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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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October 30, 2008, 4:50 am PDT

You Are Mistaken

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I can't believe this woman is giving her child hormone therapy because HE wants it.  What doctor in his or her right mind would even consider it before puberty?  OH MY GOD.  When do we stop messing with what God has made and stop trying to manipulate people.  Why doesn't this woman get in trouble for abusing her "rights" as a parent.  This child has been manipulated by a woman who wanted a girl. I agree with the parents who are PARENTS and not pawns for their kids whims.  Yes, this frustrated me because people have no morals or values anymore and we watch society turn to crap and we allow people to abuse everything without a second look at what they are doing to a child who will grow in to a messed up adult.  EGADS.
There are strict protocols for treatment. Puberty "blockers" may start at 12. Blockers do NOT change anything, they merely put development on hold.


Hormone replacement therapy (HRT) may be started at age 16 per the Benjamin Standards of Care (SOC). The SOC m,ay be downloaded here:


http://www.WPATH.org


Changes from HRT are mostly reversible.


No surgery is done before age 18 when the child reaches legal age.


So stop being so shocked. Strict medical protocols are in place and are followed. Nobody transitions willy-nilly.
 
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October 30, 2008, 5:00 am PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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If it has not been brought to your attention, I am informing you of a few verses that do speak of  homosexuality as a sin in the "New" Testament also.

 

 Please read 1 Cor. 6:9 and Romans 1:26-27, it is to much for me to type out for you.

 

 

I agree with everything you just said.  In 1 Corinthians 6:9&10 says "Don't you know that those doing such things have no share in the Kingdom of God? (Heaven) Don't fool yourselves.Those who live immoral lives who are idol worshipers, adulterers or homosexuals--will have no shar in his kingdom"~The Living Bible

 

So shouldn't you and I as fellow Christians want to share this to others so that we see them in Heaven too?  God loves us, but gives us the bible as our road map to Heaven. And if we don't follow it,  we won't get there.  Yes, I would like to rip some pages out of the bible, but I can't so you just live by it.

 

Thank goodness God forgives when we come to Him and ask for it.  And thank goodness he doesn't keep tabs.

 
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October 30, 2008, 5:09 am PDT

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this is too those who are always quoting scriptures from the bible.  And this is comming from someone who is always striving to live according to Gods Word the bible.   Yes Sin is Sin.  ,  it is not because they are transgender that makes them sinners. they cant help it.  i believe that everyone should reasearch this.  it is not the same a homosexuallity.  not at all.!!!!!    it is how you live you lives and what you do with it. your lifestyle.   God loves all, but he hates a sin.     What would you say about those who have very bad tourete syndrome,  you know those who yell out bad words.  are they sinners because they say bad words all the time.    no, because they have a phyical impairment. but those who do it and proclaim Gods word should not talk.   what is their excuse.??????????
 
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October 30, 2008, 5:19 am PDT

Sorry, but your brain is more important than your crotch

 

I can't believe some of the people on this board.  I have a sneaking suspicion that those who think the parents are all at fault, and don't "believe" children are born transgendered are the same idiots that think no one is born gay.  That opinion is not based on science, statistics, medicine, etc.  Most people who believe such things are jesus-freaks, who rely on myth more than doctors and other educated professionals.

 

Your brain controls your thoughts, and therefore your emotions and desires.  If you're born thinking you're in the wrong body, then that's it.  Something in the womb got a little weird and that's how you turned out.  You could cruelly refer to it as a mental illness, but either way, it exists and should not be supressed.  Constantly and sternly pressuring your child against their most natural behavior can seriously warp them as they grow older.  If you're constantly told how you feel is flat-out "wrong", imagine how much that would damage someone?

 

In order to be happy people need to feel comfortable with who they are.  Transgendered, transsexual, and gay people are commonly put down and told their innermost thoughts are unacceptable, incorrect, and basically a biological "error".  But this supposed "error", just like being gay, occurred naturally and cannot be reversed or "cured".  Sexual desire and identity is something we are all born with.  Deal with it; it's not quite the end of the world.  These issues should be understood and accepted with compassion.  Why do you think these people have such a high suicide rate?  They're constantly told they're messed up and not like everyone else!  A childhood where everyone around you is claiming you're not normal is straight-up child abuse!

 

To think every single transgendered kid thinks the way they do is because of the parents is completely ridiculous.  Instead of blanketing the whole thing with the goofy claim that "god doesn't make mistakes", people should seriously educate themselves on the issue, get to know families in a similar situation, discuss your child's issue with psychologists, etc.  Leave religion out of it.

