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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 20, 2008, 3:27 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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I hate World of Warcraft! (WoW)

 

My hubby started playing WoW a few months ago with all his buddies from work. My hubby works long hours (70) a week and I thought it was a good way for him to destress/decompress after work. To relax and be casual with the guys.

 

Let me tell you....I'm so done with this game. If I say anything he pitches a fit and gets angry that I'm forcing him off the game to spend time with me.

 

This week we have company from China........he still gets on the game after work and ignores me and our guest!!

I've said he was being RUDE and he did get off the game but he was angry.

 

I'm so SICK of this game. He has tried to get me to play it but I REFUSE!

 

Hubby does not ask for much out of life, he is a quiet person without many hobbies so I fell for this and thought it was okay for him to finally have a hobby.

I HATE IT!

 

I have not threatened to pull the plug on the game yet but I'm very tempted.

All I want is my hubby back.

 

He'll get home from work at 2:30am and go to bed at 5:00-5:30am..... He plays WoW before work (1-2 hrs) then after work for 2-3 hrs.

This has taken place of SEX, communication.........it has invaded all parts of our marriage yet he is CLUELESS.

If I complain he gets mad and threatens not to play the game at all. He has NO BALANCE here.

 

I've sat quietly doing my own thing, not complaining and I'm not a complaining wife.......he has a very nice job with a great salary, provides well for me. (kids are grown)

 

Still.......I'm frustrated right now but haven't gotten to the anger stage. If I reach the anger stage you better believe WoW is going to be G-O-N-E gone!

(he might go with it!)

 

I think WoW is the worst game ever......it has invaded so many homes, so many lives, so many things......and the addicts are clueless.

 

I wish this game was never invented. I bet there are many divorces due to WoW with many more to come......who knows, my once happy marriage may join the long line.

 

I'll pull the plug on the game when I've had enough and he knows he's pushing me to the brink of it.....but I want HIM to realize he's taking too much away from our marriage....I want HIM to want to get off the game.....I want HIM to realize on his own that this is an ugly addiction like any other substance.

 

 

My question is why are you blaming a game when you should be looking at your husband. There are millions of people (including my husband) that play the game and have some control over the amount of time they spend on it. I agree that when the game starts to disrupt your life, there is a problem, but I don't think it's fair to blame the game.

 
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October 20, 2008, 3:31 pm PDT

Thankfull I watched the show today, it could save a life

Dr. Phil, I'm a truck driver and I'm usually on the road. I just returned home from 4 deliveries near my home and the others arn't due until tomorrow. This game me time to come home for the night not knowing the next time I'll be home due to I'll be back on the road for days. I just thank god I was home today to watch your show. It was a show that I would have never imagined any talk show host would have. I have a 19 year old son who is hooked on the computer game. I mean hooked. He has been doing this for 3 to 4 years. He's a very smart boy but and he's wasting his life. He's no longer in school, he's trying to get his ged but he continues to fail the test. He continues to say he's going to the military but he has done nothing. He says in his room 100% of the day. At times I don't see him for 5 or 6 days at a time and we live in the same house. He goes without baths days at a time. He has food in his room so long we found magets before.  We purchased him a car thinking that would get him out of the house but it doesn't work. The car sits. He won't get a job. He does nothing but play that game. His mind is on nothing more than that game. He stays in his room 98% of the day and the other 2% is used to come down stairs to get something to eat. I don't know what to do. I need help and don't have the money for the type of help for this,  I think he needs help bad, very bad..  Please please help me before loose my son totally.  Thanks tonda Dr. Phil please help
 
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October 20, 2008, 3:34 pm PDT

WOW

as a person who spent 80 hours a week or more on WOW (world of warcraft) I can attest to the fact that it can ruin lives, marriages and families. It certainly almost ruined all of my relationships. I think that somehow the game becomes more important than real life does. My children begged and pleaded with me to stop playing and interact with them. My husband eventually started playing just so he would know who I was spending time with. Sometimes you meet people on the game, who turn out to be very bad people. I am in my 40's, so I'm not a child who easily falls prey to people, but some can be quite manipulative. What I'm trying to say is that you need to be careful what you spend your time on, and who you spend your time with.
 
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October 20, 2008, 3:35 pm PDT

A hammer works great!

   I had this same problem but with my 10 year old. I told my husband that if I could not get our son to manage his time better, I would help him. My husband said that would be ok with him. Well, he choose not to handle his time wisely and so I put a hammer into the game station. It really did help him change his choices. That is what I suggest to everyone that is "addicted" to the TV, videos, or other electronis devices. It also would work well with your teenagers cellphones. I know, I tried it.

