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Created on : Thursday, October 16, 2008, 10:37:46 am
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(Original Air Date: 10/20/08) Sixty-five percent of American households report playing computer and video games, and surprisingly, the average player is 35 years old. Computer games are supposed to be fun, but when a hobby turns into an obsession, virtual fantasy worlds can ruin lives and wreck marriages. Juli says her 34-year-old husband, Fred, plays computer games all day and ignores his entire family. Fred admits to spending up 10 hours a day in a cyber world, but will he call it an addiction? Fred’s stepson, Brandon, thinks Fred is lazy and that his mom can do better. Then, Brad, 40, was so addicted to games that he spent up to 80 hours a week locked in the basement with his computer. Not only did he accumulate close to $24,000 of debt, his addiction nearly cost him his marriage and his life! Next, Liz found her 21-year-old son, Shawn, dead at his computer from a self-inflicted gun shot. She says that a role-playing game in the virtual world transformed her son from a vibrant young adult into a depressed introvert, which ultimately led to his suicide. Liz founded Online Gamers Anonymous to educate others about the potential dangers of obsessive gaming. Then, when Wendy married a video game designer, she literally took matters into her own hands and started playing herself.  Are you or is someone you love at risk for video game addiction? Log on to DrPhil.com for a checklist of signs!

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October 26, 2008, 12:32 pm PDT

Either you trust him or you don't

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We share your same concerns and one thing I was disappointed about in this show, was the lack of advice about what to DO if you already know that your child spends too much time playing without having to "put a clock on them".  Our son (16) plays many games including Runescape, Halo, Rockband, etc. As a child, we lived on a street where there were never any kids his age to play with and the games were a good "filler".  Now he's in high school and has lots of friends, but even when they all get together, the video games are the main attraction and the center of attention.  We haven't wanted to make too much of it since he's a straight A student, but now that he's 16 and isn't anywhere close to growing out of it, we've recently decided it's our job to do an intervention.  We've given him the choice of finding other things to do...going to the gym, reading, taking up a sport, etc. and if he doesn't take it upon himself to make the changes, then he's going to have to get a part time job to occupy his time.  Seriously,we feel like all we do is harp on him all the time but he doesn't get it or see it and it's such a waste.  We have seriously considered just pulling the plug on ALL of  it.  He's a real happy and well adjusted kid and we don't have the depression to deal with...YET.  If he falls into depression over it, then that will just confirm what we already know which is that there is a problem and it needs to be dealt with now before he turns into one of those full-grown men on the show who can't experience the joy of a loving relationship with a wife and children because of a g-a-m-e.  If we manage to fix it at home, there's always the issue of going to a friends house where the parents aren't on the same page we are.  What to do, what to do???

      I think that you're making some serious mistakes. You're disiplining your son because he doesn't enjoy other hobbies, and you don't trust him to not become one of those two men who played MMORPG's until real life became a problem.

       This is what I suggest.

 

1) Games are like novels and movies. Research the games that your son plays and introduce him to other ways to enjoy those genres.

RPGs and Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games are in the Fantasy genre. Your son will likely be interested in reading books in this genre and watch movies in this genre.

1st and 3rd Person Shooters are in the war and action genre. Get him a toy gun, tell him no pointing it at people unless it's a nerf or squirt gun, and tell him to use his imagination outside.

If he plays sports games like Madden or Racing games, take him to something like Swings and Things and take him to the Go-Carts, or introduce him to the school's sports or a sporting League.

 

2) Do not disipline him without due cause. Until he breaks a legitimate rule, he should not be punished. If you expand his interests through plausible and reasonable means, he will likely filter those new interests to his friends.

 

      This should get you better results.

 
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October 26, 2008, 8:54 pm PDT

video game addictions

as a video game addicted person i know how it is to play i have been playing video games for 10 years straight and people say if you are addicted to video games you can barely "log back in" to real life.

me and my cousin were going to create awesome games but now i am going to confince him for us to make games that you get better equipment and acessories for excersising so the more you get in shape the better you have a chance to beat the game. video game addictors are always doing what ever they can to beat the game but if you get in shape in order to beat the game the healther the econimy get evr the years.

 
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October 27, 2008, 3:54 am PDT

Lolz!!

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    The game called World of Warcraft. Ive heard that only NERDS, DORKS and GEEKS and really really highly educated people like to play that game...........
Very nicely done!
 
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October 27, 2008, 4:01 am PDT

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      I think that you're making some serious mistakes. You're disiplining your son because he doesn't enjoy other hobbies, and you don't trust him to not become one of those two men who played MMORPG's until real life became a problem.