 

 
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October 30, 2008, 5:24 am PDT

GOD NEVER MAKES 'MISTAKES', ONLY OBSTACLES TO STRENGTHEN US! :)

  It's my belief these families are trying to do their very best for their children, given the difficulties they are confronted with.  Doctor Siegel, in my opinion, was wise to what is going on with these kids.  Although I'm sure Dan Statton has good intentions in his beliefs, the end result of ignoring or suppressing what these children are feeling inside could have disasterous affects later down the road for them.  We need to truly HEAR OUR CHILDREN, not treat them as if they are furniture.  "Focus on the Family" has good goals of trying to keep morals and values within the family structure, yet sometimes when religious affiliated groups lean too far to one side and are NOT balanced... they loose their objectivity and forget what is in the best interest for individuals within those families.  There are many, many "religious" families that listen to "Focus on the Family", strictly preach to their offspring...alienate the kids (perhaps kicking them out of the home) all in the name of "family values"!!  Tell me, does that make sense???!!  Or even seem balanced??  Why does Statton neglect that sexual orientation could be a "mental abnormality" from birth, when we have so many people will mental diseases in our country???  Does he feel we should ignore those as well?????  Or try to pressure a person with bipolar or someone who is hearing voices in his head, into believing they are "normal"??  Dr. Phil is right, the little boy who wants to be a girl should wait til they are 17 or 18 before taking hormones or make life changing decisions until they are fully sure of their identity.  I hope the best for these kids...life is hard enough, without added hardships being thrown into our lives.  God bless you kids!  ALWAYS REMEMBER, ... God never makes "mistakes", but he does not make everything and everyone to be perfect.  Obstacles are created by him to make us stronger in faith, love, and acceptance!! :)  I will pray Dan Statton, and "Focus on the Family" learns that.  Take care,  Anne from MI
 
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October 30, 2008, 5:27 am PDT

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You are way too paranoid! My husband caught his, when he was little, wearing his sisters tutu. My husband found it so funny that he even took pictures of it. This son, who wore that tutu, is the biggest "macho" man that you have ever met! And no, he's not acting macho because he's trying to hide anything. His son was into dirt bikes, snakes, and every other "boy" thing that he could get himself into. If I had a son who was 4 and wanted to try my eyeshadow I would never have a problem with it. It's just natural curiosity. There is nothing wrong with that and it certainly would make him identify with the "other" sex. I can't even believe that you wrote that!
well it may have sounded like it, but really, you dont know how much these kids have to grow up.  we have a daughter who was diagnosed with  Type 1 diabetes two years ago.  and she has had to grow up so fst. and if you were to ask her anything about type 1 diabetes you would say wow,   these transgender children who are going through this need to know why they are feeling the way they are they want answers, and it is so good for them to know that there is a name and that there is a good reason for feeling the way they do.
 
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October 30, 2008, 5:29 am PDT

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Where in the bible does it say that transgender is wrong?  Where does it say it's a sin?  There is Deuteronomy 22:5  "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God." Ok how many people follow all this passage.  Women wear jeans all the time.  Do you put a rail around your roof so no one falls off,  wear cloth combined of wool and linen?  Sew tassels on four corners of clothes.  Just to name a few.  Would God hate/ disown someone for being intersexed.  Go on with your hate and see how heaven treats you, or will you go to hell?
  Good points...  I liked your message. :)
 
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October 30, 2008, 5:30 am PDT

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I watched the show yesterday, and felt compelled to post a message.  As a 48 yo MtF I think I know a little about this subject.  For the family who criticized the guests stating "it is the parents who purchase the clothes and the parents who set the tome" - you are lucky to have children not impacted by GID.  You cannot know what you would do under another set of circumstances, be happy your family is not dealing with this situation, and please try not to criticize others in a situation in which you cannot relate.  For the gentleman from "Focus on the Family"-  I cannot believe you brought up the story about David "The Boy in a Dress" - this was a tragic case which only proves genitals do not dictate gender.  As a transsexual woman who has the support and love of my entire family - including Grandmothers who are in their 90's.  I can only wonder what you would say about my family - including my husband who has defended our country for the last 22 years as an active duty serviceman.  I am a nurse who has dedicated the past 25 years of my life to helping others. I have raised two step-sons, and now have a granddaughter.  However, we can only be happy and safe if we stay in the closet regarding my GID status.  There are thousands of other like me who lead happy and moral lives, but that very happiness is can only be maintained by secrecy because of the ignorance and discrimination that exists regarding this topic.  Finally, I want to give kudos to the families who appeared on the show, and who were dealing with GID and their children.  You are dealing  with a very difficult situation, and anyone with any compassion could tell you love your children deeply.  Don't allow others to tell you how to "love" your chiild.  With support, love and consideration you and your child with survive this, and whatever the end result you will maintain love and harmony within your family - which is the most important result of all. 

 

 
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October 30, 2008, 5:36 am PDT

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This show reminded me of something I had long forgotten. I have 2 grown children. My daughter was born in 1981. I was sort of an "equal opportunity" parent, I guess. When my daughter was small, my thought was, if she wants to play with "boy toys" for example, trucks, then that's o.k. It didn't have anything to do with anything she said or didn't say. So, occasionally I would pick up a little toy truck. I never said a thing to her. Well, she never had the least bit of interest in those little toy trucks. Remember, I never said a word, I just observed. She didn't necessarily like dolls either. She liked stuffed animals and games. Fast forward, five years later I had my son. As he grew, lo and behold, he loved those little trucks. Again I never said a word, that's just the way it turned out.

