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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 22, 2008, 7:51 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: colonialweaver

 My husband of 18 years is heavily involved in Second Life.  It began simply enough as a stress reliever.  The dynamics at his work place and the demands on him professionally are stressful.  At the time I thought this was a good thing, especially since he was talking and developing friendships all over the world.  Then his time on the computer started increasing and going into all hours of the night.  I let it pass because I felt it was his down time to have to himself.  Unfortunately, as time went on, I became quite jealous of the time he was spending on the computer.  At that time,  he showed me the game, explained the different aspects of it and what his role was on it.  He also told me about some of his friends-what they did for a living, where they lived etc.  I confessed my jealousy to him and he understood.  We talked; he involved me; I put on my big girl panties and got a grip.  I began to pick up hobbies and passions of my own that I had put on hold thinking that was part of my problem.  I needed more in my life which was true.  Life went on and all was well.  I became more understanding and interested (just enought to show interest but not get in his space) and he spent a little more time with me each evening before going online.  This went on fine until I walked into the computer room (which always has the door shut when he is online to block out the noise from the rest of the house) and discovered his character (which looks so very much like him in real life) receiving oral sex from another character while he himself was physically "taking care of business".  If you can imagine, once the shock wore off; I progressed into devastation; anger; tears; and betrayal.  I went into the room because I could hear him and thought he was having a heart attack.  When he finally came to bed that night he asked if I was angry.  We then had a long talk about how I felt; I made him understand that even though it was a "cartoon" version of him in a fantasy world--it was still him and it was especially hurtful since he hadn't touched me in quite sometime; what his actions put me through; why he did it; did he want out of the marriage;etc.  We talked everything out; worked through it and got past it.   For those who have been through this--you know how you beat yourself up wondering what you are doing wrong; are you overreacting; have you changed in such away that "virtual" people are more interesting or appealing than you are.  Is the life the two of you have built so bad that your spouse prefers the online world.  The time spent on the computer has been steadily increasing.  He comes home from work, checks SL, eats dinner--sometimes watches a little tv with me and then gets on SL until whatever time in the morning.  Sometimes I barely get two words before he closes himself off.  He runs a "business" in SL and I know he enjoys it because he feels successful and is working for himself.  I'v reminded him what a wonderful person he is; what a success in life he is but I don't know if it made a difference.  He says he loves me and there is nothing wrong between us but its getting harder to believe.  The scenen I walked in on still comes to mind now and then and affects my level of trust when he spends so much time in SL.  I don't blame SL and I admit I don't understand the attraction;  I just know what I should do.  He has given up some of his other passions and doesn't seem to be interested in things like he used to be.  I just don't want him to get lost in the virtual world and forget to live in this one.  The selfish reasons for my concern is that I don't want to lose him.  My husband is a very intelligent and responsible man.  His SL has not affected his work or outside commitments he has made.  He is spending more that we really can afford but nothing like what I've been reading in other posts.  He is a good man, I just miss him.  Thanks for listening.

He is shutting you out.  For a man to turn to ANYONE OR ANYTHING but his wife is wrong!  I would highly suggest a counselor that specializes in online and/or sex addictions.  As I mentoned in my previous post, you are living with a roomate.  You have to look at your vows.  Will he go to church with you?

 

I would try whatever I can to get him back to reality.  The two of you are worth it.  Your marriage is worth it.

 

If this is going on at home,what is he doing at work?  Really play detective and see what you are dealing with.  Any strange charges on credit cards, porn, etc.  You have to see what kind of beast you are fighting.

 

My prayers are with you.

 
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October 22, 2008, 7:56 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: Patykayks

I am a 50 yo female.  My husband and I game together.  He is a doctor and works full-time in his own practice.  The gaming at first left me sorta left out, so I decided to join him. I enjoy it.  We play Rock Band mostly now and I have a good game of Zelda going now.  Anyway, I make sure to keep track of time so I do not neglect my obligations.  I have a friend who is 60 and she and I get together so we can play Mario.  I do not see this as the game mfg's fault.  People make their own choices and know exactly what they are doing.  It is simply choice. 

 

There are usually other issues with many people like drugs, depression, porn, etc.  As I mentioned before about Liz and Shawn she knew for months what he was doing and did not intervene.  I cannot be sympathetic to her cause she had ample time to step in and help.  Maybe she blames the game so she does not have to feel guilt.

 

Anyway, addictions are for people who are out of sorts and fill a need with something else they can get satisfaction from.  All gamers are not bad people.  My husband and I play video games and we have not missed a beat.

