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(Original Air Date: 10/22/08) Once a woman has a baby, the biological father is legally bound to provide financial support for the child. But what should a man do if he discovers he's responsible for a child he didn't know existed? Two years ago, Matt appeared on the show to discuss his court case dubbed "Roe vs. Wade for Men." Since then, Matt's case has been thrown out of court multiple times. And his mom, Diane, says the state has made an example out of her son and destroyed him financially and emotionally. Joining Matt and Diane is Mel Feit, Matt's advocate and director of the National Center for Men, and Gloria Allred, president of the Women's Equal Rights Legal Defense and Education Fund. Don't miss the lively debate that ensues! Next, Nicol says she thought she and her husband, Noel, had the ideal family life with a happy marriage and two children. Her dream shattered when Noel's ex-girlfriend called and requested that he get a DNA paternity test for a baby he never knew existed. Find out how the test results have changed Noel and Nicol’s lives. And, you won't believe what the baby's mother has to say! Then, what happens if a man becomes a sperm donor for a friend and years later she takes him to court for child support? Attorney John Purcell represented a man in a similar case which changed the law in Pennsylvania. And, TV and radio star Jay Thomas was contacted by his biological son 18 years after he was placed for adoption. He shares the story of their meeting. Find out if it's been a smooth reunion for Jay and his child or if they've hit rocky patches. Talk about the show here.

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June 8, 2009, 7:43 am PDT

06/02 Forced to Be a Father

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I am a 61 year old person who got married when I was 48.  I was never pretty or popular and didn't have much self esteem so I did not work out my life so that I could have a family.  My parents never thought I was worth much and neither did I. 
Anyway, after years of counselling, I did marry a wonderful man, but it was too late to have children.  People say it's never too late.  All I can say is NOT.  It was too  late and I missed the boat on that part of life which I will always feel that missed out on something really big.  But my point today is that I have friends who got pregnant, forced men to marry them and got the family and all the trappings that go along with it, but I do not respect them.  Even after you marry, if you trick your husband and get pregnant, I think that is unforgiveable.  How do these people live with themselves?  But they are fully accepted into society unlike singles like me who waited for the right person to come along.  I'm angry at all the mothers who are now divorced who got married for the wrong reasons but now have baby pictures of children and grandchildren to show everyone and brag about.  I just sit there and find it very wrong.  Anyway, am I the only person that thinks this way.  I certainly can't mention this to anyone because they will just tell me I'm jealous.  I couldn't live with myself if I trapped a man into fatherhood and marriage.  But as a result, I';ll never know what it's like to be a parent.  It sucks!!

It is horrifying how penises  have a mind of their own and can have fun without a man's consent or knowledge. Tricking a man into a pregnancy is one of the most ridiculous inane comments I've ever heard. Did the woman pretend to be a train tunnel? CHOO CHOO. Pull a rabbit out of her vagina? Poor poor guy being tricked into believing in invisible condoms. An unwanted pregnancy by men like that really is tragic because it pollutes the gene pool, and there are not enough villages to go around anymore.
 

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June 8, 2009, 7:55 am PDT

birth control

After watching the show, I see both sides of the issue, but there is a solution. There's this great invention that's been around for years - it's called C-O-N-D-O-M-S!  If he doesn't carry them, women should for that reason;  to prevent unwanted pregnancies!!  Men, don't always expect the women to be responsible for birth control. Women, if men say they're not ready to be fathers--they're not ready to be fathers. Parenthood is not something to be forced upon!!!
 
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June 9, 2009, 12:24 pm PDT

THESE MEN MAKE ME SICK!

It makes me sick to hear that man wine about the fact that he helped create a child.  NO PERSON should have the right to turn away a child because they (the man/woman) did not use their brain and went ahead and had sex.  I'm sick and tired of everyone complaining and ignoring their responsibilities.  Everyone knows the outcome of sex, with or without protection.  Birth control and condoms are NOT sure fire protection.  The only sure way to not get pregnant is to not have sex!  When you make the choice to lay down with someone you are saying that you are ready for anything that comes with it.  That kid that went to court and his mother both need to grow the heck up and stop making excuses for his bad decision!  If you're not ready to be a father than you're not ready for sex.  GROW UP!  The perfect little family that had their whole little perfect world torn down, YOU ARE PATHETIC!!!!!  You're 2 children's lives will not be destroyed cause they find out that they have a half brother!  If you make it seem that way and they feel that way - IT'S YOUR FAULT!!!!!!  You're children are very young and impressionable.  Your husband made the choice to lay down with someother woman before you, DEAL WITH IT!  I don't care if the mother of his first child is a gold digger, the child is innocent!  I don't care how perfect your little world is, you are some sorry excuses of human beings if you refuse that child because HE MADE THE CHOICE TO HAVE SEX WITH THE MOTHER OF HIS FIRST CHILD!!!!!!!!   When you married him you married him for all of him, it's all a packaged deal - his past, his responsibilities, his previous child/children- if not, get divorced.  DEAL WITH IT! YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO LAY DOWN YOU DEAL WITH THE OUT COME! POINT BLANK! You're all stupid if you think you're gonna have sex and not have the after effects! 
 

