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Created on : Friday, October 17, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/22/08) Once a woman has a baby, the biological father is legally bound to provide financial support for the child. But what should a man do if he discovers he's responsible for a child he didn't know existed? Two years ago, Matt appeared on the show to discuss his court case dubbed "Roe vs. Wade for Men." Since then, Matt's case has been thrown out of court multiple times. And his mom, Diane, says the state has made an example out of her son and destroyed him financially and emotionally. Joining Matt and Diane is Mel Feit, Matt's advocate and director of the National Center for Men, and Gloria Allred, president of the Women's Equal Rights Legal Defense and Education Fund. Don't miss the lively debate that ensues! Next, Nicol says she thought she and her husband, Noel, had the ideal family life with a happy marriage and two children. Her dream shattered when Noel's ex-girlfriend called and requested that he get a DNA paternity test for a baby he never knew existed. Find out how the test results have changed Noel and Nicol’s lives. And, you won't believe what the baby's mother has to say! Then, what happens if a man becomes a sperm donor for a friend and years later she takes him to court for child support? Attorney John Purcell represented a man in a similar case which changed the law in Pennsylvania. And, TV and radio star Jay Thomas was contacted by his biological son 18 years after he was placed for adoption. He shares the story of their meeting. Find out if it's been a smooth reunion for Jay and his child or if they've hit rocky patches. Talk about the show here.

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October 22, 2008, 1:56 pm PDT

man should have the same rights as a woman

Ok now i'm a woman and I'm upset about this! Why is that a woman can choose not to have anything to do with thier kids and not have to worry about taking care of them. But if you are a man bewear! You have no right!  WHATEVER!!!!!! If a man tells a woman that he doesn't want kids, and she says that she can't have kids that to me is a sign that she was trying to trap a man. Now should that be right? Why is that ok? Woman can be something and get away with anything!

 

 

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October 22, 2008, 1:57 pm PDT

Being forced to be a father

No one made them have sex.  Why is it always the responsibility of the women to make sure they can't get pregnant?   If the man doesn't want to be a father, keep it in his pants.  If you want to play, you may have to pay.  I don't feel sorry for the men who have to pay to support their children.  I feel sorry for the children who will never have the love of a father. 
 

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October 22, 2008, 1:58 pm PDT

Forced to be a Father?

Every man that has sex and a baby results made a choice to have that sex therefore what can result from having sex is a baby. If a man chooses to not be a Father he should abstain from having sex, because a baby can result from having sex wether a woman is on birth control or not.

 

I am so tired of deadbeat parents!  I fight in court for many years to obtain child support of only $77.00 a week, this is very little towards raising a child,.  The braces on the teeth cost $6000. alone, the medical insurance for myself and 1 child costs $300. out of my paycheck biweekly.  Thats not to mention food, clothing, shelter etc....

 

Have a show regarding all the people in my shoes , raising a child alone with only 1 income.  I have a court order that Im suppose to receive help, but do not, I have to keep going back to court over and over again to try to force the deadbeat parent to pay this small amount.  Just this year, this deadbeat had another child, great another child brought into the world that will not have support from both parents.,

 

meanwhile, I take care of all the expenses myself which is definately a struggle and I dont get to have sex because I know what the result can be and cant afford another child on my own and if I were to engage in sex I would be choosing to be a parent again because there is that possibility when you have sex.

 

So these men that say they didnt choose to be a Father, dont have sex then I will believe you since that is the only clear evidence that is your choice!  I think you are just choosing to not have the responsibility of the kid with child support (money) and time and love.

 

 
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October 22, 2008, 1:58 pm PDT

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Are you kidding , I had 4 doctors tell me ,I could not get pregnant and 10 years later I got pregnant . Was that a trap .If men don't want babies and women are so manipulative than they should wrap it, Or their just stupid.
ok but were you on "birth control" too? she said she was, that was missleading and therefor a trap 
 
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October 22, 2008, 1:58 pm PDT

To be a parent or not to be; that is the question

Don't get me wrong, I believe the father should definitely have to step up. But I believe the mother should to. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of our nation with stressing women's rights and not equal rights for men, women, and children. It makes me sick that Gloria Allred is acting like she cares about the child's rights. She cares about the child's rights outside of the womb but not inside of the womb. Sounds like to me she doesn't care about the child's rights at all.

I am a woman and I have had a child to. I will admit that pregnancy was not fun for me and was uncomfortable and at times painful. However, I cannot imagine aborting my child without the man's consent. That would be so selfish of me to do and not fair to him. He is just as responsible for making the child as I am. He should not be punished because God decided to make women to be the ones to carry the children for 9 months. The mother should not be punished for choosing to have her child while the father gets to opt out. And the child should not be punished for being brought into the world without 2 loving parents. These are things that should not happen, however, it is a sad reality in the world we live in.
 