I think it wonderful that you join your hubby in game playing. However, when it causes one or the other to feel left out in the relationship is when it becomes a problem.  If that is what you and him enjoy, then I say  go for it!

 
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October 22, 2008, 8:12 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: erudite21

I'm hopelessly addicted to video games.  It all started when my brother introduced me to WoW.  Although I no longer play that, I went on a huge gaming spree all last week with Age of Conan.  I have also been involved in Guild Wars, the Sims (both 1 and 2), Neverwinter Nights, Morrowwind, Oblivion, Fable, you name it.  Usually, when I get these games, I will play them none-stop for a period of about a month.  I turn on the TV and sit at my desk, open the video game, and away i go the entire day.  Then I'll stop for a few months, then something bad will happen and I will go out and buy one the whole thing starts over again.  I used to be atheletic, in really good shape, run 1/2 marathons.  But now I'm 20 lbs overweight and I can't even run for 10 minutes before I am out of breath.  My boyfriend knows nothing about this horrible habit that I seem hopelessly unable to change.  I get headaches all the time and I have carpal tunnel syndrome.

I feel like Dr. Phil doesn't take this seriously as an addiction.  A friend of mine who is a neuroscientist mentioned to me once that he knows of a scientist who analyzed the frequency of certain areas of the brain while gamers were playing WoW.  What he found was that the area of the brain that controls pleasure is incredibly excited during gaming, and that high amounts of dopamine are released.  Why doesn't Dr. Phil have Frank Lawliss analyze gamers the same way he does people who have ADHD? 

Dr. Phil I believe gaming is an addiction,  just like alcohol, drugs, gambling, and compulsive shopping.  Someday I hope that there is help for addicted gamers.

I agree, gaming is/can be an adicction like alcohol, drugs and so on.  If you think about it anything you do you feel you can't stop doing is an addiction. It doesn't have to be drugs/alcohol only, it can be, like you said shopping, eating, hoarding.

 

That's really interesting what you said about the high amount of dopamine that are released in the brain.  I didn't know that.

 
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October 23, 2008, 7:22 am PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: shelly_80

I think it wonderful that you join your hubby in game playing. However, when it causes one or the other to feel left out in the relationship is when it becomes a problem.  If that is what you and him enjoy, then I say  go for it!

True,

 

I could either stay left out or share an activity he is into...which I did.  I am glad that we can share that together.  Anything can be an addiction, food, chocolate, booze, etc.  It is the person choosing these things and allowing it to consume their life.  There is nothing wrong with gaming.  Too many people do it and are great people and have wonderful lives.  It is up to the individual.  Liz who was on the show about her son, Shawn blamed the gaming mfg's for his addiction and death.  She knew he had problems months before he died and nothing to intervene and get him help.  I question the fact if she needed someone or something else to blame so she does not feel guilt.

 

We are all accountable for what we do in our lives.  We can go down the right path or choose the wrong path and suffer the consequences.

 
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October 23, 2008, 8:55 am PDT

tired of negative stereotypes about video game players

I am so deathly tired of all the negative stereotypes about adult people who enjoy playing video games.  Not ALL adult game players are lazy, stupid, immature, unemployed,or irresponsible! I'm 34 and I have enjoyed video games nearly all my life.  But I am a responsible person who lives in my own appartment where I do my own housecleaning, take care of my pets, do my own shopping and enjoy other hobbies.

I have been told that I am intelligent and I enjoy reading and learning, I make crafts and draw pictures.  I know some people develope an unhealthy addiction to video games but that doesn't mean nobody should  be allowed to play them. PS I also stay away from games that are full of violence and other disturbing themes.

Well, that's about it. Time to go play Neopets! :-)

 
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October 23, 2008, 2:23 pm PDT

Cheap Shot? More like Observation

Quote From: colonialweaver

 I hope you didn't intend for your quote to sound the way it did.  Perhaps it hasn't occured to you that those of us struggling with the fear of losing our spouses to the online games they seem to prefer are dealing with trying to figure out what is wrong with us; what need are we not filling;  what have we turned into that our spouse prefers to spend their time in a fantasy world.  We beat ourselves up enough without cheap shots like yours.
The woman sounded like she was condescending.   Maybe that was the reason why her husband got into video games because he felt like he need an outlet to escape that.  Sorry, I didn't make that clear, however, if you're feeling guilty and wondering what you did wrong, that doesn't mean you should go and start taking it out on other people.  Frankly, I don't give any type of care to what your going through or your situtation.  If that spouse in your life is playing games like no tommorow then maybe you should take a little bit of time to look at yourself in the mirror.  Cheap shots?  I think not.  I believe you're just sensitive because of something that YOU did wrong.  --shrugs and smirks--
 
