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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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October 29, 2008, 11:25 am PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Dr Phil your show has sure it a nerve today.I have never been so upset at all the people who think that the parent is causing this.I have a question for everyone would you deny your child of anything you know will not hurt them.Who cares if boys are feeling and acting as if they are girls and vice versa.My 7 yr old has done it since he was 2.He goes to school everyday with a purse and a necklace on.He has been made fun of.He has told me this, but I tell him that is how people are and you have to learn to ignore them if this is really what you want.I told him the other day we were going to have him try boy toys and take away the girl clothes and he gave me a face like I killed his best friend.It is too painful to shun him from the things he enjoys or because of the way he acts.I could honestly take away all girl things and his actions alone are more girlie than the girliest girl in the world.I can say I am usually in better mood after I vent, but your show with what the non-believers were saying has me still upset.
Transgendered at age two?  Holy Crap woman!  Someone ought to shake you!!  Maybe it's better for you.  If you had to see his puppy dog eyes welling up over and over all the rest of his life....  And you could then "blame yourself" and remind him all the rest of his days to make sure he doesn't forget.  So then HE could come on the Dr Phil show 15 years from now and defend not taking away his son's little goat.  (It just makes him SO SAD)!  PATHETIC! 
 
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October 29, 2008, 11:41 am PDT

I wish my child HAD told us when she was little

I am the mother of a 40 year old woman who used to be our son.  The absolutely heartbreaking thing about this was that she grew up in solitary agony, distress, and confusion and we never knew a thing about it.  At age 16 she sat with a gun in her mouth and the only thing that kept her from pulling the trigger was fear that she wouldn't do a complete job of it and would be a burden to us.

 

She thought she was crazy.  She didn't have a name for it and thought she was the only person in the world who felt this way.  Her first realization that something was wrong was at about 4 years old.  By 12 she was cross dressing in secret to help relieve the stress she was under.  She said she prayed to God every night that she would wake up the next morning as a girl.  She hid it until she was in her 30's and only then began her public transition because the alternative once again was suicide.

 

Did we treat her so much like a girl that she became one?  Absolutely not.  We wanted a boy so badly that we never chose a girl's name.  She is an Eagle Scout.  Was her father absent?  No, he was the scoutmaster.

 

To the bible thumpers:  my daughter goes to church every Sunday in a mainstream country church where she is accepted and loved.  She is even a trustee of the church. She and her wife ... yes she is married with a 5-year old daughter of her own ... have become quite popular in our area giving talks to reglious seminaries and churches and have appeared on national TV.

 

Are we ashamed of her?  Absolutely not.  My husband, on the day we were told we had a daughter, summed it up perfectly.  He said, "I'd rather have a live daughter than a dead son."  Our daughter and many others like her have repeatedly said that the choice was to transition to living as their "real" gender or die.  We accepted her the day she told us, we paid for her gender reassignment surgery, and we support her, her wife and her daughter completely and openly.  

 
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October 29, 2008, 11:47 am PDT

And another thing ...

how do those of you who say God doesn't make mistakes know that God considers this a mistake?
 
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October 29, 2008, 12:13 pm PDT

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how do those of you who say God doesn't make mistakes know that God considers this a mistake?

The BOY on the show said that God had made a mistake.  That is what made me respond with "God doesn't make mistakes."  he was saying that God made him a boy when he should have been a girl and therefore GOD made the mistake. 

What I am referring to in any of these instances is that if GOD made you a girl, you are a girl.  If GOD made you a boy, then you are a boy... no mistakes here!!

 
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October 29, 2008, 12:16 pm PDT

Focus on the Family cult leader should be fun

can't ewait to hear the evil rantings of the cult known as Focus on the Family.  I always find them entertaining as they try to tell the world what is right and wrong, what we can read, watch eat blah blah blah.

 

only the mindless sheep brainwashed by this cult ever listen to them and they just follow blindly into the depths of whatever the group is hating on now. 

 

This group breeds hate racism, bigotry, homophobia and scams money out of the desperate bible thumping senile old seniors who don't know any better that they are getting wrapped up in this group of narrrowminded individuals

 

I wish they would experience the real world and see that we are all individuals....even those who may have issues regarding their gender....but I suspect they feel safer consorting with other Focus on the Family sheep rather than real people in the real world

 
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October 29, 2008, 12:25 pm PDT

Don't Believe the lie.

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I was about to turn off my tv tonight, when I just happened to see a commercial for this topic being discussed on tomorrow's show (oops, TODAY'S show at this point!). I had to set it for my DVR to watch.

