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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 21, 2008, 10:42 am PDT

The show was long on defining the problem…...But short on practical help

I was eagerly anticipating the program about gaming addiction yesterday to find ideas how to help my son with his excessive online gaming. I was disappointed that the sow featured a look at the problem but hardly addressed ideas on how to deal with it. Other than watch your younger children (for prevention). It seamed to me almost the whole hour was spent describing some severe situation. Dr Phil seamed to be saying “just stop playing"...yet I don't think he would give such limited advice to a drug addict or alcoholic. Where do you begin? I really need some concrete answers...but where do you begin. Dr Phil.....PLEASE do a follow-up program with some specific ideas.

My son has cut down a lot now he has a job and goes to school so lack of time to actually play has helped. He says it's just another form of entertainment like watching TV. Could this be true if done in moderation? Or is it like an alcoholic..one drink (half hour playing) and you are right back in it?

 

BTW he is married and I want to support him and my dil from afar and direct her especially to some practical ideas.

I am going to read some of the other posts in the hope others have ideas that have worked.

 
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October 21, 2008, 10:44 am PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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I have a 17 year old son who over the past two years has totally lost himself in WoW and another site that writes it's own story lines.  My son has ADHD, Anxiety disorder and OCD.  With much work and support over the years I have been able to keep him on the write path until the past 2 years.  Perhaps puberty has made a drastic change in his thought process as well as his disorders.  I could go on and on and on about living with his disorders but I will not at this time.  I will tell you that like you I have a son who lives for his computer games.  He has dropped out of school and life for the most part.  Nothing and I mean nothing is as important as gaming.  I don't know how many times I have felt that a very large baseball bat aimed at the computer may solve part of the issue.  Currently I am working with many specialists and my son is scheduled to enter a residential/educational treatment center for teen boys next week.  It is going to be very interesting to see how he copes with zero gaming for the school year.  I am sure he will go through with drawls for weeks.  I hope that he will gain his sense of self and see that the "real" world" is very exciting.  Like you yes I wish I had never bought the dang idiot box in the first place.  I do think that certain personalities are more vulnerable than others relative to addiction.  If it was not gaming one may wonder what else may it have been.  I feel your frustration I wish more people would understand it is not as easy to solve this issue as they think.  Unplugging the power cord is not the solution if they have lost their sense of self. 
I am so glad that I am not the only one that feels like a baseball bat will take care of the problem.  I am so close to taking it out of tour home.  The only thing that worries me is that he will totally lose it.  My son is 16yrs  and so lost in W.O.W. it is so unreal to me and his grades are horrible.  he had been diagnosed with ADD but not currently taking meds.  Thats a whole other story, but anyway, did you take the computer away from you son for the school year?   Did it seem to work?  I am so lost, I have grounded, took the computer for a week or longer, setting limits and now I am at my witts end and have not idea what to do next.  Nothing seems to fase him.  So I was glad to see that I was not alone!!  
 
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October 21, 2008, 10:57 am PDT

My Full Story

Hi, for those who have just arrived at this amazingly busy forum, my name is Brad. I was a guest on this episode. If you have a moment, I'd like to invite you to read my full story of addiction on my blog:

 

http://exgamer.net/blog/?p=106

 

I also have a new podcast at the following RSS feed location:

 

http://exgamer.net/blog/?feed=podcast

 

Rather than duplicating everything from my blog, which is now three months old, I thought I'd just give you the links and suggest you visit.

 

Most of the comments on the show have been intelligent and helpful. Mainly I'd like to say that those of us who have struggled with this issue are sincere in our desire to see people game in a balanced way, if that is possible. I have no particular axe to grind against the gaming industry, but I am concerned that people develop good communication within their key relationships about the risks of excessive game play. I think this is going to grow into a serious public health issue if not properly addressed by parents, spouses and family members of compulsive gamers, and of course by the players themselves.

 

Finally, I think it is high time the medical profession at large begin to take this issue seriously. We're well into the 21st century, and the Internet has captured more and more of our leisure time to the point that we should be concerned about the potential for serious addiction issues such as we have discussed in this forum.

 

Thanks everyone, for your support and interest in this issue.

 

Brad

 

www.exgamer.net

 
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October 21, 2008, 11:41 am PDT

A Gamer's Perspective

I, myself, am one of those addicted gamers as well as an occasional viewer of Dr.Phil. Its true that games CAN wreck lives, I myself being an examply. but usually, there is an underlying cause that leads into the recession into the virtual world. Almost, if not every addicted gamer finds the game and the feeling of progress through it more rewarding, and/or less stressful but less rewarding, but theres a much greater reduction on stress than reward. its because it's a game that it feels so much less stressful. When you see a professional poker player, I can guarentee that the stress they feel and the rewards they get paint a MUCH better picture than a regular job. Sure, there are moments when the stress is intense, but the same can be said about any game, and alot of real life scenarios. Quite often in reality, you wouldn't be able to even make the dent in the tension with a knife, whereas in games, its much, much easier to just ignore the stress. Life's full of Once in a Lifetime oppourtunities, but todays society goes and shows them like they're so much more common. True love, being rich, becomign a celebrity, how often do we hear about this on tv, or anywhere for that matter, and how much do we achieve it? In a game, everyone can achieve everything. In reality, its a one in a million shot, and when we miss it, we regret it forever. Addicted gamers are usually people who used to, or are under a massive pile of stress, and want it to go away. I'm one such person.
 
