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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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October 30, 2008, 6:36 pm PDT

No he does not makes mistakes

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GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES!  If God made mistakes, He wouldn't be much of a GOD now would He??? That just makes me mad that someone would say that!!  Now listen, just because your child WANTS to wear nail polish doesn't mean you should let him. When I was a child I wanted to smoke cigarettes because I saw others doing it... mom and dad didn't run out and get me some, they knew what was best for me!  I'm glad Dr. Phil had someone from Focus on The Family on, but Dr. Phil, it bothers me when you SAY you are a Christian and yet don't speak up when someone openly defies the GOD you say you believe in.  Again, GOD DOES NOT make mistakes!

He did not make a mistake He made her and He will always love her.  I hope that she learns to love God and look to God for peace and comfort through this hard time.  She is not a mistake because of the person she is.  You cannot compare letting a child smoke to letting a child wear nail polish.  Smoking can kill you of course parents are going to keep their kids away from smoking, drugs and alcohol. Letting a child be who they are is not deadly.  It is only potentially fatal if you don't!  
 
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October 30, 2008, 6:52 pm PDT

You can keep your morals

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I applaud Dr. Phil for choosing to allow a Christian perspective on the show. I'm sure the producers knew it wouldn't be popular for the public to hear the truth. Not the feel good , I go to church on Sundays and do what I want the rest of the week Christian ideals, but the real, live your life by the words in the Bible truth. Thank you. Our nation is in this current mess because we have strayed from our morals. And God does not make mistakes. That is our job as humans, it is called free will. At the end of the day, not one of us can judge a parent who has a child with gender confusion.

I cannot express my appreciation enough for hearing from Focus on the Family. I hope this continues. I have never taken interest in televsion or bothered spending time to express my opinion, but feel very strongly about this. Thank you again, this show has just earned a bit more respect from me.

Your 'morals' get people put out of their homes and jobs and worse, sometimes they even get people killed. You can have your morals, but please keep them to yourself and let the rest of us use our 'free will' as we see fit. I am secure in my relationship with God and I don't need someone to tell me what that should look like. You see God gave me a brain of my very own and I use it on a regular basis. I have a heart too and I know how to use that as well. Hate and judgment are never in alignment with God's will.
 

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October 30, 2008, 7:00 pm PDT

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 I am so disappointed that a man of God would judge children and the parents that are trying to love and care for them.  Our society is so judge mental.  How can you judge someone when you have not walked in the same shoes?  (He probably thinks that ADHD is not real and parents can’t control their children.)  You cannot judge people when you have not been face to face with the same experience.  

I admit that if I did not have a child that was gender confused I probably would not understand either.  I can understand that it is a hard subject for anyone to deal with.  But to tell a parent they have turned their child this way is absurd.  Do you think as parents that we WANT our children to be this way?  Do you actually think that the children WANT to be gay or transgender?  Why would anyone CHOOSE a life like this?  They don’t, it is chosen for them by God.  This is the way they are born. God made these children.  They are still children of God.  They can choose to live a lie and not follow their true self.  They can portray themselves as the “gender” they were born but that does not take away how they FEEL.   There are a lot of gays and transgender individuals that stay in the closet to protect themselves.  You can take away your son’s Barbie’s but a transgender child still WANTS to play with Barbie’s even if he isn’t allowed to.  You CANNOT CHANGE their feeling even though you say NO I refuse you to be live like this. They play with the toys they are expected to play with as children because they already know at a young age that it is not accepted and they will be ridiculed.  As adults they get married and have children as they are “supposed to” and they live a lie because they are terrified of rejection and scared of living a life that is not accepted.   I don’t understand the research that Glen Stanton has done to come to the conclusion that you can CHANGE children into someone they are not.  How many transgender children/adults has he interviewed?

Any stories from transgender adults that I have read had the feeling they were not in the right body since childhood even though their parents MADE them play with gender specific toys.  Some of these adults don’t have relationships with their parents today because they can’t accept it.  And some of them are dead from suicide because of people like Glen Stanton that are trying to turn society against them.  