 

I think probably, because the way I was raised, made me kind of a feminist. My mother thought that girls did the housework and boys did the outside work. (Ironically, my MOTHER, herself, had to do a lot of the outside work, like feeding the pigs and chopping wood, along with my brothers because my dad didn't exactly consider outside work HIS responsibility) I felt restricted and didn't like it. I never wanted to be a male, but I didn't exactly go along with "boys do this" and "girls do that" mentality.

 

 

I guess what I'm trying to say is we are all individuals. Some of us mortals keep saying that "God doesn't make mistakes". Have any of ya'll considered that what God creates, He considers, in his eyes to be perfect? WE look at people who are different in our eyes and judge and decide how someone is "supposed" to be. God loves all of us. He looks at what is in our hearts. He tells us not to judge one another. And what good does it do anyway? Does it make a Christian feel better to say ugly things about another person? I can tell you that, as a Christian, it breaks my heart to hear anyone be terribly judgemental about someone else. I try to put myself in someone else's shoes and think about how it would feel to be considered an outcast.

 

I think it's very easy for any of us to say what WE would do in any given situation, until WE have walked a mile in that person's shoes.

 

 

 
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October 30, 2008, 5:43 am PDT

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OK, lets see here. I just watched the show. I check this site and :voila" a response to what I wrote earlier...."OH wow, why didnt I think of that! I can overcome this!" "Now why didnt I think of that before? I am 37 years old...surely if I keep trying to change for other people that dont focus on their OWN life, I can eventually be worthy enough! I had already tried to change for complete strangers for over two decades! But THIS time it is different! Nope, THIS time I can...nope, THIS time...Oh, shoot...now I am dead and I wasted my life trying to be someone I was not, all because of other people. As my therapist said years and years ago, I am transgender, as I already knew for decades, and this does not leave. It is something we cope with and others need to learn about.

What a sad waste of time judgmental, ignorant people are. I'm sure when THEY are at the Pearly Gates, God will surely tell them how "Christian" they were acting like this!

This response I got above on here is 1) condescending, 2) judgmental (assuming I would want to change this about me even if I COULD, which again, it is me, but it seems to go in your ears and out the other on everything I wrote, despite trying to be personal, factual and heartfelt professional even., and, of course, the always required 3) IGNORANT. Oh my gosh...since I am Christian myself (as I already said) it is amazing what a bad stereotype so many seem to be on here...do you realize you fit that stereotype to a "T"? All it does is turn off non-Christians to ever find that faith. All stubborn, judgmental, not listening (even if it was wrong, which again it is not) it is how God made me...

You insulted me 110% to equate who I am with being an alcoholic. You should really get some common sense and be ashamed of yourself. Do you even realize what you are writing? Or does your brain not interact with your typing fingers? Oh my...simply , simply amazing. I guess we all must listen to you because you sure sound like you think you know everything....even those things that you actuallly know NOTHING about.

Oh and to the even more amazing winner on this board that seemed to be alluding to me (unless there was somebody else on here that wrote about their parents not knowing about their son being TG), you take the insensitiviy prize, congratulations, I say that my father DIED this month, and all you can say is assume that we MUST have had a bad relationship with my father and mother. News flash to the ignorants to light a flashlight to your thinking....MY PARENTS WERE MARRIED OVER 50 YEARS BEFORE MY FATHER DIED THIS MONTH. There, happy? I guess not because your weak "proof" now holds no water. My family always has been amazingly close, went to church every Sunday back when I lived in their city, etc., it is only in the exception because of people just like YOU writing on here that they dont know about this one thing about me....they, too, were/are extremely religious....as in its practically the only channels and music they every listen to, etc.

Again, I love my God, too, and share the same faith with as my Mom and siblings (and my Dad, before he passed away)...but the way people are thinking like this on these boards is exactly why I thought that I couldn't possibly be a Christian if even I, growing up the way that I did, was like this. I was on the verge of SUICIDE thanks to people like you, congratulations. Is that what you want on your hands?

All of this "converting/conforming" talk TOTALLY reminds me of religious extremists in other countries that KILL people if they dont believe exactly as they do! And news flash...not everyone in the US is a Christian, so what would you say to a TG person that doesnt even have that faith? Crazy, crazy logic so many have on here.

Cant we all use the BRAIN that GOD gave us?! Sheesh, even if it was a sin, (since everyone loves to quote the Bible so much), there is also references that all sin is equal in the eyes of God (there, see? CHRISTIAN)., so I am no "worse" than you as far as sin. So get off of your high horse and "judge not lest ye be judged" (that one sure is appropriate on this board, sad to say).
My  God is  all loving and all forgiving, He loves you just the way you are and so do I! Wish more people would see that their own hatred towards others who are different is the biggest sin of all! Be accepting of all people, Thats what my God preaches! God Bless and take care
 
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