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Topic : 10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Created on : Friday, October 24, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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October 29, 2008, 6:16 pm PDT

What you wear & who you do are not the same

I To the many homosexuals who are responding.  The subject was not about an eight year old child who thought from the time they were three years old that they might be homosexual.  The subject was a child who's mother / parent's are clearly brainwashing the child and calling their behavior "neutering" by  decorating the room of their son 'girlie' and going so far to even putting make up on an eight year old boy and making homemade tapes to say the child wants other children to know it's ok what he is doing as no one has informed him that he will suffer dearly in middle school and all to boost the quest of the parent's.

It appears to me the parents harbor guilt feelings over what they are doing and in need of strokes of confirmation because subconsciously they know they have screwed up. 

       As for my personal experience with the actual subject; I made comment's that I wished I was a boy and wanted to wear boys clothes.  In the 60's we females could only wear dresses to school, we had to wear pants under our dresses on snow days & take them off when we got to school, a real pain. I wanted to wear boys tennis shoes, boots, boys toys ect.  I was supposto act ladylike but was a tom-boy anyway aka; obnoxious female.   THANK GOD MY PARENTS REFUSED TO "NUTURE" MY REQUESTS and I became me anyway.  I wanted to dress like the boys got to I WAS NOT ATTRACTED TO GIRLS.  It is two very different subjects.  In my early 20's I became a high fashion model, married a high profile politician and  and have four incredible children.  Today I wear timberland boots & jeans daily and dress as the lady I am when I appear to dinners.  If my parents went insane trying to NUTURE MY WANTS, IT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED MY HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL YEARS & CHANGED WHO " I AM".  These parents went overboard & the child's schol years are guarantted to be a nightmare & the little boy who is trying to make his parents happy, will suffer and pay for it forever. 

 
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October 29, 2008, 6:18 pm PDT

gender

This subject is so hard for people to understand what kind of hell we  (transgendered) live with, this is about gender not sex, you say to be tuff on your child and make him be a man, well what of all of us who did just that to surpress those feelings, we were in the service, did all the maucho things that so called men do, just to hide those feelings that of course no one else had, I knew  how I felt my whole life, but surpressed them as much as I could, until I could not live with the pain any longer, it's not about what's between your legs, it's how your brain is wired, who the hell would choose this type of life. one does not just go out and start living as the opposite sex, their are standards to go by with years of therapy before starting hormones. We are in every walks of life and up until the past few years we were hiding and hoping, when I grew up their was no information about this subjust, but with the help of the internet, shows like Dr. Phil's, Opra, Barbra Walters and othrers, it has helped so many to understand themselves and deal with the confussion that they are feeling about this issue, the only thing one can do is to be supportive of their loved one
 
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October 29, 2008, 6:23 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Hi,

 

The child seemed coached by the Mother and did not speak as a child. Kids love attention from their parents and I saw this as more of a way for the child to get love and attention from the Mother.  This child seems to get lots of strokes from the Mother with this behavior. So I am not sure that this is real for the child and their future?

 

My son saw me wearing eyeshadow when he was four and wanted to wear it too but I said no.  If I made a big deal and gave him lots of attention for doing this he would probably have wanted to do it more.

 
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October 29, 2008, 6:26 pm PDT

could not agree more

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I am distressed for the children. I have 6 of my own, 4 boys and 2 girls. They range in age from 20 to 1. Until age 18ish it is a parent problem. When my 2 and a half year old wants to paint his nails because he sees me painting his sisters, we say no because you are a boy and boys don't do that. Of course there are times he will play with his sister when she's playing with her barbies but we always reinforce that he is different from her. All my boys were given boy toys. Dressed in blue,boy clothes. Etc. My husband says, that we as parents condition our kids to like certain things. For instance, our first girl brought pink into a once blue house. Fluffy, frilly pink. Everything was pink. And bows everywhere. Now she's old enough to choose for herself and she chooses exactly what we used to pick for her. I'm the parent and it's up to me to protect my child, not give them whatever they want. Just because it looks good or they think it'll feel good doesn't mean it will. Somtimes the right thing and the hardest thing are the same thing. No one wants to see their child hurt but the long term damage this will do. If they grow up and decide on their own, but if not they look back and say where were you as my parent?? I believe a childs mind isn't capable of making such important decisions, otherwise why do they need a parent to care for them? And as a Christian, Our God is perfect, never making a mistake. The thief somes to steal, kill and destroy and that's exactly what he's doing.