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October 21, 2008, 12:02 pm PDT

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My boyfriend is an avid gamer, and he'sw really into that game world of warcraft. He will stay up all night playing, and start again when he wakes up the next day.  He is supposed to be looking for a job , but I think he's two preoccupied with his gaming!  The only time he's not playing is when he's hanging out with me, and that's not even that often.  I tried to talk to him about his problem, but he doesn't think he has one! All he does is sleep and game! what can I do to get him off his but and get a real life?????
 
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October 21, 2008, 1:25 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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My boyfriend is an avid gamer, and he'sw really into that game world of warcraft. He will stay up all night playing, and start again when he wakes up the next day.  He is supposed to be looking for a job , but I think he's two preoccupied with his gaming!  The only time he's not playing is when he's hanging out with me, and that's not even that often.  I tried to talk to him about his problem, but he doesn't think he has one! All he does is sleep and game! what can I do to get him off his but and get a real life?????
I think you already know what you need to do, but you don't want to because it's hard. He needs to have a job and pay attention to you. No one is saying he has to give up his game, but he does have to moderate his bahaviour. If he is unwilling to do those things then you have to leave him, or suffer without complaint.
 
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October 21, 2008, 1:34 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

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This game is highly addictive.  I'm not the gamer type but when my husband brought it home and started playing I wanted to play as well.  Three years later we are still playing, does it cause problems of course but so does most other things.  Before we had our child we could play from the time we got off work to the time we had to go back to work.  If this game wasn't so addictive Blizzard would not have almost 10 million users.  Is it "bad"? I don't think so but im also playing the game.  Does it get old? Yes. Has it been a constant struggle between my husband and I? Of course.  What married couple doesn't struggle with everyday chores? As long as people can come to an agreement about play time, who gets to play "first" while the other watches the kids and so on. I can't see how it is a bad thing. My 4 month old loves to watch the screen and push buttons. I believe it makes him feel big. I don't see a problem with the game, it is the people who get out of control and "forget" to go to work, care for the kids, and the other stuff. My husband is one that rides the fine line between obsessive and under control. I love/hate the game but i know I can never take it away from him. He has to make the decission to quit if he wants to (so do I).

As long as people can come to an agreement about play time, who gets to play "first" while the other watches the kids and so on. I can't see how it is a bad thing.

 

Wow (no pun intended) that says it all!

 

You choose and discuss who gets to play "first" over looking after and spending time with your kids.

 

Your children should NEVER come second to a game and don't think that they won't realise.  If they are too young now they will when they are older.  You are choosing to spend this precious time with your kids on a game.

 

At least both wait until they are asleep.

 
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October 21, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

Thanks for the Awareness

      I am grateful to Dr. Phil for exposing the seriousness of the computer gaming addiction problem. As a clinical psychologist with a computer gaming addiction specialty in Southern California, I am frustrated that more parents and significant others don't seek professional care earlier. I regularly see the tragedy of education, careers and relationships lost to this addiction. With monitoring and moderating game play, addiction can be prevented. However when the problem reaches the level of an addiction, there is no easy, quick fix. Many viewers may have been disappointed to hear Dr. Phil say at the end of the show that the problem is complex and requires specialized treatment.  But this is true.
      Why don't parents (or significant others) seek treatment earlier? I believe it is because many parents are embarrassed to disclose that their child is addicted to computer games because they feel it was solely their fault as bad parents. Spouses feel the shame that their loved one is choosing the computer games over them. Why? Friends, family and even health professionals tell them so. But it is not that simple.  It is my opinion that excessive game playtime combined with both individual and game characteristics determines who becomes addicted and who does not. It is likely that this shame along with the stigma of mental health prevents parents and significant other from seeking professional help early. Awareness brought about by this show is a first step toward informing the public of the need for professional help when dealing with computer gaming addiction. While there is no recognized mental health condition of “Internet Addiction Disorder” or “Computer Gaming Addiction”, it doesn’t mean the problematic computer/video game use does not cause serious life consequences or that it cannot be treated.  

      Like other process or behavior addictions such as eating disorders or pathological gambling, treatment is specialized and not exactly the same as substance addictions. It has been my experience that the combination of moderated use and individual psychotherapy offers the best outcome. Medication can also be helpful in treating depression, anxiety, OCD or other related conditions. Since most often relationships have suffered as a result of the addiction, family/marital counseling can also be helpful. What is NOT helpful is the unrealistic expectation of abstinence or immediate lifestyle changes.  While I would not discourage abstinence as a goal, I would not encourage it short term for those seriously addicted.  I also believe it is unrealistic to expect an addict to be able to stop or cut back on their own – even when threatened with serious consequences such as divorce or being sent away to a residential treatment program. The good news is that with proper care of a mental health professional, this problem can be successfully treated. Don't try to do this alone and get the help now!

