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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 21, 2008, 2:50 am PDT

The "Coach"

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     I have to agree with the last woman on the show: it's not the game, it's the players.  I LOVE RPG's.  I've played them for years. Final Fantasy, Fantasy Star, Guild Wars, and have a current account with Disney's Toontown.  But I have NEVER played for hours on end, missed work, or neglected my family or responsibilities to play a game. 

 

     I still remember when the movie "Mazes and Monster" came out in 1982 starring Tom Hanks.  He was a young man playing a game similar to Dungeons and Dragons.  He became so obsessed that the game became real to him.  He started seeing normal people as monsters and even stabbed a man.  Even then, at the age of 13 (and a D&D player), I thought, "How stupid!"

 

     Being a huge fan of RPG's, I signed up for the free trial of World of Warcraft.  I played for may be an hour and got bored with it.  So I really don't understand the "addiction".  I truly believe that the people who become "addicted" to these games have other issues in their life and playing these games is their way of  escaping from dealing with those issues. 

Finally a man (grown man) with an intelligent comment on this subject.
 
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October 21, 2008, 2:54 am PDT

Some commen sense, finally.........................

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My husband is a Wold of Warcraft junkie, but when he started playing== he became obsessed with it.  After about  6 months of neglecting our kids and myself (he was working and still is), I had to put limits on him with the game.  It sounds really ridiculous, but I felt like I was dealing with a teenager at that moment and not the partner I had married. But, at this time, he knows that there are limits on the times he can play and he sticks to them. I don't know that he was truly addicted, but he definitely could end up that way without someone in the REAL world saying "Hey, that's not healthy."  At any rate, I just wanted to comment that I think it was an interesting topic and while my husband's gaming is more of a hobby for him now than an obsession, I am always watchful to be sure that it stays that way......

Melissa in NC
This is the point that I have been trying to make. Melissa here doesn't want another child, she wants a husband, a partner in life, and an adult to have an adult conversation with. Thank you for posting this, coming from a woman who has (almost) been there.
 

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October 21, 2008, 5:58 am PDT

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Well.....the symptoms fit my 19yr old son to a "T".......unfortunately, Dr Phil did not provide much help on how to kick this addiction.  My wife and I have tried all kinds of things to discourage the WOW addiction, but to no avail.  Had him on a timed program while he was in High School, but now that he's in college, he's on his own.....gotta grow up sometime, but it ain't happening.  Used to be an "A" student.....now on the brink of flunking out (simply because he skips class to play this idiotic game).  Worst thing I ever did was get him a computer game.....it has ruined his life......no end in sight.  He's a shell of his former self, and in complete denial.  Ugh!
Sorry to hear about your son. If he is immersed in a game, take him out of school NOW to avoid damage to his future GPA. Do NOT fork over any more tuition money. Go to www.olganon.org and read the "I Need Help for Parents of Gamers" forum. There are few good treatment options but there is some help out there. You can post your story there and you will get some good advice.
 
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October 21, 2008, 6:18 am PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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Sorry....saw a lot of symptoms/problems on the TV show, but no real advice on a cure.  Nothing we've tried with our 19yr old has worked......he's in complete denial and thinks we are overstating the problem.  In the meantime, he's a shell of himself and in danger of flunking out of college (former "A" student).  We need advice on how to resolve this.....the problem has been long-recognized.
Yes!  I REALLY hope that there will be a follow-up show soon that can give some advice to parents how to prevent this problem when the kid goes off on his own.  I too, take plenty of measures, but I'm worried that it's not enough...or that it will work.  I still have plenty of time before the "leaving-home" dilemma since my kid is only 13, but I'd like to know if what I am doing is at all helpful.
 
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October 21, 2008, 6:44 am PDT

I totally understand

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I'm just throwing this out there, but he doesn't need a game to ruin his life.  I went to university and dropped out of my first two programs because I just wasn't ready for it.  I now have a graduated 3.9 gpa diploma and I'm working on my Bachelors.  My online games didn't cause it, even when I quit the game for a while I just found other things to avoid actually doing my work.


I have a 17 year old son who over the past two years has totally lost himself in WoW and another site that writes it's own story lines.  My son has ADHD, Anxiety disorder and OCD.  With much work and support over the years I have been able to keep him on the write path until the past 2 years.  Perhaps puberty has made a drastic change in his thought process as well as his disorders.  I could go on and on and on about living with his disorders but I will not at this time.  I will tell you that like you I have a son who lives for his computer games.  He has dropped out of school and life for the most part.  Nothing and I mean nothing is as important as gaming.  I don't know how many times I have felt that a very large baseball bat aimed at the computer may solve part of the issue.  Currently I am working with many specialists and my son is scheduled to enter a residential/educational treatment center for teen boys next week.  It is going to be very interesting to see how he copes with zero gaming for the school year.  I am sure he will go through with drawls for weeks.  I hope that he will gain his sense of self and see that the "real" world" is very exciting.  Like you yes I wish I had never bought the dang idiot box in the first place.  I do think that certain personalities are more vulnerable than others relative to addiction.  If it was not gaming one may wonder what else may it have been.  I feel your frustration I wish more people would understand it is not as easy to solve this issue as they think.  Unplugging the power cord is not the solution if they have lost their sense of self. 
 
