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(Original Air Date: 10/21/2008) Whether it’s the fear of spiders or the fear of dying, fears and phobias can steal your peace of mind and even dominate your life. Meet Kathleen, a mother of three, who says her entire world is built around more than 30 fears that include driving, flying, being alone and taking medication. Her life has gotten so out of control that her two teenagers dropped out of school to take care of her, and her 9-year-old is absent so often, she may follow in their footsteps. Kathleen, who wants to stop being a prisoner to her anxieties, faces many of her fears just to get to Los Angeles to see Dr. Phil. What’s at the root of her paralyzing phobias, and can she take back her life for the sake of her family? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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October 24, 2008, 9:06 am PDT

Kathleen-What do you fear?

I can understand how phobias can affect someone, but come on, what are the daughters doing?  While one room in the house is clean, the rest of the house is filthy! You live what you see.  Clean up to mess, get the house in order and your mood will lighten.  It's not a cure all for her problems but it is a start. If she is aware enough to be on the Dr Phil show, she is aware enough to seek some kind of treatment.  Also, who is the parent?  Her daughters should never have quit school.  And why both of them? This is rapidly becoming a habit and their family culture.  In order to overcome a fear, you must embrace it. Learn about it instead of letting it victimize you.
 
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October 24, 2008, 10:36 am PDT

Learning to deal with fear is a universal problem

When I am afraid, I find that memorizing quotes like the ones below and saying them like a mantra helps me through a fearful situation. Bible quotes are especially helpful because they stir faith in me, and help me realize that I am not alone.  Bible verses can be claimed, and made your own. You have a right to pray to God, and let him know that you are believing in him to fulfil any promise made in the bible, I find Psalm 91 very powerful, and reassuring, and read it whenever I feel uncertain.

 

Frank Herbert's quote on the subject is also sound though, and full of wisdom. Using this method of dealing with fear helps me a lot.

 

I must not fear.

Fear is the mind killer

Fear is the little death that brings about total obliteration.

I will face my fear.

I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.

Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.

Only I will remain.

 

Frank Herbert, Dune Page 19

 

I find this little verse to be very helpful, because it is so short, and easy to remember no matter how afraid I am.

 

For God hath not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind.

 

2nd Timothy, 1:7

 

From this we see that fear isn't a god given reaction, it is a temptation, and there is a choice to accept this gift of power, love and sound mind instead of fear.

 

Overall fear is the opposite of faith and trust. Fear is best fought with faith, and LOVE. "Perfect Love casts out all fear." Fear is the key negative emotion, which leads to every other negative emotion. Banishing fear is the biggest step towards a happy life, and it is an everyday struggle for everyone. Not everyone is afraid of the same things, but everyone struggles with some fears, either rational or irrational. This fear is the root cause of most of mankind's problems, Our worst behaviors are brought on by fear, and our best reaction is always to base our behavior and our feelings in love and faith. If you believe good things will happen to you, then usually that is exactly what happens, but if you are afraid something bad will happen, you defeat yourself before you even start.

 

We all wrestle with fear at times, and most of us have hidden fears as well as conscious ones. We lie to ourselves sometimes and don't admit our real fears, and then this symbolic representation phobia stuff comes out instead. In symbolism for example someone who is afraid of cats has problems with femininity, and spirituality, Spiders represent knowledge of something we don't want to know. They are symbols of the things we glance at in our minds and look away before seeing clearly. We all have those thoughts that we dismiss quickly because we cannot bare to examine them. Yet examine them we must. Inversely it may be the feeling of motion that stirs driving and flying fears... it could simply be a fear of movement... or progressing forward. I think this woman should ask what she fears. If I had ot guess, I'd say she fears getting old, or her daugthers growing up and abandoning her. She also fears some specific  task, responsibility or occurance, which she subconsciousy forsees and wants to duck out of, but she doesn't see it consciously. It isn't that her conscious mind is deliberately faking these phobias, it is that she can't deal with what she is honestly afraid of, and instead projects her fears onto less logical things, which anyone can dismiss as rediculous. In short I think she fears the passage of time, and the uncertainty of the future... possibly having to rely on her self once her support system is gone. Now that is a RATIONAL reasonable thing to be afraid of, but once she faces the real issue, it will no longer be that booggie man in the closet. IT will be something she can pull out and learn to deal with.

