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Created on : Friday, October 24, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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October 29, 2008, 3:48 pm PDT

leave God out of this

Having "focus on the family" on the show was stupid!!!

Dr. Phil should have had a show on understanding and acceptance of parents and children dealing with this issue.

Children are smart and know early on more than you think.

The black couple they had on there saying that their children (boys specifically) will be raised "macho" was just a waste of airtime. I feel sorry if their child is gay.

What an insult to the initial family and what they are dealing with. They are good parents accepting their son as a daughter.

The second mother with her son that was no longer wanting to be a girl, PLEASE!!! He screamed queen!!!! Even his mother was unsure of honesty on being straight.

 

And to "Dr." Phil, SIT DOWN!!!!

 

 

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October 29, 2008, 3:48 pm PDT

Those parents have the cart leading the horse- as Phil would say!

I can't believe those parents on the show would actually dress/ or allow their son to dress as a female and go to school in those clothes!!!  Kids are kids, and as the Dr. said, he wanted to be a horse when he was 3 years old!  I have a 3 year old daughter and she always has crazy ideas, like she wants to dress herself for the park in the winter and wear a swimsuit! Of course I don't let her do it!  Im the parent and its my responsibility to guide her and make sure she keeps herself safe and appropriate, when it really counts.  If you have a son and he wants to wear a dress oneday because he sees his sister wearing dresses or whatever, let him do it once at home, playing dress up is normal for little kids, and of course girl stuff is more fun, theres more of it, hair dos and dresses, shoes, nails make up!!  Who would want to be a boy when its so fun to be a girl!!??? But of course you dont let them wear that stuff to school!   I think those parents are being so stupid to indulge thier sons fantasy and now they are the ones that are really confusing him by letting him live as a girl and refering to him as a her!!  I bet he will one day resent them an aweful lot and say "why the hell did you send me to school in a dress! OMG!"  I'm sure as he gets older he would realize that boys get to do a lot of fun boy stuff too and realize how silly hes being by wanting to be a girl!  And I bet he would forget all about wanting to be a girl.  But if they continue to make him think he really is a girl trapped inside a boys body, he will be totally confused and self consious by the time he hits puberty and starts growing facial hair and his voice gets low and all that great stuff!!  Those parents need to throw out those dresses and get that boy a dirt bike and socialize him with some fun boy activites with other boys his own age!  And soon!!!  And perhaps explain more clearly to him that he will never be a girl, what the differences are between boys and girl- girls get periods etc... thats no fun..  Im sure he would come around if they would just stck it out.  Kids are resilient!  It took months of me telling my daughter that she has to wear what I say is appropriote when we go out and not challange me anymore!  :S
 
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October 29, 2008, 3:50 pm PDT

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When I was a little girl, I wanted nothing more than to be a boy.  I played with all the boys in the neighborhood,  played with boy toys, wanted to pee standing up and threw a fit until my mom cut my hair like my brothers.  This did not mean that I was trans gender, I was just a tomboy.  If my mom encouraged me to be trans gender, then I may not have become the beautiful, 100% all woman that I am today.  I didn't even start getting interested in girly things until high school.  I'm still a tomboy at heart and feel more at home with the boys, than with a bunch of girly girls.  Both my sons went through stages of liking girl things and even wanting to be a girl.  These are normally just phases that they will soon grow out of unless the items of the opposite sex are really encouraged on them.  Although I let my son have barbies, my little ponys and small clothing items like barbie socks, I make it clear, when he asks for a larger clothing item with princesses or something on it, that these are for girls.  Yes they are nice bur you are a boy.  Children should stay the sex that they were born until they are young adults and can really decipher their true feelings.
 

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October 29, 2008, 3:51 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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There's one thing you missed when making your stance for God.  He was, is, and will always be against sexual indiscressions.  This includes lesbian, gay, multiple partners, orgies, infidelity, and the like.  The Bible speaks clearly that God does not and will not tolerate these things (Genesis 19 - Sodom & Gomorrah).  There is nothing new under the sun, these supposed diseases were present in the days of old - the difference then to now you might ask - Godly parents raising their family in church and not AFRAID to have their child mad at them because they "directed their paths" and said NO!!!  Think about it.  

You can raise your child in church their whole entire life, hopefully, yes, they do grow up to be respectful in their adult lives BUT.... what about some priests who abused little boys?  I mean obviously they were raised in church where did they wrong?  I'm a christian BUT I'm for everything/anything that is making a person happy, whatever they believe in... if it's making them happy even them hope to something better; i'm not going to go against it or force my religion on to them! 

 

also, if you have ever looked at a guy or a girl don't know if you're a female or guy and thought they were cute and you oh wanted them so badly or imagined them, well,  guess what that is lust!!!  and lust is a sin and I know everyone has done it once in their life time!!!  I would imagine, because we would have not have had b/fs or married to the ones we are to today!!!  God, will always love the sinner, he just doesn't like the sin!  I'm straight female engaged now to the father of my children but do you think, that I feel terrible because I had kids before marriage?  do you think that I look down on myself because I commited a sin, uhh no, I love my kids and they are in a healthy home/environment and we do not go to church every sunday.  Going to church does not make you a better person, believing in our god, does not make you a better person, it's your actions and how you treat people; that is what god looks at.  God, doesn't like ugly and he doesn't like people doing his job for him; like judging!!!!  If you're gay, you're gay!  I will be your friend and I will talk to you!!!!  I will say hi to you on the street!!!   So hello to everyone who is gay on this forum!!!! 

 
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October 29, 2008, 3:52 pm PDT

Its the parents fault

I completely agree with the Christian psychologist. The parents have fed the children with all of this information on what transgender is. The child can have a desire to be a girl, but that does not mean that you allow them to dress that way and take hormones to become a girl. They could be doing things to this BOY that will change HIM for the rest of HIS life. The mother of that BOY was also not listening, she had her own presuppositions and she was not doing to listen to anyone else.
 