My goal is that my son grows into a happy, healthy (and alive) individual that is a kind and caring and contributes to society.  If he chooses to take the step of sexual reassignment surgery then I would support him.  Is it going to be hard?  Absolutely!  I would be lying if I said I did not bother me.  This is not the way I dreamed my son would be before he was born.  No one expects this.  I prayed that he would have all 10 fingers and toes and I never thought to pray, “Please God, have his brain and his anatomy come out with the same gender.”  I love my son and I know that we as parents did not make him this way, because if we could have changed it we would have.   

At the age of 2 he was drawn to anything that was girly and hated playing anything boyish.  Everyone said it was a phase and he would grow out of it.  He never did and he is 6 years old.  We still dressed him as Spider Man for Halloween and had boyish birthday parties.  We tried desperately to steer him into a boy.  We took everything remotely girlish away from him and he used his imagination to pretend he was a girl. We took away his Barbie’s and he used a spoon and a fork as a Prince and Princess and napkins as their dresses.  He used towels as dresses and said he was a Princess.  We argued with him for 3 years that he was a prince not a princess.  And that God made him a boy not a girl.  He does not like God now because he thinks God made him this way.  I try to tell him that God did make you this way but he still loves you and is still there for you all the time.  It breaks my heart when he wants to be a Princess for Halloween and he can’t.  I just cannot let him at the age of 6 to put his self out there and make his self so vulnerable.   He told me one time, “Mom, I really want to be a girl, but I just don’t know how to do that. I tell him that he can always talk with me about his feelings and if he feels this way when he is older we will talk and he has options.  Then he asked me if he could have long red hair like Ariel. (The Little Mermaid) I fear that when he really learns the difference in anatomy between a girl and a boy that is when he will really understand that he is different.  

Sometimes it is a phase and if it is they can be steered, but if they don’t grow out of it, it is not a phase and it is not anything you did as a parent.  Please don’t break these children’s spirit and make them afraid to be who they are.
 

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October 30, 2008, 7:24 pm PDT

gender confused children

There are a lot of things that I could say about this topic however I will narrow it down a little.  First, let me say that I am so tired of people referencing God without factual information.  God provided a guide book called the Bible and no it may not contain the literal answer to every question we have, but it is the closest and most factual source we have.  Where in the bible did it ever state that God is gender blind? Clearly in Genesis the bible states that God created man and woman to be fruitful and be partners in many things on the earth.  God did not give both of them the same sexual organ because that would have led the world to nowhere.  He clearly recoginizes and discusses the differences between a man and a woman in the bible not just a human with any sex organs.  Secondly, God condemns homosexuality.  He case homosexuals, and other sinners, from Sodom and Gomorrah and burnt the city down.  He speaks about man being with man being an abomination in another place in the bible.  If I had to guess based upon the bible, I would guess God is not too pleased with the current state of things. 

Secondly with the gender confusion,  the world does like to adopt certain rules for boys and certain rules for girls.  Girls can play with trucks but boys can't play with dolls.  Who cares what you play with. If my son came to me at three and said mommy I'm a girl I would say no you are a boy now go and play.  If he came to me at eight and said the same thing I would talk to him about being a boy and go to the Lord in prayer.  I would never encourage my child to live opposite of his gender.  That is doing any child a diservice and making them grow up too fast.  When did kids begin becoming so concerned with their gender identity?  I don't ever remember thinking so much about being a girl.  I know that I liked dolls and other stuff but I liked boys things too.  I believe that the media and the overall "anything goes" attitude of this nation has really shifted the way our kids grow up and behave.

Thirdly, I believe that the hormones and other additives in the foods that we eat can play a part in the children that we create.  If hormones can effect a little girl and she begins menstruation at 5 and develops breast at 9, anything is possible.  Why can't hormones be responsible for people being born with a female brain in a male's body.  God would not have crafted a human in his likeness in that way.  I don't understand it all and we probably never will.  I do know however that I would never allow my eight year old child to dress in a manner anything different then he is however I would always accept my child and always support and love him no matter his life decisions.  As his parent, he would know my moral stance and what I believe so there would be no confusion about trying to make me believe someone could be born like that because I never will.