 

Kim

 
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October 24, 2008, 12:07 pm PDT

I feel for you...

Girl, do I see myself in you.  I have been right where you are.  It is hard for people to understand if they have not been there. People will say things in judgement . Unless you have been there you don't know what it is like.  I know that fear of taking medicine, fear of dying and leaving your children without a mother.  I really hope you will find peace, some days I have peace and some days I don't but that is a step up from what it was.  You can do this with the help of Dr. Phil and family.  You Can...I wish you nothing but the best and will keep you in my thoughs and prayers..  Keep the faith..
 

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October 24, 2008, 4:15 pm PDT

U need to go back to school!

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My first thought is that she is suffering from Paranoid Schizophrenia.A person diagnosed with schizophrenia may demonstrate auditory hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized and unusual thinking and speech; this may range from loss of train of thought and subject flow, with sentences only loosely connected in meaning, to incoherence, known as word salad, in severe cases.

 

Social isolation commonly occurs for a variety of reasons. Impairment in social cognition is associated with schizophrenia, as are symptoms of paranoia from delusions and hallucinations, and the negative symptoms of avolition (apathy or lack of motivation). In one uncommon subtype, the person may be largely mute, remain motionless in bizarre postures, or exhibit purposeless agitation; these are signs of catatonia. No one sign is diagnostic of schizophrenia, and all can occur in other medical and psychiatric conditions.

Goood Lord, (perhaps you should talk to him)  you counsel people and cant tell the dif, between panix/anx/agoraphobia and schizophrenia!?!?!?!?  This gal, tho showing paronia etc.and isolation (which is VERY common to those of us with anx. disorders/agoraphobia and depression) did not exhibit symptoms of schizophrenia!  And (uh hem) I do think the staff of the Doc Phil show would have taken that into serious consideration before putting her on a show gauged towards those of us with anx. disorder.

How woud I know this.....Im a tested tried and true agorahobic and NOT a schizophrenic who had a clinically dxed mother who was! Yes we all worry-sometimes to the point of paranoia, even those of us without any apparent or admitted dis-orders.  Go back to to your DSM-4, In fact Im suprised you left out bi-polar, she exhibed the signs of that more so thatn being schizo!

 
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October 25, 2008, 9:29 am PDT

your right!

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Would you like to get a coffee before they get here with the kindling and matches?  ;-)
it doesn't matter if your a christian or not, you can still get to what you want to be out of life, but, if you get cancer, can you be healed instanly?  i'm living prove, that God healed me instanly, without meds. or a operation. someone prayed for haeling for me, the night that i got saved. and not only that, i had just found out that i had cancer from a doctor. the church that i went ther ( for the 1st. time) did not know anything about me, and after i got saved- God showed the pastor in the bible, that i was sick and needed prayed for. and even showed the pastor where the cancer was. can anyone do that for you? i was in a real bad car accident, when we had got into the car. i didn't want to put on my seat belt, but something in side me kept screeming to. (the Holy Spirit)  so, i did. not a block away, a van ran a red light a 15yrold was driving , the inpact was so hard, that it turned the car around and total it. when the abumance came the abumance driver came to get me out of the car. he looked at me and told me if i haven't had the seat belt on , i would of went through the window and died. then, another time,i had 3 roommates, one had to move out, cause she was in drugs. the minstry i was in offer to pay for her to go to the best rehab place and she refuse. so she had to move out. we were short by 100.00 dollars for rent. no one knew except us. we went to a meeting, and one of our frinds stayed and babysitted for us. when we got home, the babysitter handed us a enevlope and said he had never seen that person before, we opened it up and there was 100.00 that we needed for rent. so, you see God is REAL!  as i said before christians and un belivers both can make things happen for there self in life but, christians has the bennifits of being God's kids. those are just a very few things that God has done in my life. but of coure the most inportant thing is when i became a christian  i have all my sins forgiven and now, i am heaven bound, and all this would'nt of been possible without jesus. there is a different being a christian and being religous. and i have been set free and walking on the promises of God. and i'm a christian not a religous freak.
 
