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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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October 30, 2008, 5:52 am PDT

Glenn Stanton

This so called professional appears to be a pityful moron. Perhaps he should stick with writing things he understands. Clearly this guy pissed me off from the time he opened his mouth to the time the show ended. I wanted to haul him from the television screen.

 
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October 30, 2008, 5:59 am PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Why would someone choose a lifestyle they know will cause them strife? Why would someone choose to be hated and denied rights because of their sexuality. Sexuality is NOT a choice. It saddens me greatly to see people hate and judge people based on who they are and who they were created to be. Children are children and should not be judged or hurt because of who they are. If my daughter wants to play with typical "boy" toys that's okay with me. Because I support her for who she is. Not only does it teach our children that who they are is not okay it also teaches them that because they are this or that sex that cannot do something. Such as girls that play with army toys...my daughter could be in the military and succeed just as well as a boy. Now, as far as what the Bible says. We put to much faith in a book that was put together by men at a council where they decided what books could stay and what books had to go. Too much faith in a book that King James V had translated for his people so he could rule them in the way HE saw fit. Let children be who they are and love and support them. Quit hidding behind the bible or anything else and face the things that scare you or you don't understand.

Totally agree. People should just accept their children and support them.  Let nature take it's course.  Go with whatever the child likes to do and not make a huge fuss over it.  We should teach children to accept themselves first and fore most.  Let THEM decide what toys they want to play with or what their interested in, regardless of the gender stereotypes.  Don't put shame on them because they like to do different things than what "society" deems is acceptable.

 

maybe if more people did that, sexuality wouldn't be such a huge deal.  And whether people were straight, gay, transgender, society would be accepting regardless.  Just let people be.  Let people figure it out for themselves.  When it comes to gender and sexuality people are who they are regardless.  Playing with certain gender specific toys when you're young or doing gender specific activities isn't going to change a kid's sexuality. You cannot learn to be gay or transgender, either you are or you aren't....you feel it or you don't.

 

don't stereotype your kids.  I think people should always keep an open mind with kids and just allow them to be themselves and explore.  And teach them to love and accept themselves regardless of who they are or what their interests are. 

 

And if you think your child is having conflict.. allow them to figure it out.  in the meantime just love and support them.  If it's a phase it will pass, if not well then, it is what it is.

 
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October 30, 2008, 6:02 am PDT

Gender Confused Children

I could not believe the parents of that child....Since when does a 3 years old make a decision of what sex they want to be?A 3 years old is not in a position to make a decision as to what sex they want to be.

There is something wrong with the mother.....she is the one to purchase all the clothes the child need, so she need to be firm and buy boy's clothes for the child.

 

 
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October 30, 2008, 6:24 am PDT

"Common Sense" or Prejudice and Ignorance?

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Dr. Phil,

I'm not a daytime TV watcher because I'm always working.  However, I was sick today and stayed at home and watched your show.  I was in disbelief of the mother promoting this behavior of a small child.  It is hard enough for children to deal with growing up with all the pressures of our society.  This child has a better knowledge of this "disorder" than most adults.  Mother Melissa you are teaching your child to be different and giving your son WAY TOO MUCH information to process.  I don't understand what you are trying to prove and I think you are causing the confusion.  As I was watching your home video I realized your were promoting and leading this behavior.  When I was a child my brother 7 years younger followed me around everywhere.  He would mock my actions such as shaving the legs, putting on a bra...my bra!  You are pushing your son into adulthood way before his time.  Let him be a child!  I have another life experience I want to share.  I have a distant relative who has had all the treatments to become a man.  We are about the same age and grew up in a small town where we all knew everyone and most were related in some way.  We were both "tomboys" playing the same sports never wearing dresses hated cleaning house but rather pull weeds in garden or drive a tractor.  I know this was a little easier for Wendy because we could do these things but as we grew up she realized she didn't like boys she liked girls.  This was horrifying for her "Cheerleader" mom but she was lucky she had a stepfather and grandparents who were supportive and nurturing.  They gave her guidelines and rules...lets complete this milestone in life before we make life altering decisions we may regret.  At the age of 30 Wendell completed all the treatments and was officially a male.  His parents and grandparents paid for everything and a few years later was married to my best friend Becky. 

Melissa, I think you are destroying your son's childhood and Tim, you are letting her do it!

 

I don't have a college degree under this roof to support this advice but I do have a "shingle" on my roof for "common sense". 

http://www.LynnConway.com

That website is jam packed full of FACTS and scientific evidence that back them up. And it's written in a very reader-friendly way.