How strongly do I feel about this topic? I registered on here just this moment, just so people could read this and hear me out. I am a biological male and always have been. I was brought up in a loving, even church going household and still love my God and hold my faith dear. Why do I say "still"? Because I have this background and "yet" I am transgender as well. If anyone would NOT be like this, it would be someone raised the way that I was!

Yes, I do think that there is the rare case when there is a child that is confused and they are not truly "TG"...however, I think most are TG if they think so. Look at it this way...yes there are cultural influences that are debatable in all this...but if somebody is so very young in particular that is like this (I watched 20/20 with Barbara Walters show a biological boy who was 3 who obviously has not been influenced by society yet subtly or not so subtly...his "brain sex" was very, very obviously female, yet he was born with male anatomy, make sense? For those people that say that God does not make mistakes, you are right....because "these people" are no more "mistakes", than you, than me, or the person (think about it) who is born with Elephant Man Disease and deformed! The very sad thing is that thinking like this keeps people back and does not open minds to even listen, let alone change. My Mom does not even know that I sometimes go out looking like the opposite gender, and she would probably literally have a heart attack if she did....why? Because people raised like I was are "not supposed to be like this". The sad irony is that I used to live right under her roof and hear her say things against TG people, and it was clear that the thought never even crossed her mind that I could have possibly been one of the very same people she talked bad about, not knowing it was her very own son that was TG. My father passed away this month, and went to his grave never even knowing this about me. Trust me...think about it....NOBODY WOULD CHOOSE THIS WILLINGLY. Does a guy wake up and "decide" to put on a skirt and wonder what it feels like? I used to throw away literally hundreds of dollars worth of wigs, skirts, jeans, etc that were my female expression manifesting itself physically in accordance to how I would be thinking and wanting to express myself at the time. This happened multiple times, feeling society pressure, and (very falsely) thinking this would stop "THIS time". Before you know it, you could die before ever living the life you should and accepting it of yourself in the first place! I stopped throwing those things away once I learned about the subject (and yes had therapy to learn that this is who I am and it does NOT go away). I embrace it now for the most part, and just know its part of my thinking process and my personality..and I am so much more happy, relaxed, etc. because of it.

Gender is a very fluid thing. It is NOT always black & white!! It is society that needs to change and understand this, not transgender people...or they will have even more depressed people and suicides on their hands than have already happened for people unsuccessfully trying to "conform" to what is "normal". Gender is so fluid that that is why there are people that go out like the opposite gender part of the time to "let out what society doesnt let them let out" for our rigid social standards and pressures, all the way to the TG people that are out like that 100% of the time.....those are usually the transsexual people where the inclination is so strong, that it is CONSTANT instead of fairly regularly.

Sorry this is so long, but I think at least this needed to be said/vented, at least by me. I am so glad that a respectable show like Dr Phil's (and more and more like them) and talking about this sometimes and less and less exposure for the horrible negative stereotype that certain other daytime shows are like. That is not what the Transgender Community on the whole is like at all!

So again, for those that talk about judging, mistakes, and the like...dont do that too much, because I am living proof that you could have a son or daughter that is TG and you dont even know it, because what you have let your children hear regularly, and at such a young age, already makes them believe they can never tell you the truth about them....and you will never truly know 100% of who your child is.....ever. Sadly, that is my background in my life and so many others with undeserved shame. Fortunately I have a wonderful network of supportive friends that actually listened when I got the courage to tell them about this pat of me, and learned about what I have been through and how I think in comparison and difference to many "normal" people! My sexual orientation is heterosexual still, like most TG, yes....but sexual orientation and sexual IDENTITY are two very, very different things.

Please watch this episode people...you are strangers to me, obviously, and I am ASKING you to watch it...TALK about it with the people you know watch the show. Heck, talk about it with your family...hint to loved ones friends and family that you saw it and open the lines of communication on this...you never know. Most people think they dont know someone like this, when the truth is they often do, but it is "hidden" so much that nobody knows and that is quite sad. ..LIke I said, my family would never guess this about me and frankly they are missing out in so many ways...we are so close, yet they still dont and never will know 100% of me after all of these years...that part of me that NEEDS to be expressing "both sides" (genders).... but I know how close minded they are, and even though I am "their blood", they have likely already made up their mind like so many others seem to do without even hearing the facts. :( If you are interested, look at websites like wikipedia, and keyword transgender. You will learn more and I sincerely thank you for reading this and possibly watching this episode. =)

As I read your letter I hear a person who is trying to convince themselves that the life they are living is ok. You know deep within your soul that this is not the life that God intended for you to live. If you really and truly know God you would know that yes he loves you and he wants you to come to him and let him give you the life you were meant to have as a man. If you were raised in church you would know were in the Bible it talks about this as a sin. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love you but it does mean that he holds you accountable for your life and your decisions. Are you making decisions that are pleasing to him? He can help you and there are people that care and can help you also in this confusing issue in your life.