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October 25, 2008, 9:36 am PDT

f-e-a-r-

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When I am afraid, I find that memorizing quotes like the ones below and saying them like a mantra helps me through a fearful situation. Bible quotes are especially helpful because they stir faith in me, and help me realize that I am not alone.  Bible verses can be claimed, and made your own. You have a right to pray to God, and let him know that you are believing in him to fulfil any promise made in the bible, I find Psalm 91 very powerful, and reassuring, and read it whenever I feel uncertain.

 

Frank Herbert's quote on the subject is also sound though, and full of wisdom. Using this method of dealing with fear helps me a lot.

 

I must not fear.

Fear is the mind killer

Fear is the little death that brings about total obliteration.

I will face my fear.

I will permit it to pass over me and through me.

And when it has gone past, I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.

Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.

Only I will remain.

 

Frank Herbert, Dune Page 19

 

I find this little verse to be very helpful, because it is so short, and easy to remember no matter how afraid I am.

 

For God hath not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind.

 

2nd Timothy, 1:7

 

From this we see that fear isn't a god given reaction, it is a temptation, and there is a choice to accept this gift of power, love and sound mind instead of fear.

 

Overall fear is the opposite of faith and trust. Fear is best fought with faith, and LOVE. "Perfect Love casts out all fear." Fear is the key negative emotion, which leads to every other negative emotion. Banishing fear is the biggest step towards a happy life, and it is an everyday struggle for everyone. Not everyone is afraid of the same things, but everyone struggles with some fears, either rational or irrational. This fear is the root cause of most of mankind's problems, Our worst behaviors are brought on by fear, and our best reaction is always to base our behavior and our feelings in love and faith. If you believe good things will happen to you, then usually that is exactly what happens, but if you are afraid something bad will happen, you defeat yourself before you even start.

 

We all wrestle with fear at times, and most of us have hidden fears as well as conscious ones. We lie to ourselves sometimes and don't admit our real fears, and then this symbolic representation phobia stuff comes out instead. In symbolism for example someone who is afraid of cats has problems with femininity, and spirituality, Spiders represent knowledge of something we don't want to know. They are symbols of the things we glance at in our minds and look away before seeing clearly. We all have those thoughts that we dismiss quickly because we cannot bare to examine them. Yet examine them we must. Inversely it may be the feeling of motion that stirs driving and flying fears... it could simply be a fear of movement... or progressing forward. I think this woman should ask what she fears. If I had ot guess, I'd say she fears getting old, or her daugthers growing up and abandoning her. She also fears some specific  task, responsibility or occurance, which she subconsciousy forsees and wants to duck out of, but she doesn't see it consciously. It isn't that her conscious mind is deliberately faking these phobias, it is that she can't deal with what she is honestly afraid of, and instead projects her fears onto less logical things, which anyone can dismiss as rediculous. In short I think she fears the passage of time, and the uncertainty of the future... possibly having to rely on her self once her support system is gone. Now that is a RATIONAL reasonable thing to be afraid of, but once she faces the real issue, it will no longer be that booggie man in the closet. IT will be something she can pull out and learn to deal with.

 

Kim

       f= fear

        e= evedinces

        a=  appearing

         r= real

            fear  is the evedinces of something appearing real.

              

            God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and love and of sound mind.

         whenever fear overtakes you, claim that promise out loud from God's word.  it will help. but, of couse you have to belive it.