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October 21, 2008, 6:50 am PDT

WOW

My husband has been playing WOW for over 4 years now. He actaully lies to me about how much he plays. I have told him on several occasions that he is ruinning our marriage, so then he will play less for awhile but then gets right back into, I believe, around 70 plus hours a week . He does have a job but between work and WOW I think I spend maybe two to three hours a week with him. The one thing about the show that really hit home for me, was when they said that the game isn't the problem, that people use these things to escape something. Maybe my marriage isn't as good as I thought, maybe he is unhappy with his home life and that's why he plays so much. The show sure gave me alot to think about!!!

 
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October 21, 2008, 7:05 am PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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Dr.Phil I truly want to thank you for doing this show. My husband Eddie is the same way. He is stuck on that stupid War of Warcraft game is pathetic. The diffrence between your guest and my husband is that my husband works. My husband knows that if he is going to stay stuck on a game and not have a job he is out the door. Now my husband wakes up every morning at 8:30 goes to work and then as soon as he gets home he takes a quick shower and gets on the game and stay up till god knows when. It causes me trouble to even talk to him because he will not respond to anything. He eats in front of the TV. He doesn't even get up to use the restroom. It's pathetic. On the weekends he does not like to go anywhere at all. He just wants to stay home and play that stupid game. He is so catered to it's not right. I just hope that one day you can mention his name one day on your show and tell him a couple of things. I'm making watch your show right now ho he can know the damage that he is doing to his body. He has been waking up with pain on his back, arm, chest etc.. There are times that his arm falls asleep. Well once again I thank you for doing this show. Your guest should give her husband an ultimatum and let him know that he as a man needs to take responsibility for his family or he can get out.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one living this horrible nightmare, who'd of thought you could lose your  husband to a freakin computer game! A stupid stupid computer game!!
 
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October 21, 2008, 7:12 am PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: cjheartsaj

My husband and I saw this show today and we had no idea what this game could do to people! My husband and I actually play World of Warcraft but our play time is super limited to when our son is asleep, so we usually get in 2-3 hours a week.

Anyways

To the parents out there with children playing wow, I do believe there is a time limit tool you can use on the world of warcraft website. It allows you to go hour by hour to block when they aren't allowed to play and when they are allowed to play, and it's on a weekly schedule.

My husband had a tip to the wives out there :P if you know your husband's password and are fed up with the video game, just install a bot (something that automatically plays the game for you and will get your account cancelled) and within a couple of days your husband's (or even wife's/boyfriend/girlfriend) account could get cancelled. However..that is dishonest. My mom did it to my dad and he was pretty upset. But it works.
You would be reading about a murder if I did this to my husband!!!
 
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October 21, 2008, 7:44 am PDT

A Safe Place

We at GamerWidow.com strive to provide a place for all Gamer Widows and Gamer Widowers.  The forum is a safe place to get together and share their feelings and frustrations. 

 

We also learn about the games and their gamers.  Gamers who want to quit or are trying to quit or want to learn more about us are also welcome.  Families, parents and friends are all welcome. 

 

We have many Forums and venue’s that are there specifically designed to help you.

 

We have our General forum and an Introductions forum, which immediately gives you a place to let us know about you and what you’re experiences are.

 

The Sort Yourself Out – Rehab Room is specifically designed for those of you who are in the middle of or have successfully beat the addiction.  Whether your addiction was gaming, smoking, eating, etc. you are welcome to get help to get through it or share your story of how you got through it.

 

We also have our Media Room (Current Events) and Real Life forums to keep you informed.  Our Fun & Jokes forum is for the lighter side of life.

 

You will also find on GamerWidow.com private forums specifically designed for Widows and Widowers of gamers who are involved with MMORPG’s, Fantasy/RP games, Action/Fighting games and Sports games. 

 

We have our very own Chat Room.  This is a safe place where you can get live, private and immediate help.  The theme of our chat room is basic; what is said in the Chat Room, stays in the Chat Room and will never be posted on the public boards. 

 

You will find many people just like you, going through exactly what you are on GamerWidow.com.  We constantly strive to make you feel safe and as comfortable as we can. 

 

We hope that you will accept this personal invitation and become a member our compassionate community.