 
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October 29, 2008, 12:40 pm PDT

Thank you!

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These children are not "confused", they are being themselves. It's simple...honestly! It's the greater American culture and people who think they have all the answers who are confused. The concept of gender is very dependent on our socialization. There are some cultures, specifically Native American cultures that not only recognize, but revere more than 2 genders. Additionally, even with having a BA in psychology, I argue that being transgender, transexual, and of other so-called divergent sexualities, are not the result of mental disorder. It's simply self!

We need to stop proliferating hate. People who discriminate against gay men, women, and children today are likened to those who condoned slavery at a time in our history, those protesting against basic civil rights for women and minorities, and those today who scream out "terrorist" and "Muslim" with regard to Barack Obama.

One more thing...when you hate or simply don't accept someone for who they are or blame them for your problems, there's a really good chance you aren't taking responsibility for your own failings.

It's time to wise up, America...and stop discrimination...period.

This could NOT be more true. When I hear that people think our trans-gender family/freinds are CONFUSED. LOL! Let me ask YOU, are you CONFUSED that you are NOT trans-gender? Do you really think they would put themselves through all of this, like what some of these ignorant posters are saying, because it is SOMETHING they are confused about or something they are going through. Gesh,

 

The one so-called expert in the auidence is SO ignorant. Trying to blame the parents. Ya, sure they are having such a great time with all of this.

 

It is amazing how mean and nasty people that have NO idea what they are talking about, think they know it all.

 

Who is this FOOL in the audience... I have to laugh. I just have to take a few moments before I post more. I am just so fustrated by that so-called expert.

 

 

 
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October 29, 2008, 12:44 pm PDT

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Quote From: shetypes

Children are born with a blank slate!  We as parents are the ones held responsible to teach them how

to be a good adult.  The foundations we set are what influences them regardless of gender.  Toys are mostly gender based now because of the public demand for that, the way of life before that.

Proudly using God to throw opinions against those chosing a different way of life is definately being a hypocrit.  Let God do Gods work.  The Bible is a history book that should be like sound advice to use not abuse.  I am a very spiritual person and so tired of the Bible thumpers: you are suppose to give positive or be quiet unless it is to help those who cannot help themselves yet you ignore that parents are trying to decide on giving children medication for sexual orientation?  Sex crimes is the number one harm to children and you are not addressing that any sex intruced to children should be from sound reasoning not because of any kind of sexual orientation as a toddler?

Skip these parents who honestly think a child should be given direction for sexual orientation as a toddler?

Who introduced them to sexuality?  Being a child is full time learning usually by mockery of what they see and hear or from what they dirive from that same environment.

If you put a Monkey in a room with lipstick and purses it will play with them.

If you put a child in a room with a knife or gun after watching any program using them, they will copy it?

We as adults are suppose to protect our child from what has potential to harm them?  Do we? Are we as a whole society?  NO, exposing children to medications for sexual orientation is abuse.

Toys, dress or clothing means nothing until some idiot adult makes it an issue then teaches thier child to treat another different because of how they look, dress, talk, walk or live? 

Now adding sexuality to it?

Adults as usual is the biggest problem children face?

SOOOO, tell me, IF your parents tried to change YOUR gender, push you to do what you THINK is right, WOULD YOU CHANGE YOUR GENDER? I do not think so!!!!

 
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October 29, 2008, 12:46 pm PDT

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Quote From: dpwtchr

if you are a Christian (a follower of Christ)... you would believe HIS WORD... He is the one who talks of Hell... this person is not casting stones, merely giving advice... GOD's advice... if you truly are a follower of Christ, you would heed His advice and not try to justify sin.
But the Bible says not to condemn people who are doing things wrong. Jewels was just bing nice to them, while you, on the other hand, & judging them. Plus you shouldn't judge others. No one is perfect, I'm not, either. Not even you. I understand what your saying, about everything else. I agree in which you replied to me earlier, but is it also a sin when I'm living with a woman who is a family member, in which she's a christian too?
 
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October 29, 2008, 12:46 pm PDT

God does not make mistakes

Look at this link. Parents need to support their child and guide them into the sex in which he was born with as GOD does not make mistakes.

 

http://www.cbmw.org/Blog/Posts/Boston-Clinic-Offering-Help-for-Transgender-Children

 
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