The parent wasn't promoting anything, She was showing UNCONDITIONAL LOVE towards her child. You on the other hand would withhold your love? Maybe even punish a child because they don't live up to your expectations?

Transsexualism is a naturally occurring birth condition. People who are born transsexual, and they can be either male-to-female OR female-to-male, often KNOW who they are at an early age. Didn't you know who you were at an early age? The difference is your mind and body agreed with each other and so you were rewarded with love and acceptance from your parents and society. These children are born with a brain-body mismatch. As a result they don't act "the way they should" because their brain is of one gender and their body is the other. Science has proven that gender identity is inborn and unchangeable, therefore to live a full and happy life the body must be changed to fit the mind. This process is called transitioned and it is overwhelmingly successful. In fact it's one of the most successful medical treatments for any condition. How can you argue with a 98-99% success rate? You can't. You must educate yourself and accept that transsexualism is real and that it happens to real people.
 
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October 30, 2008, 6:47 am PDT

GID is Biological

I posted yesterday, but couldn't get back in today, so I'm simply stating that God doesn't have anything to do with  us being born oneit way or another, in any regard. Babies are born blind, deaf, mongoloid, without limbs, and on and on. This is just another case of someone being born with a birth defect that is correctable with today's medical advances.

For all those God loving "Christians" out there, what do you say when your school team prays for "vicory" and the other school team prays for "victory"?  It's pretty silly isn't it?! I believe in a GOD-thing, but I doubt seriously whether He/She/It cares about such mundane issues. We're born due to biology. We live where we live (how would you like to be born in Rawanda or worse? Consider yourself lucky. God didn't have anything to do with it.

History and other cultures have accepted that gender is not always what it seems. American Natives, India, and many other cultures and countries have accepted this for centuries. We live in a very uptight society in the US due to Chritianity being forced on everyone. It's not even the #1 religion in the world!!! So who died and made you all boss....

Spend more time improving the way you live with others and less condemming those who are a little different.

 
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October 30, 2008, 7:08 am PDT

Parents fault?

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I could not believe the parents of that child....Since when does a 3 years old make a decision of what sex they want to be?A 3 years old is not in a position to make a decision as to what sex they want to be.

There is something wrong with the mother.....she is the one to purchase all the clothes the child need, so she need to be firm and buy boy's clothes for the child.

 

You obviously have never been a child who felt he/she was "wearing" the wrong body.  No, a 3 yr old doesn't know what SEX he/she is.  A 3 yr old doesn't know what SEX is!  But a 3 yr old certainly knows if he/she is a girl or boy and it has nothing to do with anatomy.  Forcing a child to wear certain clothing based on anatomy is cruel.  These parents are doing what they feel is right for their child.  There child is loved and she/he knows it!  Should they have horomone therapy for their child pre-puberty?  I don't know.

 

Speaking for myself, I ALWAYS felt "different".  From as far back as I can remember, at least age 3 or before, I felt I should have been a boy.  My parents were as supportive as possible, but they were products of society and made it clear to me that society expected me to be behave/dress in certain ways in certain situations because of my anatomy.  The result was I felt broken.

 

I commend these parents for their full acceptance of their child.  This child probably feels "broken" no matter what the parents do in this situation.  At least this child knows that his/her parents respect who he/she IS, not who or what they or society might dictate.

 
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October 30, 2008, 7:43 am PDT

They don't DECIDE

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You obviously have never been a child who felt he/she was "wearing" the wrong body.  No, a 3 yr old doesn't know what SEX he/she is.  A 3 yr old doesn't know what SEX is!  But a 3 yr old certainly knows if he/she is a girl or boy and it has nothing to do with anatomy.  Forcing a child to wear certain clothing based on anatomy is cruel.  These parents are doing what they feel is right for their child.  There child is loved and she/he knows it!  Should they have horomone therapy for their child pre-puberty?  I don't know.

 

Speaking for myself, I ALWAYS felt "different".  From as far back as I can remember, at least age 3 or before, I felt I should have been a boy.  My parents were as supportive as possible, but they were products of society and made it clear to me that society expected me to be behave/dress in certain ways in certain situations because of my anatomy.  The result was I felt broken.

 

I commend these parents for their full acceptance of their child.  This child probably feels "broken" no matter what the parents do in this situation.  At least this child knows that his/her parents respect who he/she IS, not who or what they or society might dictate.

