that they can play a game.  In a lot of ways, my husband is like Fred who was on the show today, and that scares me.  I think A.D.D. must play into this as well, as a lot of gamers out there seem to have it, and my husband was diagnosed w/ it as a child.

 

I appreciate anyone who has read all of this, sorry for writing a book.  I just felt the need to vent my current situation and reach out to all of those who are suffering as well.

 

To the man on the show today who quit his addiction entirely -- that is AWESOME.  I am so happy you were able to maintain your relationship with your wife and grow beyond this.  I hope for the same for the wives and families out there that suffer from this.

 
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October 20, 2008, 2:55 pm PDT

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I'm watching this episode and realizing that this Game Widow woman is correct. The game addicts spotlighted in today's episode ARE unhealthy. These people have addictive personalities.  With the first, younger, husband, and father of two, there was an ashtray on his computer desk. He's addicted to cigarettes just as simply as he's addicted to gaming. He can't say 'no' to it. And, with the second fella, the one who took his own life, was rather overweight, leading me to believe that he had an unhealthy, addictive relationship with food also.

People with addictive personalities are going to get hooked onto ANYTHING that brings them satisfaction. Whether it be gaming, cigarettes, alcohol, food, sex or drugs. Perhaps the focus should be on their addictive tendencies, rather than computer games.
 
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