 

Lastly, I want you to imagine for a moment if more and more children began professing feelings of being an opposite genders and more groups are created encouraging 14 and up teens to explore their sexuality and their feelings towards the opposite sex where will the state of the family be? If there is no procreation and family unit the structure as we know it will fall apart.  And just a comment,  PLEAAAAAAAAAASE stop comparing accepting homosexuality and gender confusion as one may accept minorities.  I am not a controversial issue that has yet to be determined whether it is chosen or a lifestyle that can change or reverse or whatever in some circumstances.  I was born African-American, very proud to be, their is no negative light upon my race in my eyes, and my civil rights as a human being do not even compare to the rights the gay community is fighting for.  My ancestors were slaves not that long ago and could not even come in the front door of a restaurant.  Homosexuals have suffered persecution however what one does in the privacy of their home can not be disturbed.  People do not walk out of their door usually with a sign saying "I am gay" but I will always be noticed as African-American no matter how I walk , talk or anything else and it's just a comparison that should not be made.

 

Let me end by saying I hate no one but I disagree with homosexuality based upon my religious beliefs.  I disagree with the "just let people be" attitude of society and the moral looseness we have developed.   At the end of the day, I don't have to answer to someone being homosexual but that person who is does and I think we really need to focus on a stronger family structure, eradicating divorce, and raising kids that will carry this country to even greater heights.

 
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October 30, 2008, 7:56 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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There are a lot of things that I could say about this topic however I will narrow it down a little.  First, let me say that I am so tired of people referencing God without factual information.  God provided a guide book called the Bible and no it may not contain the literal answer to every question we have, but it is the closest and most factual source we have.  Where in the bible did it ever state that God is gender blind? Clearly in Genesis the bible states that God created man and woman to be fruitful and be partners in many things on the earth.  God did not give both of them the same sexual organ because that would have led the world to nowhere.  He clearly recoginizes and discusses the differences between a man and a woman in the bible not just a human with any sex organs.  Secondly, God condemns homosexuality.  He case homosexuals, and other sinners, from Sodom and Gomorrah and burnt the city down.  He speaks about man being with man being an abomination in another place in the bible.  If I had to guess based upon the bible, I would guess God is not too pleased with the current state of things. 

Secondly with the gender confusion,  the world does like to adopt certain rules for boys and certain rules for girls.  Girls can play with trucks but boys can't play with dolls.  Who cares what you play with. If my son came to me at three and said mommy I'm a girl I would say no you are a boy now go and play.  If he came to me at eight and said the same thing I would talk to him about being a boy and go to the Lord in prayer.  I would never encourage my child to live opposite of his gender.  That is doing any child a diservice and making them grow up too fast.  When did kids begin becoming so concerned with their gender identity?  I don't ever remember thinking so much about being a girl.  I know that I liked dolls and other stuff but I liked boys things too.  I believe that the media and the overall "anything goes" attitude of this nation has really shifted the way our kids grow up and behave.

Thirdly, I believe that the hormones and other additives in the foods that we eat can play a part in the children that we create.  If hormones can effect a little girl and she begins menstruation at 5 and develops breast at 9, anything is possible.  Why can't hormones be responsible for people being born with a female brain in a male's body.  God would not have crafted a human in his likeness in that way.  I don't understand it all and we probably never will.  I do know however that I would never allow my eight year old child to dress in a manner anything different then he is however I would always accept my child and always support and love him no matter his life decisions.  As his parent, he would know my moral stance and what I believe so there would be no confusion about trying to make me believe someone could be born like that because I never will.

 

Lastly, I want you to imagine for a moment if more and more children began professing feelings of being an opposite genders and more groups are created encouraging 14 and up teens to explore their sexuality and their feelings towards the opposite sex where will the state of the family be? If there is no procreation and family unit the structure as we know it will fall apart.  And just a comment,  PLEAAAAAAAAAASE stop comparing accepting homosexuality and gender confusion as one may accept minorities.  I am not a controversial issue that has yet to be determined whether it is chosen or a lifestyle that can change or reverse or whatever in some circumstances.  I was born African-American, very proud to be, their is no negative light upon my race in my eyes, and my civil rights as a human being do not even compare to the rights the gay community is fighting for.  My ancestors were slaves not that long ago and could not even come in the front door of a restaurant.  Homosexuals have suffered persecution however what one does in the privacy of their home can not be disturbed.  People do not walk out of their door usually with a sign saying "I am gay" but I will always be noticed as African-American no matter how I walk , talk or anything else and it's just a comparison that should not be made.