 

*** Remember that LIFE is more important than anything your can play at ***

 

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October 20, 2008, 3:35 pm PDT

WTF

I'm a 28 year old female and play WOW whenever I get the chance. I don't sit at home and play all day I work full time and go out with friends. I think it's stupied when people come on the show and say Oh my god look at what video games do. They Don't ruin lives it's the choices people make that do.
 
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October 20, 2008, 3:36 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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     Yeah, the game has no fault whatsoever.

 

    By the way, I'm formerly an Eastern Human Bard of Freeport known as Lynata, a level 60 powerpath Minstrel with 1236 class mastery points. On the playstation 2 version of Everquest Online Adventures on the Mar's Fist Server.

    Yeah, it's not the game's fault that it takes 24 hours of gameplay over two days 12 hours a day to gain just one Class Mastery.

    It's not the game's fault that Skaynir and Lady Vox only appears (spawns) two-three times a month.

    It's not the game's fault that Noxxious, Twins, Cazic-Thule, and others spawn even less than that, and there's always more than one household (guild) scouting their spawn points.

    It's not the game's fault that after level 45; quest mobs spawn more typically between five to fifteen minutes to appear once.

    It's not the game's fault that it takes at least 20 players minimum to kill level 60 epics

    It's not the game's fault that four years ago; the development team admitted character inbalance and begins class balancing forcing players to place even more time to develop their character at even the most basic elements of the game.

    It's not the game's fault that content above level 45 consists of requiring killing a single type of mob many many times for a single item to drop and requires the player to repeat the process an additional four more times.

 

     Just to make sure, I'm on the same page. The game's designers/producer should not take any responsibility for deliberately programming a game several factors to guarantee that a player must dedicate excessive time to attain a sense of accomplishment.

     If you're not a gamer, this is how MMORPGs work.

The game begins with a Continuous Positive Reinforcement. Players level their characters rapidly or gathers class mastery points rapidly.

Then, the game begins using a Fixed Ratio Method of Positive Reinforcement. Players begin leveling/cming less rapidly. And then less, and then even less until it takes 24 hours of game play to achieve a single level or class mastery. After that, it takes even more time to accomplish the same success therefore sense of accomplishment.

    These game's thrive on this design.

 

    The players must take responsibility too.

YES, its your fault for playing horrible games and spending ungodly hours waiting for creatures to pop. Play a better game or quit crying.
 
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October 20, 2008, 3:37 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

I think this show is about way more than gaming. There has got to be more going on than the gaming. If you are attempting suicide, I think you are way beyond a game addiction. This show is ridiculous. Why do people always need to find something to blame instead of looking at their kids, husbands, whoever? When are we as a society going to start taking responsibility for our own problems and stop blaming?
 
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October 20, 2008, 3:39 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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I say this for all of us who actually have to deal with the addict, this is not a joke. Your comment is not funny. These games actually tear apart lives!
I so agree... Internet games tore my marriage apart and he never will admit that he has an addiction.  He would wake up and start playing Dungons & Dragons and leave for work and the computer is the first place he would head to when he came home but when I would confront him he would tell me I was the most important thing in his life.  He would play his games while we had company even when our company was his family...
 
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October 20, 2008, 3:40 pm PDT

Some how theres didn't get turned off

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Hey if i didn't pay my bills they would turn off my internet.

All these people freaking out over a game, but i bet none of you think twice about spending every evening watching the crap the tv industry feeds you.

get rid of your tv and play games, you will most likely be happier.
Well at least not yet.  They don't seem to shut people off quickly even when they don't pay there bills.  I had an ex-roomate who I was giving money to for our joint internet and cable bill which was in his name.  I was shocked one day to see the mail and find out that he owed over 200 dollars on the bill, all the while I had been giving him money.  I told him from that day on I was sending my money directly to the company and not giving it to him.  He threw a temper tantrum and told me I wasn't.  Well I did and he got over it kinda off.   But my point being we never got disconnected.  

Or actually my real point being that if you are living in your means , taking care of your children if you have kids, taking care of yourself, etc and are enjoying playing your games then go for it.   I don't like violent or role play games, but I play online word, geography, and other games on facebook in moderation when I have time so I am not against games.    Yes, I would say overall they are better than tv.  

P.S. I don't watch tv because I work most evening.  
 
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October 20, 2008, 3:41 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Interesting show today Dr. Phil.

Just as an FYI, near the end of the program a split screen of Fred and a female avatar was displayed. That avatar was from Everquest  not World of Warcraft which is Fred's game of choice.

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