       This is what I suggest.

 

1) Games are like novels and movies. Research the games that your son plays and introduce him to other ways to enjoy those genres.

RPGs and Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games are in the Fantasy genre. Your son will likely be interested in reading books in this genre and watch movies in this genre.

1st and 3rd Person Shooters are in the war and action genre. Get him a toy gun, tell him no pointing it at people unless it's a nerf or squirt gun, and tell him to use his imagination outside.

If he plays sports games like Madden or Racing games, take him to something like Swings and Things and take him to the Go-Carts, or introduce him to the school's sports or a sporting League.

 

2) Do not disipline him without due cause. Until he breaks a legitimate rule, he should not be punished. If you expand his interests through plausible and reasonable means, he will likely filter those new interests to his friends.

 

      This should get you better results.

your ideas are really great as a gamer and my family loves video games we some times play game together as a family like mario kart and mario party 8. so you should hang out with your child do not let them play game you think they a not mature enough to play.my cousin(8) plays grand theft auto sanandras and get excited when he steals a cops car kills the officer and runs 50 people over. when i play the game i drive crazy but i have 10 years of gaming experience so i dont kill people unless the mission is to.

so i have i idea like DR. Phil said see how much your kids play video games reward them for the amount of hours they get exercise and read library books. if your child goes over a friends house talk to their parents about this our show them this episode.but game teach you hand eye cordnazation, i play soccer and take computer application at school and it has paid off.

so strect your kids to a serain amount of hours they can play. the wii,xbox 360 and computers have parental controls where you can set the amount of time spent on the games, but the wii over heats after 4 hours of play,do not set a password on the pc, some days your child needs the internet for school or to sent you a email. you can block game websites.

get your children the new ME2 handheld were they can get lots of fun stuff for there avatar online for exersicing

some days play racing games with your child or exersice games like wii fit .

 
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October 27, 2008, 12:31 pm PDT

Virtual Addictions - Kids & Online Gaming Addiction

Though this show was informative, it seemed to gear primarly toward the adult world of virtual gaming.  What about our children that are locking themselves in their rooms?  I have a 13 year old son, who over the last 2 years has been diagnosed as ADHD/Bi-Polar.  My heart is torn, is this diag accurate, or is it more of his gaming addiction? Yes, he is on meds, and the online gaming just got worse.  I know, "just take it away", have rules, make a contract, I have failed at then all.  He threatens physical harm to himself and others if I take that world away from him.  I'm a single mom and am watching my 13 year old give up on life and escape into the virtual world of video games.  His Doctors seem to glance over this as the major issue.  I have read that the ASP has been asked to look into Online gaming addiction as a official diag.  Ok, then what?  Where do these kids get help?  It is SAD to say, that if it was a drug or alchohol addiction, I could pick up the phone and have him put into rehab.  But I don't have that option.  This is real, and it is destroying families, the world that our kids are growing up in is a far cry from what ANY of us adults 30+ ever dealt with in our youth.  Are these kids going mis-diagnosed and taking medications that aren't really addressing the underlying problem?  Dr. Phil Show, Please, Please, further investigate the world of online gaming that is taking our adolencents out of the REAL WORLD.
 

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October 27, 2008, 1:16 pm PDT

Bi-Polar is suspect

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Though this show was informative, it seemed to gear primarly toward the adult world of virtual gaming.  What about our children that are locking themselves in their rooms?  I have a 13 year old son, who over the last 2 years has been diagnosed as ADHD/Bi-Polar.  My heart is torn, is this diag accurate, or is it more of his gaming addiction? Yes, he is on meds, and the online gaming just got worse.  I know, "just take it away", have rules, make a contract, I have failed at then all.  He threatens physical harm to himself and others if I take that world away from him.  I'm a single mom and am watching my 13 year old give up on life and escape into the virtual world of video games.  His Doctors seem to glance over this as the major issue.  I have read that the ASP has been asked to look into Online gaming addiction as a official diag.  Ok, then what?  Where do these kids get help?  It is SAD to say, that if it was a drug or alchohol addiction, I could pick up the phone and have him put into rehab.  But I don't have that option.  This is real, and it is destroying families, the world that our kids are growing up in is a far cry from what ANY of us adults 30+ ever dealt with in our youth.  Are these kids going mis-diagnosed and taking medications that aren't really addressing the underlying problem?  Dr. Phil Show, Please, Please, further investigate the world of online gaming that is taking our adolencents out of the REAL WORLD.

         I would like more information.

1) What game or games consumes your son's time?

2) How much time does he play it/them?

