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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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October 29, 2008, 5:31 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Evil Focus on the family, no read Romans and you will see what the creator of life says.
baaaaa....baaaaa....baaaaa...just trying to speak your language of the blind sheep following the hatefilled group.  YOU read Romans and tell me where it says it's OK for YOU to judge and hate
 
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October 29, 2008, 5:39 pm PDT

20%?

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i have to say i think in this show not every point of view has been considered. Dr. Phil said that only 20 % of transgendered children grow up to be transgendered adults, but he didnt mention that a huge percentage of transgendered adults say they knew from a very young age that they were different. That 20% that does grow up to be transgendered makes up about 90% of the population of transgendered adults. I dont think Dr Phil showed that side at all. i hate to say it, but in this show Dr Phil let his own conservative beliefs shade his questioning. I think a transgendered adult should have been added to the conversation. So much of the conversation was based on discussion of how or what the child would grow up to be, & i think a first-hand opinion from a happy, healthy transgendered adult would have added an important side to the debate.
 also, i don't believe bringing David Reimer into this particular discussion is appropriate. He was raised as the opposite sex without his knowledge or consent, because of an accident that destroyed his penis as a baby. He never professed to feel differently than the sex he was born with, as the children in this show did. it is a completely different subject.

      Dr. Phil said that only 20 % of transgendered children grow up to be transgendered adults!

Where did this stat come from? I have been intimately involved with the transgender community for over 5 years now and I have never heard these numbers. I have also never heard of Dr Daniel Seigel, who was on the show today. (Don't want to know the other religion guy.)

My support and information comes from Dr. Virgina Erhardt, Ph.D. (http://www.virginiaerhardt.com )and from the Southern Comfort Conference(SCC) in Atlanta in the fall each year. 

Dr Phil, . . .now that's something worth looking into.

 
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October 29, 2008, 5:39 pm PDT

What is so wrong with being who you are?

I have been engaged to my Fiance for almost 2 and a half years. We will have been dating for 3 years this coming November. My Fiance is a Female to Male Transgender and has been that way for as long as I can remember. I love and accept him for WHO he is... not WHAT. Most people that you meet on the street, regretfully, were raised to fear what they do not understand and to hate what they fear. I cannot tell you how many times we have been attacked by people... not just because we appear to be a lesbian couple, but because Alex dresses and acts in the male gender role. We are starting down the road to his transition and he donsn't pass for a male too well at this point in time. I Always say to people to not justge a book by its cover. Underneath a marred and unfamiliar cover, there is a wonderful story.
 
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October 29, 2008, 5:40 pm PDT

Religion has no place in this debate!

It is outrageous for religious people to dispute science in cases like this or for instance regarding homosexuality, cross-dressing etc.
They can do untold damage to children or anyone that has to deal with being different than the excepted norm.
 
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October 29, 2008, 5:43 pm PDT

plenty

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 I TOTALLY AGREE,THESE BIBLE BASHER ARE ENOUGH TO DRIVE THESE YOUNG KIDS AND TEENAGERS,TO SUICIDE,DRUGS AND GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT ELSE.MY DAUGHTER IS 17 AND SHES GAY,I TOTALLY BACK HER IN WHAT EVER IT IS THAT MAKES HER HAPPY,I WARNED HER THAT PEOPLE MAY BE HARD ON HER,THAT PEOPLE CAN BE REALLY CRUEL,BUT I WOULD LOVE HER AND BACK HER NO MATTER WHAT SHE DECIDES,PEOPLE SHOULD JUST EXCEPT PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE AND WORRY ABOUT THEIR OWN LIFES ,AND KEEP THEIR NOSE OUT OF EVERYONE ELSES BUISNESS.
I have plenty of friends that are gay, lesbian and bi-sexual. They know that I am a Christian, personally I don't bash them whatsoever. I am there for them if they are in need of a friend to talk  to  or to help out. I love each and everyone of my friends and I don't  judge them. If they ask me a point blank question of what I believe-they  know I will tell them. I won't yell it to  them or make offensive statements to those friends.
I have listened more to my friends of the how's and why's...doesn't change what was written in the Bible. I am just a simple person that tries to  do what is right by people-I know that actions do speak louder than words. Don't take my word for it -it's in the Bible.
Leviticus. 18:22, Leviticus. 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
The greatest commandment though is to "Love thy neighbor as thyself..."
Mark 12:28-31

 
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October 29, 2008, 5:44 pm PDT

God Bless You !!