 

Let me end by saying I hate no one but I disagree with homosexuality based upon my religious beliefs.  I disagree with the "just let people be" attitude of society and the moral looseness we have developed.   At the end of the day, I don't have to answer to someone being homosexual but that person who is does and I think we really need to focus on a stronger family structure, eradicating divorce, and raising kids that will carry this country to even greater heights.

There is no factual information about god. It is all based on believing in stories. If you want to believe then that is your option, but enforcing your beliefs on others is evil. Please tell me what difference it makes to your life if a man wears a skirt, or if a woman decides she can't live without her very own penis. When you wake up tomorrow tell me how your world is fundamentally altered because two lesbians fell in love and got married. Just because you want something a certain way doesn't mean it's right, or that I want it. You have no right to decide how I, or anyone else, lives their life. As for slavery. Every people of every colour on earth have had that disgusting institution. You say you hate no one, but who do you accept? People like you scare me to my core, because I believe you have the right to be who you want, but you don't extend me, or others the same freedom.
 

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October 30, 2008, 8:26 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

DR PHIL ,THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING DIFFERENT VIEWS ON THE SUBJECT GENDER CONFUSED CHILDREN,AND INDEED THEY ARE CONFUSED.THE BIBLE TELLS US TO TRAIN UP THE CHILD,BECAUSE THEY ARE CHILDREN.UNLESS THEY ARE SUPER GENIUS NO 3 YEAR OLD CHILD HAS A CLUE OF WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG. (UNLIKE OPRAH ,I THANK YOU FOR PRESENTING A CHRISTIAN VIEW ON THE MATTER )
 
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October 30, 2008, 8:59 pm PDT

10/29 Gender Confused Children

I watched this show and was a little disturbed by the parents who allowed their son to dress like a girl.  I don't really know if that is a good idea but I can't really speak on that because I am not in their situation.  I'm just thinking that maybe they are doing more harm than good. That's a hard call.  And I do believe that kids know at an early age whether they are attracted to the same sex or not. If it was my son, I would love him either way but he would not be walking around in dresses and skirts with nail polish and lip gloss.  That would be something that he would buy on his own when he was old enough to purchase with his own money.  I wouldn't do it because this world is a cruel world and I would be worried about his safety for the most part.  And the little boy seemed happy but I would like to see a follow up show ten years from now to see if he changed his mind like the other guest. 
 
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October 30, 2008, 9:01 pm PDT

Out Of The Shadows

A video on gender differnt children;

http://transactiveonline.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
 
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October 30, 2008, 9:05 pm PDT

here's where you totally miss the point

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There are a lot of things that I could say about this topic however I will narrow it down a little.  First, let me say that I am so tired of people referencing God without factual information.  God provided a guide book called the Bible and no it may not contain the literal answer to every question we have, but it is the closest and most factual source we have.  Where in the bible did it ever state that God is gender blind? Clearly in Genesis the bible states that God created man and woman to be fruitful and be partners in many things on the earth.  God did not give both of them the same sexual organ because that would have led the world to nowhere.  He clearly recoginizes and discusses the differences between a man and a woman in the bible not just a human with any sex organs.  Secondly, God condemns homosexuality.  He case homosexuals, and other sinners, from Sodom and Gomorrah and burnt the city down.  He speaks about man being with man being an abomination in another place in the bible.  If I had to guess based upon the bible, I would guess God is not too pleased with the current state of things. 

Secondly with the gender confusion,  the world does like to adopt certain rules for boys and certain rules for girls.  Girls can play with trucks but boys can't play with dolls.  Who cares what you play with. If my son came to me at three and said mommy I'm a girl I would say no you are a boy now go and play.  If he came to me at eight and said the same thing I would talk to him about being a boy and go to the Lord in prayer.  I would never encourage my child to live opposite of his gender.  That is doing any child a diservice and making them grow up too fast.  When did kids begin becoming so concerned with their gender identity?  I don't ever remember thinking so much about being a girl.  I know that I liked dolls and other stuff but I liked boys things too.  I believe that the media and the overall "anything goes" attitude of this nation has really shifted the way our kids grow up and behave.