3) Does his severe mood swings occur when he is pulled away from the game/games?

 

       The way you wrote this post; I think that your son's bi-polar diagnosis is an inaccurate diagnosis. Please bare in mind, I'm not a doctor, and I could be miss interpreting what I read.

 

I would like to know what genre those game/games are if you're able. You can give me a list of his games, and I'll look into them if you would prefer.

 
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October 27, 2008, 2:33 pm PDT

My God

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your ideas are really great as a gamer and my family loves video games we some times play game together as a family like mario kart and mario party 8. so you should hang out with your child do not let them play game you think they a not mature enough to play.my cousin(8) plays grand theft auto sanandras and get excited when he steals a cops car kills the officer and runs 50 people over. when i play the game i drive crazy but i have 10 years of gaming experience so i dont kill people unless the mission is to.

so i have i idea like DR. Phil said see how much your kids play video games reward them for the amount of hours they get exercise and read library books. if your child goes over a friends house talk to their parents about this our show them this episode.but game teach you hand eye cordnazation, i play soccer and take computer application at school and it has paid off.

so strect your kids to a serain amount of hours they can play. the wii,xbox 360 and computers have parental controls where you can set the amount of time spent on the games, but the wii over heats after 4 hours of play,do not set a password on the pc, some days your child needs the internet for school or to sent you a email. you can block game websites.

get your children the new ME2 handheld were they can get lots of fun stuff for there avatar online for exersicing

some days play racing games with your child or exersice games like wii fit .

An eight year old?  Playing GTA San Andreas???  That's like...rated MATURE!!!  I'm a gamer too, but I think that's a little too far and a mistake on the parent's part for not monitoring what the child plays.  That's the last game he should be playing at that age, I believe.
 

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October 27, 2008, 3:33 pm PDT

observation noted

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The woman sounded like she was condescending.   Maybe that was the reason why her husband got into video games because he felt like he need an outlet to escape that.  Sorry, I didn't make that clear, however, if you're feeling guilty and wondering what you did wrong, that doesn't mean you should go and start taking it out on other people.  Frankly, I don't give any type of care to what your going through or your situtation.  If that spouse in your life is playing games like no tommorow then maybe you should take a little bit of time to look at yourself in the mirror.  Cheap shots?  I think not.  I believe you're just sensitive because of something that YOU did wrong.  --shrugs and smirks--
 Observation noted and justified.  Perhaps if you would re-read my earlier post you will find that "looking in the mirror for what I've done wrong" is exactly what I've been doing.  Thanks for the clarification.
 

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October 27, 2008, 3:44 pm PDT

thanks

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He is shutting you out.  For a man to turn to ANYONE OR ANYTHING but his wife is wrong!  I would highly suggest a counselor that specializes in online and/or sex addictions.  As I mentoned in my previous post, you are living with a roomate.  You have to look at your vows.  Will he go to church with you?

 

I would try whatever I can to get him back to reality.  The two of you are worth it.  Your marriage is worth it.

 

If this is going on at home,what is he doing at work?  Really play detective and see what you are dealing with.  Any strange charges on credit cards, porn, etc.  You have to see what kind of beast you are fighting.

 

My prayers are with you.

 Thanks for the advice and support.  There have been no stranged charges on the credit card nor withdrawals from the bank.  Both our paychecks are direct deposit--so the finances are fine.  Work hasn't been affected--no problems or issues.  No evidence of porn.

It just seems to be an escape from the everyday for him.  He says he feels successful in the game because he is producing articles of his own design that people are "buying".  He has also become very involved in a veterans project in the game which has helped him deal with the loss of a family member in Iraq.  At first I thought this was a good thing because it seemed to help relieve the stress from work and the grief in his heart. 

Since my original post he doesn't seem to be spending as much time in the game.  He is going to bed earlier and spending more time away from the computer and more time doing other things.

Again, thank you for the advice and support, we will get past this bump in the road as we always have,  this one will just take a little more work.
 
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October 27, 2008, 3:49 pm PDT

Oops, I'm sorry, I read your comment wrong

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 Observation noted and justified.  Perhaps if you would re-read my earlier post you will find that "looking in the mirror for what I've done wrong" is exactly what I've been doing.  Thanks for the clarification.
Whoa, holy crap.  Sorry, read your comment wrong.  I was slightly in a bad mood and lashed out.  But uh, sorry and thanks for seeing my point.  I don't mean to be mean, I just see things like this all the time and I just have to call them out.  I mean no offense to you, and I'm sorry if I said anything to offend you--which I most likely may have.  So yeah, my bad.  Sometimes I just let my emotions run wild.
 
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