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Interesting show, however, I think you should have given more time for scientic fact. The most recent scientic studies point to a genetic basis for Transexuality. This is clearly a condition with a biological etiology. To imply that somehow the parents are at fault is both absurd as well as a terrible load of guilt to inflict on parents of Transgender children and adults. I am Transgender and I grew up with 2 brothers and a sister with the same parents. None of them are Trans. In my case, it had nothing to do with how I was raised.

 

Human Growth and Developement Studies indicate a child by the age of 3 or 4 years old has formed an identity of gender. Most Transgender people realize very early on in childhood that they feel very different than the other children. In my own case, I was told God did not want me to be a girl. He made me a boy. My father was pretty much macho and into fishing, hunting, sports. He made me tag along but I was bored to death. I would have much more prefered  to do more creative and socially perceived "feminine" things. I never fit in in school although my grades were excellent. The boys would mock me by making gestures of a "limp wrist" etc.

 

I used to pray that I could be like "normal" boys. No one would choose to be someone who is marginalized and made fun of. I tried to repress my feminine side and I guess I did OK, however, people would typically peg me as being gay as soon as I opened my mouth. Growing up in the 60's and 70's, I had no positive role models and felt isolated and confused and depressed. The social messages that I got regarding being a feminine man were negative from family, school, church, everywhere. My depression and isolation intensified. I tried to imerse myself in work, church, or school but it was always to escape myself.

 

In 1992, I finally ran across a Transgender bar in Los Angeles where I was living. Within 20 seconds I knew I had found myself and my community. Not long after that, I began to go for counselling to try to begin to integrate my masuline and feminine self and figure out how to best package it. /It was the smartest thing I ever did. It took me the next 15 years to finally have the courage and finances to have Gender Reassignment surgery, which I wish I could have done when I was 14 y.o. That was one year ago today and I have absolutely no regrets at all.

 

In reference to the teenage boy who is supposed cured now, I would think it is more like that he has decided life is easier living as a boy and is repressing his gender issues. Most every Transgender person goes through numerous "purgings" determined that they are going to live as their biological sex. For most, they soon realize the foolishness of that. Some last a week. Some last months. Some can manage to last years. In every case, the psychological damage of trying to live as someone you are not catches up with them in depression and self destructive behavior.

 

I also believe in the idea of a Gender Identity Spectrum. On one end in Barbie and GI Joe on the other end.

Most boys fall near the G.I. Joe end and most girls fall close to the Barbie end. Very few are that extreme but most fit the binary gender sterotype. Trans people fall further from the ends of the spectrum and some are at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum from their biological gender. Some people can deal with their gender variance without surgery or without having to live as the opposite sex. Those unfortunate enough to have a gender identity that is completely incongruent with their biological gender tend to have the most personal conflict and hormones and Gender Reassignment Surgery is often the best solution for them to be happy. Post surgical patient satisfaction studies done in UK and at University of Oregon on transexuals hsaving undergone Gender Reassignment surgery suggest  that well over 90-95% of patients are satisfied or extremely satisfied with their decision.

 

The reigious people do not want to recognize the facts. This is a biological issue. It is no more immoral than being left handed. This is how people are hard-wired in their brain. I applaud the parents of Transgender people who can love their chilren unconditionally. I wish my parents had the sense to allow me to purse my innate interests rather than repressing my thoughts and feelings and spending years of my life trying to find happiness. I went to evety Church in town Been there, Done that. It doesn't work.

 

Also, in respose to the Black Muslim couple who said that God doesn't make mistakes. I challenge him to go into a Chilren's Hospital and look at the children with cancer, or Cerebral Palsy, or Muscular Dystropy etc. and make that same statement.