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June 9, 2009, 2:57 pm PDT

Forced to be a father

I watched the show today and was a little Heart broken over the couple who said they are upset that his exgirlfriend came forward after he was married and now has two kids of his own. #1 I don't believe they love children as they say they do his wife being a mother herself should realize no matter what the situation was this has no bearing on this child he did not ask to be brought into the world, so why should he suffer. If she was a truly upstanding person and loved children she would insist on this child being part of the family since this is her husbands child I want to know how she can look herself in the mirror every morning knowing this. I was just so ill to here another women say that this child has caused problems in there family and he is only 2 years old .What ind of women is she? I persoanlly would have excepted my husbands child with open arms but then again I love children .By the way she acted on the show I truly believe she is the reason the husband wants nothing to do with his son and that is to bad because some day he will live to regret it. If he didn't want children with this women why did he not use protection? all in all this is a child and it is so sad to think that when this child grows up to think he was not wanted by his own father sickens me i want to know how he would have felt if his own mother felt that way. He needs to be a man and tell his wife he is a part of me and i am going to visit with my son if she doesn't like it kick her to the curb she has no love in her heart she is cold as ice, if she did she would take this kid in with open arms. I guess it is all how we are raised I Pray to God that his mother finds a wonderful man that will adopt him before he is old enough to find out he has a flake for a father . The wife made a remark about when her children get old enough and they realize they have a half brother there going to be upset by this. I hate to tell her there going to be upset that he wasn't part of there life and want to know why? and there going to want to meet him, and lets see how well that goes over with those kids that the dad wanted nothing to do with his first born child. I again would say dad you need to step up and be a man and get visitation rights you'll be sorry later all the way around if you don't. if you have a little bit of a heart you will do the right thing
 

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June 9, 2009, 3:03 pm PDT

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It makes me sick to hear that man wine about the fact that he helped create a child.  NO PERSON should have the right to turn away a child because they (the man/woman) did not use their brain and went ahead and had sex.  I'm sick and tired of everyone complaining and ignoring their responsibilities.  Everyone knows the outcome of sex, with or without protection.  Birth control and condoms are NOT sure fire protection.  The only sure way to not get pregnant is to not have sex!  When you make the choice to lay down with someone you are saying that you are ready for anything that comes with it.  That kid that went to court and his mother both need to grow the heck up and stop making excuses for his bad decision!  If you're not ready to be a father than you're not ready for sex.  GROW UP!  The perfect little family that had their whole little perfect world torn down, YOU ARE PATHETIC!!!!!  You're 2 children's lives will not be destroyed cause they find out that they have a half brother!  If you make it seem that way and they feel that way - IT'S YOUR FAULT!!!!!!  You're children are very young and impressionable.  Your husband made the choice to lay down with someother woman before you, DEAL WITH IT!  I don't care if the mother of his first child is a gold digger, the child is innocent!  I don't care how perfect your little world is, you are some sorry excuses of human beings if you refuse that child because HE MADE THE CHOICE TO HAVE SEX WITH THE MOTHER OF HIS FIRST CHILD!!!!!!!!   When you married him you married him for all of him, it's all a packaged deal - his past, his responsibilities, his previous child/children- if not, get divorced.  DEAL WITH IT! YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO LAY DOWN YOU DEAL WITH THE OUT COME! POINT BLANK! You're all stupid if you think you're gonna have sex and not have the after effects! 
I agree with you 100% I also think the wife has everything to do with why this flake of a person wants nothing to do with his son i won't call him a man because a real man would stand up and do what is right and her she is not a mother she is an evil witch this is a 2 yr old child i feel so bad for that child. To grow up and think my dad wanted nothing to do with me just breaks my heart i usually do not write on this sites but this show really got to me i just don't understand people I would have like to know how he would have felt if his mother just gave him up or if his dad didn't want anything to do with him this just makes me sick
 