Three year olds do not DECIDE to be a boy or a girl anymore than you or I DECIDED to be one gender or the other! They may have the boy or girl "parts" but that doesn't change the way they FEEL they are! Anyone who has spent any time around small children can see that there is a difference between the way most boys and girls play. You can say that's a stereotype, but watching groups of children, it's true that the majority are naturally drawn into their so-called gender roles. I always thought that if I provided both boy and girl toys to my two sons, they would play equally with both. However, they completely ignored the girl toys, and sometime even threw them aside. Then several years later I had a daughter. I also provided both boy and girl toys. She occasionally played with typical boy toys, but preferred girl toys. Then a few years later I had another son. He has always gravitated toward girl things (toys, clothes, makeup, hair, etc.). Despite being given boy items, he wants girl things. Since he was two he has said he wants to be a girl (he's now almost five). He didn't DECIDE to feel that way, that is just the way GOD made him. I do not believe God made a mistake. I love him just the way he is and he shouldn't be considered to have a problem. It's only a "problem" for narrowminded fake-Christians who are missing the message God has tried to teach us---LOVE. Love for EVERYONE, not just those that meet their definition of acceptable. And as far as phony Christians saying this is a sin, aren't we all sinners?? Aren't we not to judge others but to lift each other up and encourage each other and most importantly, LOVE each other? Before you criticize, judge or condemn someone, think about God's message of LOVE. I'll let God worry about the judging, I've got enough on my plate!
 
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October 30, 2008, 7:55 am PDT

Gender Disphorey

I have been dealing with my gender since i was 5 years it is so sad that people aren't listerning when you try to tell them how you feel there is no worse hell then living in the wrong body i feel the child should be giving choices have two sets of clothing for the child if he/she is of one gender or the other they will get tied of one set of clothing i am 50 now i came out in 2002 started hormones 3 years ago i have been dealing with this all my life now some of the doctor have refused to treat me they tell me it is wrong to feel that way but finally got some doctors to listen to me being disable at my age has even made the road harder my mom was killed in 1993 run over by her sister while walking into the doctors office that another story my dad is 81 and has bad health my dream has always to be complete before he dies so one partent can at least see me happy it going to cost 20,000 for my GRS beside other care just don't see the light at the end of the tunnel i pray to GOD all the time just give me one mericail and that is to be complete before my dad dies and my health gets worse my doctor says i am health enought for GRS but this isn't a choice for anyone that suffers from GID it is life thearting for someone like me we didn't ask for this but to function as a normal person your body must match your brain i have been studying this all my life trying to find help and understanding but being in povity all my life makes it even harder for someone like me there is over a 31% death sucide rate because of alot to deal with when no one listern what i have found over the years you have three ten year purge cycles then it hit so hard it made me so sick i feel like i am dieing so people need to listen to the child in what they are saying in stead of condeming them you can learn a lot from a child to
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October 30, 2008, 8:12 am PDT

Still changing

I went through the same confusions as a small child. I HATED being a girl! I would become very upset and physically sick if I knew I had to put on a dress or have my hair rolled for church! I was much happier in my cowboy boots and building forts in the woods with the boys. Being a little girl was pushed down my throat as child and I fought it every step of the way. High school was very tough. I did not get along with the other girls...I couldn't give a crap about make up or dating, so I was made fun of by everyone. The guys treated as one of them and this was pretty cool, but I still felt awkward since I didn't ever get asked out like all the girls did....what was wrong with me? After I graduated, I went to work in a dept. store and landed a full time position in the cosmetics dept....of all places!! I lost a ton of weight and played the part of a very feminine woman, but was not at all happy. I had become the very person I despised. I turned to drugs and alcohol to mask the confusion and pain. When I was out partying with my friends, I was "safe". Over the years I have wandered in and out of the Feminine/Masculine roles trying to find a place to fit. Strange thing is, I still can't figure that one out! When I am on drugs and skinny, I feel like a beautiful woman and dress and act that part. When I am fat and clean, I tend to be very butch in appearance. Everyone seems to like the skinny, high sissy girl much better than the fat dyke!! This hurts me a lot and I wish I knew how to overcome this. So, I have been struggling with Gender Confusion since I was about 4 or 5 and now I am 47...when does it end???
 
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October 30, 2008, 8:27 am PDT

this show SCARED me!

OMG........hormone therapy at age 8???  STOP PEOPLE!!  I grew up SUCH a tomboy, hated pink, dresses, frills,& absolutely refused to shop in the sissy girls department.  Now at age 40, I am a happily married mother of 2, it completely horrifies me to think what would have happened if my parents had started me on some sort of hormone therapy at age 9 or 10.  (I still hate dresses, who invented them anyways?), I'm just thankful my parents sat back and let me develop at my own pace, by age 13-14 I figured out that I was indeed a girl and definitely liked boys.  These kids are too young to start messing with their hormones!
 
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