 

I believe the conservative religious people are so threatened by the issue of Transexuality and Sexual Orientation because a biological etiology totally undoes their belief in a literal interpretation of the Bible and threatens their entire theology. They also argued that the world was flat and that Evolution is wrong. They would prefer to believe in Adam and Eve and a talking snake as Bill Maher says in the movie "Religilous".  Personally, I feel the parents of the Transgender child showed more compassion and exemplified the heart of Christ far more than the guy from Focus on the Family or the Black Muslim couple or most of the audience for that matter.

 

 

         Of the many messages I've read on todays topic, yours was one of the Best!!  Only those of us who have been down this path, can truly understand it .   For all the so called Christians, who have posted  their comments...should remember to judge not, we are all God's children. So don't be so saintly that you are of no earthly good.  One thing I have learned, ,is that you have to understand those who do not understand !!   I grew up in the late 50's and 60's. I am 57years old, and was fortunate to have SRS(Sexual Reassignment Surgery) when I was 23yrs. old. I have never had any regrets. Although I would say that, I think the Parents of the child on todays show should not be so consumed with what their child wants at such a young age.  If it is meant to be nothing will stop this child from fulfiling there desires. Just be supportive loving parents.
 
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October 29, 2008, 5:46 pm PDT

sad cautionary tale

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I am quite bothered by the fact that the person from "Focus on the Family" brought up David Reimer. He was a Canadian who, after a horrible accident when he and his brother were being circumsised at the age of 8 months, was left with no sexual organ. A sexologist from John Hopkins, Dr. John Money, convinced his parents to raise him as a girl. Using what happened to this person, David Reimer, was completely inappropriate as it does NOT prove his point. If you want more information on this case you can look David Reimer up by name or use the words "John/Joan case" as this is what Dr. Money called his "experiment" with these poor chilren!
I saw the documentary on David. Very sad. His story helped a lot of other people, and that is more then most of us ever do. It proves you cannot tinker with people's lives.
 
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October 29, 2008, 5:50 pm PDT

A Different View

There must be a better answer than what I've seen on the Dr. Phil show. The gentleman from Focus on the Family has good intentions. However, I don't think he's right. His views are so cut and dried and do not take into account medical facts. I am a Christian but I do not believe in his views. I believe it is more than what was explained on the show. Has anyone ever thought that souls are either female or male, and when a child is born, perhaps a particular spirit goes into the opposite sex physical body. Life is more than we what know on the physical earth. Don't blame the children and force them to be something their soul is not. Please open your mind and your heart instead of your ego.
 
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October 29, 2008, 5:54 pm PDT

Where did this stat come from?

      Dr. Phil said that only 20 % of transgendered children grow up to be transgendered adults!

Where did this stat come from? I have been intimately involved with the transgender community for over 5 years now and I have never heard these numbers. I have also never heard of Dr Daniel Seigel, who was on the show today. (Don't want to know the other religion guy.)

My support and information comes from Dr. Virgina Erhardt, Ph.D. (http://www.virginiaerhardt.com )and from the Southern Comfort Conference(SCC) in Atlanta in the fall each year. 

Dr Phil, . . .now that's something worth looking into.

 
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October 29, 2008, 5:59 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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         Of the many messages I've read on todays topic, yours was one of the Best!!  Only those of us who have been down this path, can truly understand it .   For all the so called Christians, who have posted  their comments...should remember to judge not, we are all God's children. So don't be so saintly that you are of no earthly good.  One thing I have learned, ,is that you have to understand those who do not understand !!   I grew up in the late 50's and 60's. I am 57years old, and was fortunate to have SRS(Sexual Reassignment Surgery) when I was 23yrs. old. I have never had any regrets. Although I would say that, I think the Parents of the child on todays show should not be so consumed with what their child wants at such a young age.  If it is meant to be nothing will stop this child from fulfiling there desires. Just be supportive loving parents.
You have the best response to this issue. I appreciate your in-depth and honest comments.
 
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