 

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October 21, 2008, 7:45 am PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: jewelsf

Playing a game until you become addicted "IS" a bad thing! And there are many more ways to "stimulate" the brain than with gaming. When a grown man can't even hold down a job because of his gaming, it's definitely not a good thing. A grown man who actually holds down a job can find many things to stimulate his brains with such things as conversation with other adults, reading a newspaper, etc..  Hey, maybe he can even read a book! Buy a Rubik's Cube! Hey, he can even find stimulation by sleeping in the same bed as his wife!
Judging from your responses, you seem to be a very condescending and angry person.  This is not conducive to helping the situation.

That being said, if you read the posts here defending gaming in general, I'm sure you will find that nobody is defending the excessive behavior.  It is a big problem, and it is a tough nut to crack.  It can take years to make progress against the problem.  The real issue here is that there is no single magic bullet that cures all ills for all excessive gamers.  The problem is unique to each excessive gamer. 

It's not really even a sign of immaturity, per se, so attacking it like it is purely immaturity or a refusal to grow up is absolutely the wrong approach.  Attacking is only going to give the excessive gamer yet another reason to retreat into the game world.

I have a few points for you all to consider based on my personal experience with this issue.

1. Know thy enemy.
This is absolutely crucial.  Talk to the excessive gamer about the game they play.  Find out what it is about the game that interests him/her so much.  You may, and probably will, meet with some resistance at first because the excessive gamer may be embarrassed about playing the game.  Be persistent.  Research the game a little.  Learn how it works.  The more you know about what you are trying to beat, the better you will be able to beat it.

2. Never go on the attack.
Like I said earlier, attacking the excessive gamer is the absolute worst thing you can do.  You can't embarrass an excessive gamer out of playing the game, but you can definitely embarrass him/her into playing it even more.  It adds one more layer you have to dig through to get at the root of the problem and may even make it impossible for you to help.  You may have to go to outside sources to help you if you slip and go on the attack.

3. Positive reinforcement is the key.
Don't misunderstand me here.  I don't mean positive reinforcement for playing the game.  I mean positive reinforcement for doing things outside of the game.  This is where it gets difficult because each excessive gamer gets something different out of the game that is positive for him/her.  That's why you must talk to him/her about the game and find out what interests him/her so much. 

For example, some people play certain games like WoW because the quest system is purely positive reinforcement.  There are no negative outcomes for failing to complete a quest.  You get to try again and again until you succeed.  This is where your prior research comes in handy.  Learn how the quest system works and try to emulate it.  You may even have to use terminology from the game.  Give him/her a "quest" and tell him/her what he/she will get when it is completed and follow through with the reward.  This will be a slow process involving some trial and error because the reward must be something that interests him/her, but does not involve the game. 

For others, it may be the ability to socialize without any real consequences.  Anonymity can do wonders for a gamer's ego and confidence level.  This is definitely a tough nut to crack.  You should consult a psychologist (not a psychiatrist) to determine how to proceed on this one.  I'm especially familiar with this reason for excessive gaming, because it was my reason.  I had a deeprooted fear of socializing with other people, especially people my age, because of some things that happened when I was a kid.  It wasn't until I was able to come to terms with it that I was able to kick my excessive gaming problem.  This is a long, hard road to walk and will take years to overcome. Patience and persistence are vital to success.

4. Remember that excessive gaming is not the disease, it is a symptom.
Related to point number 3, excessive gaming is not the ultimate problem.  It is a sign of a deeper problem, whether it's a lack of positive reinforcement in real life, feelings of powerlessness in real life, social insecurities, various phobias, or whatever the case may be.  For me, it was a combination of social anxiety and a deeprooted distrust of new people because of some things that happened when I was a kid.  It's easy to blame the game because it's an obvious indicator and takes no effort.  Like any other excessive compulsion, there is a reason behind it.  If you find the reason and deal with it, the excessive gaming problem goes away.  Just like any other excessive compulsion, there's a good chance the excessive gamer will "fall off the wagon".  It's important to stick with him/her and help him/her get back on the wagon again.  Patience and persistence are the keys.

5. Have a support network ready.
Not just for the excessive gamer, but for you as well.  Trying to help an excessive gamer kick the habit is a massive undertaking and will put a strain on you.  Have an outlet other than the excessive gamer that can help you vent or take your mind off of it for a while.  Have someone you can ask for advice.  Have someone you can go out and have some fun with so you can get rid of some of the stress.

6. Be prepared to accept some hard facts.
It's going to sound harsh, and may not necessarily be true in all cases, but the excessive gamer may not be the only one that needs to change some behaviors.  Sometimes the excessive gamer retreats into the game world because of family issues.  Consulting a psychologist specializing in family counseling is probably your best bet here.

This is a tough nut to crack, and I wish all of you who are dealing with this issue the best of luck in getting to the root of the problem and getting it resolved.

Signed,

A recovered excessive gamer turned casual gamer.
 
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