 
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October 27, 2008, 5:29 am PDT

10/21 What Do You Fear?

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Hi Dr Phil, this woman is ridiculous, and has not only ruined her life with this nonsense, but is ruining her childrens' lives. I live in Africa, and believe you me there is not time for this kind of bullshit! She should have some real problems to deal with like hunger etc and then she can catch a wake up! Everyone is going to die some day, so what you do with your life between being born and dying is what counts, not adding up how many phobias you can collect. She needs to grow up and get a life!! Let her come to Africa, (if she doesn't collapse before getting to the airport), and see what real survival is all about.
There is an OBVIOUS difference between the life in many parts of Africa, and the lives lead here in the Western world.  I can understand what you are saying, but there is a clear psychological difference between fear of going hungry, fear of children dying, fear of HIV.... compared with fears due to chemical imbalances in the brain.  It's one thing to be in survival mode, it's another to be in a world where we're offered our conveniences, yet we're wrecked by fear anyway.  Why do you think everyone calls us nuts?  If we ARE nuts, then we obviously need to find the skills and the options to rise above... which I believe is the reason for Kathleen being on Dr. Phil in the first place.

I think a trip to regions of Africa would be very beneficial for Kathleen.  The exposures would be enough to influence at east some of her thinking patterns, and may put things into perspective for her.  But I can garauntee you, if I were to go to Africa, India, Afgahnistan... untreated, my panic would follow, if I hadn't already learned the skills to deal with it.

I just imagine when my parents were extremely worried for mine or my brothers' safety, how they would have felt if anyone said "Try living in Africa!" ....doesn't make sense.  I am glad however, that you are in a position over there to watch Dr. Phil and have internet access.  That must be a comfort.
 
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October 27, 2008, 11:14 am PDT

Fearful

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I too was shocked by Dr. Phil's comment about "getting a pay off"; however, I was very please with Dr. Lawless and the other professional's there.  They seemed to understand that this is a chemical imbalance in the brain.  I have also suffered from OCD and depression from the age of 12.  I think it has something to do with hormone changes.  Unfortunately, it gets worse.  After my first child was born I had Postpartum OCD (which no one talks about), psychosis, and years of depression.  Once again hormonal changes are the cause.  Thank God I recovered and now have a rebellious teenager.  About two years ago, I became very physically ill.  I didn't know why.  I went to countless doctor's and emergency room visits. To make a long story short, I have food allergies, which is life threatening.  I fear every time I eat out I could die.  So, I have to eat home most of the time. Even the air can trigger an asthma attack.  I still can't tell if I'm having a panic attack at times or if it's asthma.  I am now on disability because of a mood disorder, bipolar I.  Im currently on a mood stabilizer, anti-depressants, and anxiety medications.  These medications have made my life manageable.  I still hate flying, but I can do it without feeling like Im going to die.  I empathize with the lady on the show.  I have lived it.  Some of my fears are rational and some are irrational, fortunately anxiety is one of the most treatable illnesses you can have.  One thing I've learned is that you have to take charge of your life.  I kept going to doctors until I figured out what was wrong.  Unlike the lady in the story, I hide my problems from my family until I was admitted to a mental institution.  I also have a strong family history of mental illness and afraid of spending my last days in an institution.  I've been a faithful Dr. Phil fan since he was on the Oprah show and this is my first message.  Thank you Dr. Phil for talking about phobias.  I look foward to many more seasons of your show!