I tried to read all posting before putting my 2 cents in, but it is just is just not gonna happen, I too am a believer and strongly believe that as a parent our role is to guide the child into the correct path and in doing so with love...It is our God given responsibility to guide our children until they are adults, then at that point what they decide to do with their lives is on them. I agree also with another posting about teaching the children understanding and acceptance of those who are different, we have to love the sinner, but hate the sin.  

 

 

 

 

 
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October 29, 2008, 6:26 pm PDT

Transgender

So I just finished watching the show and I felt like I should tell my story. I was born a female at birth but want to be a male. I noticed in the 3rd grade that I started noticing females. I just covered it up and presented myself as a female. I come from a Christian family. I was raised in the church wich I am still a member of. When I was at the age around 10, I started to wear my brothers clothes. I liked playing with him bc he played with cars n other boy toys I used to pray that God would make me a boy someday. My mom started noticing that I was wearing my bothers clothes and had a talk with me. Wasn't anything bad but she explained to me that I couldn't wear his clothes because I was a girl. I hid them behind her back afraid of getting in trouble. When my teenage years hit I started wearing my dads clothes. I only played with the boys. I was the neighborhood "tomboy". When I hit my early 20's I started hanging with the "gay" crowd. Of course people started wondering by then. I cut my hair short but only for a few months. I felt like I was viewed different so I let it grow back. One of my close friends and I got in an arguement and she told my mom. She was hurt and angry at the same time. Things were rough for a while but it seemed to smoothe out. I am now 30 yrs old and I still hide it to some degree with my parents. I finally wrote my mom a letter and explained that I liked girls and I was sorry I couln't have the dream life she wanted me to. I feel it brought us closer but we don't discuss it alot. So to the ones tht believe it's the parents fault are wrong. My parents tried their best but I am who I am and that will never change. I went through the whole suicide thoughts because it was so difficult to live in my town. By my upbringing with Christ I knew what was right and wrong. I believe that He loves everyone no moatter who you are!! I pray that one day others wil realize that it is who you are and nothing less. I was born this way. Nothing happen to me to make me feel the way I do Thanks for all the supporters out there. I hope that one day I can finally become a guy and feel comfortable in this society. Sorry for the long post!

 
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October 29, 2008, 6:32 pm PDT

Whey were they on the show????

To have the couple with the three "football playing sons" on the show was so ridiculous.  How could these parents even comment when they don't have a male child saying he wants to be a girl. No one wants their child to be confused, but to have guests on like this, adds nothing to the conversation. Now if their boys had said they wanted to be girls and play with dolls and they had refused them and told them, NO you have to play with boy's toys, they might have something to add to the conversation. Come on Dr. Phil stay on topic!!!!
 
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October 29, 2008, 6:35 pm PDT

No opinion from Dr. Phil???

I was waiting to hear Dr. Phil's opinion on the Gender Confused Children and was disappointed we never really heard his thoughts. Normally my wife and I look forward to the strong, honest opinions but he seemed to skate right past this one leaving it up the the guest. Look out Dr. Phil, I now have my user name and sign on for the Dr. Phil message boards.

Disapointed but still a big fan.

Thanks for your shows and views on real life situations.