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June 9, 2009, 8:25 pm PDT

these guys make me sick

what are they talking about they don't have a choice? of course they do . they had two of em to begin with if they aren't ready to be dads, 1 were a condom. 2 keep it zipped up.  its really just that simple. if you aren't ready to be a dad then don't partake in the activity that makes a baby. to be that irresponsible and then act as if its the all the mothers fault. like they had nothing to with it. and then the couple that the mother came forward two years later, maybe she did handle it wrong, but for them to resent the child is just wrong. its not the child's fault. the child is Innocent. and to deprive him of of a father because they are mad at the mother is just childish. grow up people.its really just hard for me to fathom how how spoiled and childish these people are. mistakes happen, and sometimes life is messy and you just have to make the best of it. own up to your responsibilities guys. its called being a man.
 
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June 9, 2009, 8:51 pm PDT

You made your choice...

Everyone knows what the risks are when having sex. We are all warned that condoms might rip, that birth control is not a 100% guarantee, and that there are people out there who might lie about these kinds of things. We all know that there is always a possibility of conceiving. Many choose to ignore this piece of information and engage in risky behaviors. That is their choice to make. Yet, when it comes down to it, they don’t want to face the music. None of us live a consequence-free existence. 

When a man chooses to have sex with a woman he is choosing to potentially be a father. That choice is made from the second he spills his seed.

While I believe that just planting your sperm doesn’t make you a “father”, I also believe that you have a responsibility to that child you have now taken a 50% part in making. You made the choice to have sex, you knew what the consequences could be, and you still decided to go through with it. There you have it, men, it sounds like you made your choice. So, I don’t know why you’re complaining about it.

Be a man and live up to what you’ve done. You have no right to try and make a child suffer. You don’t have to be a part of the child’s life, but you do have to help financially support that young person that YOU yourself helped create. 

You knew all along that you couldn’t force that woman into adoption or into abortion, and you still made your choice.  (Do you see where this is all headed?) You MADE your choice, you didn’t like the outcome, and now you’re trying to get around it. 

That child’s rights do come before yours, as they SHOULD. You are an ADULT and you chose to engage in sexual behavior fully knowing what could happen. You gave up that choice to come first. That little defenseless child had no say.

A child’s welfare is at stake. How dare you not take care of your responsibilities? Are we as a society so selfish and self-absorbed now that we think this could be okay? You can’t blame the woman for having the child. That’s what happens when an egg and a sperm meet. You still chose to have sex fully knowing this.

Moral of the story: If you don’t want to have to pay child support and if you don’t want the possibility of having a child, then there is one, and only ONE, foolproof method: ABSTINENCE. We all know that that is the only form of birth control with a 100% guarantee.

Otherwise, you’re doing it to yourself and I don’t want to hear you complaining about it. 

 

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June 9, 2009, 9:10 pm PDT

Outrageous!

This guy correctly states that he did not  choose to be a father!  HOWEVER, he did choose to have unprotected sex.  The average 12 year old--and many 10 year olds can tell you -- if one chooses to have sex--a baby is almost always a possibility!

 

I am so annoyed with men crying about financial responsibility for a child they helped create.  If a man doesn't  want to have babies, he should make his own choices:  CHOOSE to keep the horse in the barn!  CHOOSE to wear a raincoat!  Then he won't give a damn what the woman chooses!

 

 

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June 9, 2009, 10:18 pm PDT

Those who play must pay

When you choose a behavior, you are also choosing the consequences, knowingly or unknowingly.  The man already made his choice when he chose to have sex with the woman out of side of a committed relationship, therefore he also chose the possiblility (the risk) of a pregnancy and the responsibility of the child.
 
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June 10, 2009, 8:12 pm PDT

Why aren't women required to tell the father she's pregnant?

It is completely wrong that a woman has the legal right to not tell a man that she is pregnant, but at anytime can decide that she wants him to be in the child's life whether its financial or more. What right does she have to not tell him? And what right does she have after years of not telling him, to tell him and expect him to suddenly alter his life and feel an obligation toward the child? A man does not have a bond with a child from the second he finds out about it. It is only through knowing the child and she took that right away if she didn't let them know each other. You can't expect him to suddenly feel a fatherly bond when he never even knew about the child. I strongly believe that when a woman becomes pregnant, she should have a legal obligation to tell the father (to be confirmed by a paternity test upon birth if the father so chooses). They should have to complete paperwork at which time they decide what the arrangment will be, whether its abortion, adoption, raising the child together, child support, visitation, etc. She should have as much legal obligation to tell the father right away as he has to take care of the child.
 
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