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October 22, 2008, 1:58 pm PDT

"Forced" to be a father~cough~b.s~cough

 

I find it absolutely rediculous for a "grown man" to say:

~Whine~..."she said she couldnt get pregnant"...

~whine~ "i TOLD her i didnt wanna have a kid".....

 

Then CHOOSE to have UNPROTECTED sex and  honestly feel that the subject matter is closed and they have no consequences for their actions ( or the LACK of participating in SAFE sex)

 

The mother actually supporting this young man is pretty hard to take as well... what in the hell has she taught her son about being RESPONSIBLE...and how can she NOT see how precious this sweet INNOCENT child is and how she is missing out on so much with her own flesh and blood grandchild.. Not to mention the fact that if her "perfect...innocent...trapped...being made an example of" son had SIMPLY,...placed a condom on his penis before engaging in consentual unprotected sex this child wouldnt even exsist.

Now, he's pouting and wants to say how unfairly hes been treated..i say its a cop out... there are consequences for ALL of our  actions as well as inactions. We are all adults and dont always know what to do or where to turn but the decisions we make ; whether right or wrong; are ours to bear...

Thats just my opinion

 

Wow i was so pissed when i saw this show...

weak minded people blame others for their transgressions.

 

 

 

 
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October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

10/22 Forced to Be a Father

I don't know...is it just me...or is anyone else disgusted with Matt and his mother?

 

I raised a son and from the time he was old enough to understand, I taught him about responsibility...and that included sex ed and birth control and being VERY careful who he decided to be with. I also told him that if he ever got a girl pregnant, the child would be HIS, too and he would support that child, no ifs ands or buts!!  HE took those words to heart because he knew I meant them! There would be no getting out of it. He never got any girl pregnant.

 

Matt brings his mommy on the show to stick up for him and defend his irresponsibility, with absolutely no regard for this child he made.  I wonder how Diane would feel if it were her daughter who got pregnant and the guy wanted to bolt, leaving her with the burden all alone.....would that be okay with Diane?

 

I'll bet not! 

 
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October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

10/22 Forced to Be a Father

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If this topic was on deadbeat moms, I would say the same thing.  Women have it even 'easier' since they can get on birth control.  But the topic is deadbeat dads.

As far as abortion, I'm not really sure how they can make things fair since women are the ones that have to deal with the physical discomforts/stresses of pregnancy.  Yes, a man could say he wants a kid, but his body isn't the one that's going to be messed up for the  next 9 months... (not to mention the labor, which is INSANELY painful). 

Now, if it's the other way around... well, I don't know.  While I do think his feelings should be considered, it still goes back to the point that he had unprotected sex, an adult act that could lead to adult consequences. 

If the law allows him to abandon the child because he wanted the woman to get an abortion, then the child becomes punished yet again. 

I have 2 children, and labor was long and painful for both since my epidural failed, and I completely disagree with you.  You are talking about 9-months out of a life time.  It isn't so horrible as everyone makes it out to be.  Women talk about the choice to do what they want with their body, but they make it sound like it's a terrible experience that just goes on and on.  All I'm saying is that the discomforts of pregnancy shouldn't deter from the topic at hand.  My point is that women can choose after the deed is done, men are bound to the woman's decision.  Dr. Phil had a guy on once that found out about a pregnancy either really late in the pregnancy or after the child was born, and he was still on the hook for that child.

 

I firmly feel that the choice was made once they decided to have sex, so both are on the hook.

 

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October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

10/22 Forced to Be a Father

I believe a very high percentage of "unplanned" pregnancies are very calculated and planned by women. I think many, many men are trapped. Yes, they take this risk when having sex, but it's unfair how many women are willing to do this for thier own selfish reasons. C'mon, if you truly don't want to become pregnant you won't, it's not rocket science. I think these women need to start considering a little more who they're trapping into this. I know of married women who do this to thier husbands after they've expressed not wanting any more children. Women are conniving and deceptive, especially when they're focused on marriage and children.
 
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October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm PDT

Forced to be a father

Why are all these shows about dead beat dads and not moms?  My husbund got handed his son when he was 3 because the mother did not have time for him.  Which was completely fine other then she kept him from my husbund for the first 2 years of his life.  She has only been around when she has time to squezze him in.  She is over $5,000 behind on child support.  Helps pay for nothing!  No health insurance, no clothes, nothing with school supplies or school sports.  She does not even have one outfit at her house for him when he does see him.  She uses him for a sitter for her daughter that she has now.  My husbund has been to court asking them why she gets away with not paying child support and why she can get so far behind without anything happening to her and he was told that most of the time the courts side with the woman and there is not much he can do.  We have tried to get her to sign off her rights and she is not willing to.  So my point to this story is that people have to stop and realize that it is not always the man who is the loser that there is a lot of women who are just as ignorant if not more.

 
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