 
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October 29, 2008, 6:40 pm PDT

Gender Confused or Society Confused

Hi,  I am a parent of a daughter who from the earliest years I can remember "her" play with tonka truck, dragons, footballs and thomas the train. We had birhtday cakes and costumes for her in those areas. Her favorite Birthday was her 3rd year old with Thomas The Train. When she was in 1st grade we were shopping for close and she didn't like pink or shimmer close, one day she went into the boys section and wanted the dragon t-shirt and boxers. I tried showing her all the girl clothes that were not pink or pastels, but she didn't want anyting to do with them. She started saying she wanted to be a boy. When she went threw pubity she was caught in the bathroom trying to get rid of her breasts and said boys have it eaiser and she didn't want to be a girl. I sat down with her and asked her why she thought she wanted this and she just was quite. i would allow all the toys and games to be played the boy way and would have her wear the girl clothes for church and school. i finally had a thought and I think this is the most important point. We to often agree with what they want and don't show them how important that God did make them for who they are and the body they are in. They may have those feelings but they can use there talents and body in a good way. I explanied that there are strong Females that can do just as much as  the boys, that you don't have to wear all pink that you can be in your body and enjoy any acitivies you want.

 

Since then she learned that she is not the typical girl but she is better because she can hang with the boys and the girls. She like the outdoors and uses her strengths with nature and sports to her ability. I will say that I thought she was going to be be a boy or lesbian, i would support her either way, but i wanted to empower her to make that choice and learn the side of what God has given her and how she can grow and live in it. I think some parents are afraid to teach and reach out to show them who and what they can become and are afraid of what they won't become and that hinders them. The Girl in the show was very strong i think that makeing the decision when you were 8 is hard but i don't think the saying she should just stop being a girl and go back to a boy is right. That will confuse her more. i think God accepts everyone and kind and loving. We don't know what each individual is going to become and everyone is here for  a purpose. i think we need to love the children and support the parents in any choice they make. Walk a day or minute in there shoes and see how it is.

 

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October 29, 2008, 6:43 pm PDT

Get Robin ONBOARD

Dr. Phil,

You need the female brain working on your show. It is one of the many reasons OPRAH has been so successful.

I was disappointed in your lack of empathy with these parents...... AND to put some mo jos who are into raisning their sons "super male" (without ever having been saddled with the handicap) Is like putting some super athlete on to say he can run and can't imagine why someone born with only one leg can't run also......

COME ON, maybe, you don't have that softer feeling side because maybe you are a male with the testosterone level on the 10 spectrum, but you do have a brilliant brain,. 

FORCE that brain to take on the softer side.  As much so as you are asking that child with the female brain to take on the male brain.

I think Robin can help balance out this show in every episode.

 
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October 29, 2008, 6:46 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Let me explain who I am and let you figure out what I should do?
I was born with an extra chromosome I am 47 XXY, Intersex with a partial uterus, one ovary, one testes, as well as a penis. By the age of 14 I had grown breasts on top of that I was a male. Hmm rough huh? I went into hiding then, in the society then what could I do. There were no Dr Phil's. I am 47 now transitioning into that woman god forgot to finish. Why you are asking? I am 89% female and in premenopause and my wrapper is 11% male. So Dr Phil what do you suggest I should do now. Now remember God doesn't make mistakes.

Should I transition my gender, what gender was that?
That is a whole show on it's own and you read as though you are the perfect candidate to be on the show.  Your story may very well assist many people.  The subject today was not your subject.  It was parents brainwashing their child and putting their child on tv to attempt to validate the parents problem and issues, this was not even the childs problem.  The parents are giving the child a problem.  You really should ask Dr. Phil those question's on his show.  I'm interested to hear Dr. Phils answers on your question's.  God is whoever the believer believes he or she is and the rules change with the walking into the various houses of worship.  No God makes mistakes, that would ruin belief's.  Reproduction isn't perfect for anyone.  Everyone wishes they had different nose, lips, hips, chest, height.  The parts you must deal with aren't as common but that does not mean you are any less perfect.  If you forget that, then that would be your only imperfection.  You cannot find anyone who does not wish some part of them had not been reproduced differently.  Good Luck and hope to see your story on the show.
 
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