Thank you for your understanding and encouraging words.  I had no idea until I came on this message board and heard from you that there were so many other people with this problem.  I really haven't disclosed what my phobias are, because this is the first time that I have been on any message board in my life, and I'm pretty embarrassed about it.  I have several of them and they interfere with my daily life.  I think about them hundreds of time a day and can't seem to make it stop in my mind.  I've tried several Dr's over the years, and several medications, but to no avail.  I can't take anti depressants because they make me suicidal.  I haven't flown for many years now, because of the panic attacks and I always feel clostrophobic and want to get off the plane.  I swear if they gave me a parachute, I would jump out.  I've heard that some people say that panic attacks only last about 20 minutes. I beg to differ, as I've had them last for several hours, and I not only feel like I'm going to die, but wish I would.  I'm a senior care giver part time, and sometimes that even scares me.  Having to see on a daily basis what it's going to be like when we're old and have so many other problems.  I have a horse, and used to show him, but had to quit 10 years ago because I couldn't do it anymore.  It really caused me a lot of grief.  Now I do trail ride, but I have to have everything I need in my saddle bags, including Xanax, toilet paper, water, and a snack.  I even carry a compass, and a whistle, in case I run into any bears.  One time I was riding in the mountains, and a bobcat jumped out onto the trail in front of me.  It scared the heck out of me and my horse.  Luckily, he took off the other way.  I've never ridden there again.  My horse is the only thing that keeps me sane with all of this.  I too have been watching Dr. Phil since the beginning, and am so glad that he broached this subject, as people usually don't understand how debilitating it is.  Thanks to the people who responded to my post, and I hope to talk to you all soon.  I don't really get on this computer very often, usually only to check my e-mail, but I will try to check in more often.  It's good to talk to other people who understand.  Thanks again.

 
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October 27, 2008, 11:31 am PDT

10/21 What Do You Fear?

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Hey everyone...I know this is a serious conversation and I really hope she can get some help and get her life back. She was obviously suffering. But, I thought I would add something silly to hopefully make some people laugh. I am afraid of cotton balls. No joke. and I know it's stupid and ridiculous but I can't help it. It's not really the cotton ball itself it's more the feel of one. And I can't stand to watch somebody pull one apart. AGH!!!  I get the creeps just talking about it. I know that this is a stupid and silly phobia and I don't mind making fun of myself for it. That being said I really feel for all the people out there with REAL phobias like flying, or afraid of dying, or whatever. I can't imagine how hard that must be. Especially if you fear something that's difficult to avoid. I'm so sorry and I wish you all the best of luck.

You are a kick.  I wish I had your sense of humor.  I understand about phobias, I have some that are ridiculous also, and I'm embarassed to say what they are, but I can tell you that I understand that when you have a phobia of anything, even cotton balls, it's very real to you and you shouldn't be made to feel bad about that.  I too can make fun of my phobias and how stupid they are, but when it actually happens, it's not fun at all, and I wish that I would die, rather than go through it.  It's not only mentally hard for me, but physically hard also.  I don't have any suggestions for you on what to do, as I'm on here to find some answers for myself that I've been looking for for years, and haven't found yet.  Don't let anyone take away from you fear by saying that they aren't real.  I wish you the strength to find a way to cope with it, and I loved reading your post.  Thanks for the funny!

 

 
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October 27, 2008, 11:36 am PDT

Ditto

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I have read some of the messages on this board and I am disgusted with some of the cruel and nasty comments made about this woman and her illness. To call her selfish, lazy and trying just to get attention does nothing but add to her guilt and suffering. This is why so few people are willing to admit they have an anxiety disorder. Society blames the person, not their ilness, and for some strange reason thinks the person is weak and at fault for their suffering.  Society sees people with these terrible disorders as someone to laugh at and make insensitive remarks. Would you tell a person who has just had open-heart surgery that they are using it as an excuse to not shovel snow?? Mental illness can be just as debilitating but IT IS NOT THE PERSON'S FAULT.

PS: I think Kathleen was a much braver woman than I to even get on a plane. I don't know how anyone can travel by air these days.(-:  

I agree with you totally.  I have never been on message boards before.  This is my first time, but I almost didn't want to post anything or get involved after I read some of the messages that people put up that basically say to just get over it.  My mother used to say that, and it made it so much worse for me.  My son has some major problems now, and I am supporting him 100 percent, and will never say those things to him because I get it.  Glad you stepped up and stepped on some of these un empathetic people. 
 
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