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October 29, 2008, 3:53 pm PDT

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I am so upset on parents like that couple on the show today.  No child that young knows for sure what they want.  It sounds like to me, the Mom just wanted a daughter and I think a lot of what that little boy said was put into his head from his Mom.  I think that the Dad is acting like Adam did, in the Garden of Eden, and allowing his wife, (like Eve did), to lead him to follow her actions.  He should have a brain of his own to know what is right and what is wrong.  It sounds like she has influenced him a lot, too.

 

She should have done like the African-American couple in the audience said what they did, or would do, if their child ever hinted at something for the opposite sex.  All of the parents of children should do as the African-American couple said on what they would do.

 

Parents have the biggest % of influence over their children.  They need to be reading the Bible, also, and  actually read and understand what it says.  It says in the Bible in several places about how God does not approve of homosexuality. 

 

God meant for boys to be boys and girls to be girls.  Any true Christian would know that.

 

After that child reaches adulthood, then those kind of sexual preference problems are between that person and God.  That grown child will have to face God on Judgement day.

 

But, the parents are the ones who are to bring up the child in a good Christian way and as God expects them to, and to teach their children what God wants of them.  Those parents are going to have to face God on Judgement day, if they don't do all that they can to teach the child what God wants, and instead go along with what the child wants.

 

The couple on todays show, are a real dissapointment to the way that people are supposed to be.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2008, 3:53 pm PDT

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING

Wow,

It's UNBELIEVABLE to me that Melissa ans Tim would "cow-tow" to their 8 yr. old son's whims.  Not only do they condone this, but they are LETTING him grow his hair out and dress and act like a girl, but they think that his social peers shouldnt have a problem with this???  HUH???  Also, this Melissa, took one course in transgender identity, but she thinks she's an expert, compared to the REAL professional in the audience--very pompous if you ask me.  As Dr. Phil has said so many times on the show, a child cannot appreciate the consequences of their actions until they are out of the teenage years---their brains have not fully developed and they do not have the maturity level to understand!!!  Yet this couple is letting "the tail wag the dog" and letting their 8 yr. old son guide THEM into what may very well be a common phase.  In the end, this child may NOT feel like he does now, but feel a need to continue this behavior because his parents backed him up!!!  He may feel like he HAS TO continue on this road in order to please his parents because they CAVED to an 8 yr. old.  I agree with Rufus & wife on raising your children in the genitalia that they were born with.  IF--when the child grows to adulthood, only THEN should they be able to make a solid, mature choice of what to do with their body and sexuality.

 
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October 29, 2008, 3:54 pm PDT

Good Parenting, that's all they need.

As I watch the show today, I was not amazed by any of the things I hear from the girls and boys who wanted to be a girl instead of a boy or vice versa. It reminds me of my great childhood, where I wanted to play with my power ranger and firefighter's trucks which I never put down, but yet from time to time wanted to play with my female cousins' barbie dolls too, dress and comb them. No one could walk better than me in my Mom's heals and church clothes when she's not home. I hated to play soccer because my brothers would come home so dirty and sweaty from playing balls.  And sometimes I did wish that I was a girl, because girls were pretty, and dress pretty. By the time I was 11 all that was gone, i started to love being a boy, I start playing Bascketball in school and become very atheletic. Although by 22 I decided that I was gay, I still love being a man, a gay man. I am glad my parents let me be who I wanted to be, yeah they told me to put barbie doll down, but not in an intense way, they knew I would grow outta it. But I am even more glad that they did not go out  and buy me girl clothes and girls shoes just to show their support.

 

Love your child, let them be, take the doll away just like you would take a stick away that would poke their eye, but don't over do it, ignore it sometimes, and they will grow out of it. And I will say this, Transgender has nothing to do with being Gay, I wish people would stop making that reference.

 

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October 29, 2008, 3:54 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: mslisa158

you are so right. people are just letting the devil of this world get into their minds to make them think at a young age that they are something they are not. it is sad. very sad. i feel so sorry for these people.
I feel sorry for people like you.  People who are afraid and mistrustful of anything different than the narrow, mythical world you read in the bible.  It's truly sad that the Creator gave you a brain and eyes and a heart yet you choose not to use them.
 

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October 29, 2008, 3:58 pm PDT

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Quote From: claudiariley87

I know how these young boys feel. I myself was born male and was raised as a country boy , with four-wheelers , horses, guns, and everything masculine. I was attractive as a male and had many girlfriends. I now am a transgendered female. I am living my life as a woman and doing great. But I didn't have hormone treatment as a child , and I didn't have to play with barbies. And I made it just fine. I feel that the parent should raise their child to be the gender they are born, until the child can take over at the age of 18 as I did and make their own decisions ....possibly even getting their parents support. I did not have that support right off hand, my mother didnt understand, she thought that she had done something wrong. And we lost contact for about a year. Now we have both worked through our hard times and are as close as we have ever been. Parents, I don't think you should introduce your children to something that they realistically can not be growing up. They can make the decision. The kids are not just "things" that you can pump hormones into and treat as a science fair!

 

Thanks for reading

Claudia Riley

well claudia do you feel that maybe if your parents would have excepted you when you were younger or known about this? do you think that maybe you would have not lost in contact with your mother at the age of 18, the 1 year?  Your mother didn't understand maybe because there wasn't anytime to understand; I'm sure it's harder for a mother to understand after raising a man for 18 years, than boom, wants to be a female?  So if she would have been exposed to this early on, i'm sure she would have been accepting because that is what mothers are suppose to be/do.  But i'm glad that you and your mother are talking again!!!  Nothing like a mothers love!!! 
 
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