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October 23, 2008, 2:24 pm PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

Quote From: caradia

Just like anything, gaming can be addictive. So can shopping, sex, drugs, alcohol, etc... If a person has an addictive personality, he/she can be addicted to anything.  I game between 8-14 hours a day, sometimes less.  What I had to learn was balance.  Now, when I had nothing in my life it was sleep, wake up, game, go to work, come home, game, sleep, and repeat.  I could not imagine losing a job for it; however, I can see where it gets in the way of relationships.  What is ironic is that I met my current live-in boyfriend in an online game over a year ago.  Now, he is here and has no interest in gaming because he has me (which confuses me), while gaming is still my favorite hobby just like it was when I met him.  I guess he had other reasons for gaming.  So, I still game.  I did have problems spending time with him, but now I make sure that other areas of my life are met before I cross to the void of gaming.  Gaming is my way of relieving stress.  Work, him, and life in general incur stress.  So, you know, you do what you gotta do.  I feel some people think it is an addiction if people actually pay to play online and/or spend over an hour a day on the game.  Wrong.  Just because it is not understood does not make it addiction.  Think of it this way, if you watch sitcoms on TV for over an hour, then would you say you are addicted to sitcoms on TV?
Gonna have to say with all the posts about "gaming addiction" this has to be the one i appreciate the most. Everything she has stated in this is true in the most absolute sense. You can become addicted to anything in this world sex, drugs, movies ect.. and yes if your wondering i am a gamer...has my life been ruined by mmorpg's...no. Will it be? No. It depends on the person, just like everything. But Too be honest....compared to other horrifically violent video games....ex. Grand Theft Auto and the whole horde of games out there that are similiar to it, world of warcraft should be the least of y'alls worries. If i had children ill tell u i would be alot more at ease them playing world of warcraft alot...than playing games like grand theft auto...basically teling them that killing people is alright, or even movies for that matter. If you get addicted to something, it is your own fault and thus your own responsibility to fix the problem. Just like with smoking..there are steps to getting rid of the addiction...but someone else cant do it for you...you are the one that has to. Personally i play mmorpg's....not because they are a waste of time...like most people who have zero experience with video games think. I do it because it's a hobby of mine and i enjoy it, and you know what? that's all that matters. Am i addicted to it? no i am not...i do it because i enjoy it and it makes me happy. Everyone has something they do for a hobby that they themselves enjoy and thus get their own self-gratification out of it...and yes there are some who have hobbies that do take it overboard and when they realize that..it is up to them to fix it. I speak from personal experience with in the past having been addicted to video games...i remedied the problem and fixed it..do i still play? yes. am i addicted? not anymore. I understand that the point of this post is how video/computer games can destroy lives, wreck marriages, put u in an extreme ammount of debt, but im just backing up this womans statement and defending her post against anyone who decides to flame it. The whole debate on "Virtual Chaos" is portraying video games as some evil corporation to destroy people...it's not the games that destroy people it's the people playing them that take it too far and destroy people. And im sure you have all heard the saying...."Gun's dont kill people, people kill people."
 
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October 23, 2008, 3:06 pm PDT

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Gonna have to say with all the posts about "gaming addiction" this has to be the one i appreciate the most. Everything she has stated in this is true in the most absolute sense. You can become addicted to anything in this world sex, drugs, movies ect.. and yes if your wondering i am a gamer...has my life been ruined by mmorpg's...no. Will it be? No. It depends on the person, just like everything. But Too be honest....compared to other horrifically violent video games....ex. Grand Theft Auto and the whole horde of games out there that are similiar to it, world of warcraft should be the least of y'alls worries. If i had children ill tell u i would be alot more at ease them playing world of warcraft alot...than playing games like grand theft auto...basically teling them that killing people is alright, or even movies for that matter. If you get addicted to something, it is your own fault and thus your own responsibility to fix the problem. Just like with smoking..there are steps to getting rid of the addiction...but someone else cant do it for you...you are the one that has to. Personally i play mmorpg's....not because they are a waste of time...like most people who have zero experience with video games think. I do it because it's a hobby of mine and i enjoy it, and you know what? that's all that matters. Am i addicted to it? no i am not...i do it because i enjoy it and it makes me happy. Everyone has something they do for a hobby that they themselves enjoy and thus get their own self-gratification out of it...and yes there are some who have hobbies that do take it overboard and when they realize that..it is up to them to fix it. I speak from personal experience with in the past having been addicted to video games...i remedied the problem and fixed it..do i still play? yes. am i addicted? not anymore. I understand that the point of this post is how video/computer games can destroy lives, wreck marriages, put u in an extreme ammount of debt, but im just backing up this womans statement and defending her post against anyone who decides to flame it. The whole debate on "Virtual Chaos" is portraying video games as some evil corporation to destroy people...it's not the games that destroy people it's the people playing them that take it too far and destroy people. And im sure you have all heard the saying...."Gun's dont kill people, people kill people."
I believe that this comment sums up the whole argument in a nutshell.  I agree with you on all levels.  Thanks for the great post.
 