 

 

 

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October 21, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

Gaming was not the issue

The show depicted World of Warcraft as some horrible game which destroys lives.  Really?  I have read through many of these posts/replies.  It seems as if many of the "gamers" are affected by some type of mental disorder or depression.  In my opinion (I am no expert) these people who let this game ruin their lives are going to have their lives ruined no matter what unless they have received some type of assistance in dealing with what is really wrong with them.  These are the ones who need mental/emotional help for some problem(s) that they are burying and not dealing with.   Certain people get obsessed with a variety of things to keep their minds off of other things that are bothering them.  I just don't see how people are blaming World of Warcraft/EQ or any other game.  There are people who knit all day, people who make crafts all day, people who read all day.  Why aren't these people being targeted?  These people have the same problem.  From my point of view, many of the gamers you guys are talking about seem to be lacking self-esteem and confidence.  They play the game to gain this from people whom they don't know in "real life".  If the time played is causing marital problems, then look and see what problems existed in the marriage before the game.  I am sure that you will find some for no marriage can exist without some problems, whether they be major or minor.

 

I personally love World of Warcraft.  I met my boyfriend playing it.  He is a teacher who gets up every morning and goes to work as do I.  We spend $15 a month each to play.  The game is a huge part of our social life.  We could spend easily spend over $50 a night going out to a movie and to dinner or going out to a club.  We prefer to stay home and play the game.  We do go to see movies, plays, etc.  I feel as if my guildies are like a second family and many have grown to become really close friends of mine.  I talk to them throughout the day and many know more about me than people I know in "real life".  There is a difference between a hardcore raider and a casual player.  A hardcore player/raider plays the game competitively to see what content can be conquered preferably before anyone else.  A casual player logs on when he/she wants and plays for awhile and then logs off not worried about beating others to the punch if you will.  The hardcore raiders are the ones who will play the game everyday for hours on end.  The reason they do this is because they have joined a guild who expects them to be on so many days/hours a week in order to raid.  If they do not, then they usually are removed from the guild and join a casual guild.

 

My guild is a mix of both.  We do not punish people for not being online, but we do expect them to be on as much as possible during raid times.  If we have kids in the guild, we encourage them to do their homework and keep up their grades.  I always tell them school before raids.  "Real life before WOW".  My guildies know they can go out with their spouse and kids and not get chastised over it.  I guess what I am trying to get across is that the people who play wow need to know how much time they are going to spend on the game and join a guild that matches their playing schedule.  This will make spouses, friends, etc. happy due to the fact that you can set aside days for family days, etc.

 

I have met many people who have met online playing WOW.  They have gotten married and have had kids.  Most of the time, these people reduce the amount of time they play, but they do still play when they can.  Now, don't get me wrong, I have also seen people get divorced over the game.  It does consume a huge part of your life and time.  I always tell people to get their spouse to play and when they do, they usually like it.  I think as in anything in life people need to be in the right state of mind in order to control their gaming.  If they aren't, then they will fall down that slippery slope of depression no matter if it's gaming or any other obsession.

 

Many people have had their confidence built by playing the game.  The game is not "evil" by any means.  I have guildies who are ADD, Agoraphobic, who have Turrets.  We treat them no differently because of these handicaps.  We all have handicaps in my opinion.  I have not met anyone who is perfect.  WoW is a place to escape and not be judged because of imperfections.   It is a place to make friends and possibly build relationships that last a long time.  It is a place that can be calming.  You can just sit around and fish if you want to.  You can run around and pick herbs (flowers/plants).  You can just fly around looking at scenery.  You can just stand in the middle of town and talk to people.  You can ....have fun!

 

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October 21, 2008, 2:07 pm PDT

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I am so glad that I am not the only one that feels like a baseball bat will take care of the problem.  I am so close to taking it out of tour home.  The only thing that worries me is that he will totally lose it.  My son is 16yrs  and so lost in W.O.W. it is so unreal to me and his grades are horrible.  he had been diagnosed with ADD but not currently taking meds.  Thats a whole other story, but anyway, did you take the computer away from you son for the school year?   Did it seem to work?  I am so lost, I have grounded, took the computer for a week or longer, setting limits and now I am at my witts end and have not idea what to do next.  Nothing seems to fase him.  So I was glad to see that I was not alone!!  
Your son is 16, so still a minor. You have control over what happens in your house. Make a contract with him that he will play only one hour a day, and only after homework is done. The consequence of violating the contract will be loss of the computer for the rest of the school year. I guarantee that he will break the contract. Do NOT give him a second chance. If he cannot control his gaming time, you are within your rights as a parent to say "NO MORE". Yes, you can take the computer away. Be advised that he will do anything to get around that. You may have to take the modem to bed with you at night to keep him off the internet. Plenty more suggestions from parents at www.olganon.org. If you think he will "lose it" when you take the game away, be sure you have a backup around when you do it. Some kids have had to be forcibly removed from their homes when they "lost it".
 
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