Thirdly, I believe that the hormones and other additives in the foods that we eat can play a part in the children that we create.  If hormones can effect a little girl and she begins menstruation at 5 and develops breast at 9, anything is possible.  Why can't hormones be responsible for people being born with a female brain in a male's body.  God would not have crafted a human in his likeness in that way.  I don't understand it all and we probably never will.  I do know however that I would never allow my eight year old child to dress in a manner anything different then he is however I would always accept my child and always support and love him no matter his life decisions.  As his parent, he would know my moral stance and what I believe so there would be no confusion about trying to make me believe someone could be born like that because I never will.

 

Lastly, I want you to imagine for a moment if more and more children began professing feelings of being an opposite genders and more groups are created encouraging 14 and up teens to explore their sexuality and their feelings towards the opposite sex where will the state of the family be? If there is no procreation and family unit the structure as we know it will fall apart.  And just a comment,  PLEAAAAAAAAAASE stop comparing accepting homosexuality and gender confusion as one may accept minorities.  I am not a controversial issue that has yet to be determined whether it is chosen or a lifestyle that can change or reverse or whatever in some circumstances.  I was born African-American, very proud to be, their is no negative light upon my race in my eyes, and my civil rights as a human being do not even compare to the rights the gay community is fighting for.  My ancestors were slaves not that long ago and could not even come in the front door of a restaurant.  Homosexuals have suffered persecution however what one does in the privacy of their home can not be disturbed.  People do not walk out of their door usually with a sign saying "I am gay" but I will always be noticed as African-American no matter how I walk , talk or anything else and it's just a comparison that should not be made.

 

Let me end by saying I hate no one but I disagree with homosexuality based upon my religious beliefs.  I disagree with the "just let people be" attitude of society and the moral looseness we have developed.   At the end of the day, I don't have to answer to someone being homosexual but that person who is does and I think we really need to focus on a stronger family structure, eradicating divorce, and raising kids that will carry this country to even greater heights.

you say-

"People do not walk out of their door usually with a sign saying "I am gay" but I will always be noticed as African-American no matter how I walk , talk or anything else and it's just a comparison that should not be made."

The problem is that because of people who insist on treating gay and transgendered people (not the same thing) as being "wrong" and essentially evil abominations, it creates an atmoshpere where violent bigots feel justified to not only harass and attack LGBT people, but to also harass and attack ANYONE they *think* is  gay or TG, based on things like looks, mannerisms, having a lisp, men wearing pink, women wearing crew cuts, etc.

So people don't have to carry a sign saying "I am gay" to be subjected to anti-gay violence and harassment...they don't even have to BE gay, as evidenced by the fact that so many people here keep calling transgender people "gay" when being trans and being gay are not the same thing, and have nothing to do with each other. White complected people don't have to worry about being mistaken for being black, but many, many straight and non-TG people get accused of being gay and TG ALL THE TIME, and are harassed and even killed for it.

Please show me where in the Bible it says that we are to judge people at all, let alone on how they look?

And yes, the civil rights struggles of the LGBT population in the area of equal marriage rights parallels almost EXACTLY the fight of interracial couples to marry in the days of anti-miscegenation laws- religious ideolgues attempted to impose their "religious values" on an entire segment of the population, claimed that allowing interracial marriage was an affront to God, would confuse and damage children, and would undermine the institution itself-and the courts eventually ruled that it was unconstitutional and the world didn't end.

Demanding that LGBT people perform all of the responsibilities of every other citizen while denying them the civil rights and protections afforded non-LGBT people may not rise to the same level of slavery that African-Americans experienced in the past, but it is still similar in that it treats LGBT people as less than fully human and creates an atmosphere where they can be routinely harassed and even killed while institutions whose job it is to secure the rights and safety of EVERYONE look the other way.
 
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October 30, 2008, 9:13 pm PDT

The Transgender Child: A Handbook for Families and Professionals

A recent book on gender different (transgender) youth:

http://www.tsroadmap.com/notes/index.php/site/comments/new_book_the_transgender_child_a_handbook_for_families_and_professionals/




 
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