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October 24, 2008, 9:02 am PDT

10/20 Virtual Chaos

I'm basically adressing my next post to all those out there that get the impression that it's the games fault...and the game is the reason X person got their life all screwed up, their marriaged wrecked...or in some cases suicide. Ground breaking new's people....It's the person who's behind the computer/tv screen playing the game...it has nothing to do with the game they are playing. Everyone in this world is different but stating that mmorpg's/video games are evil and they corrupt a person is a false statement. It's not only games u could relate this too, like i have mentioned in my previous post and in other posts before mine, You can get addicted to anything. Please tell me this, would u rather have your young child be addicted to playing a game where it teaches them that killing is a good thing, or let them watch movies filled with adultery and drugs...would u rather them be addicted to that? Or. would u rather have them be addicted to a game that has the ability to broaden and sharpen your mind and skills. think about that one. I wil also state something on a more personal level with the statement Dr. Phil made about us gamers=losers? Care to explain to me the logic on how that is supposed to help people? that sounds more like an insult to me. I mean instead of trying to give those people out there that ruin their lives because they get too carried away with something constructive criticizim....He calls us losers? hmm, interesting. Also on a personal note, and as i have mentioned before i am a non-addicted gamer that plays world of warcraft. You know what i play it for one reason, Self-Gratification and for a sense of accomplishment. The main goal of this mmorpg is to work together with other people to reach your designated goal, and after all the hard work u put into it and after u reach that goal it fills u with happiness and a sense that u accomplished something not many other people can do as a team. You can even relate this to your work environment or to anything in real life. Let's take for example a construction job for a hospital is there only 1 person that is going to build the entire hospital? by all means no, there is a team of experience individual's in various fields that use their unique skills and experience to benefit one another to reach their final goal...in this case being a fully built hospital. Gee i wonder what playing wow could teach a young child...especailly when they are considering their career. To sum it all up everyone your working together with in world of warcraft has a unique roll that they play...and if they dont perform to the best of their ability...they will not reach their goal as a team...so it teaches people to be able to sharpen their skills to think on their feet better...what to do in a certain situation and act with the best actions as fast as they can effectively and efficently. Im also not saying that their will not be people out there that take it overboard and ruin their lives because of it. Due to the fact that we are not perfect human beings....stuff like this will always happen, it depends on the person. Also, as another note....If U honestly need to listen to an old bald arrogant geezer tell u what to do in a situation where your doing too much of something to the point where it becomes unhealthy, then sorry but i feel really bad for you. It's only common sense where if your doing too much of something that it is unhealthy for you and hurting yourself and others that well, u stop u look at your situation and u remedy it. Just like smoking, it's unhealthy for you and when some people realize that it's bad for them and they want to stop doing it what do they do? they take steps to stop smoking ex. nicotein patches/gum ect...Well i think i have made my point. Believe me i do feel for those who have addiction issues to the point where it puts themselves and their family...and even in some extemely rare cases..their lives in jeopardy. I really do hope that those people fix their situation and their family problems get resolved. As i conclude let me leave you all with one last thought....Out of all the sick and perverse things in this world that your children or your loved ones could be doing, I think mmorpg's and video games should be the least of your worries.
 
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October 24, 2008, 11:42 pm PDT

glad I'm not the only one

Unfortunately I also am a game widow. Thought I was the only one. Just learned the term.  My husband's game of choice is Diablo ...WITH HIS MOTHER and many other games on his"PS3". We have a 2 year old son and are living in a nightmare. Counseling has helped some. Parents and fiances don't let this consume their lives. Gamers don't let life pass you by. You can't get the real moments back.
 
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