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Created on : Friday, October 24, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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November 2, 2008, 2:39 pm PST

Too many assumptions

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      Yes, I am a parent to a three year old.

 

     No, I would not punish my child for experimenting with opposing gender associated materials.

     No, I would not influence the child with either Positive nor Negative Reinforcement methods, and I definitely wouldn't use Postive or Negative Punishments for doing so.

     Yes, I would seek a professional opinion if my child was seriously viewing his or herself as the opposite gender. However, my child is in the phase where I can break a cookie into twenty pieces, and my child's perception would indicate twenty cookies.

 

       I absolutely see no reason why a child should not be able to experiment his or her perception of his or her self. I would rather allow my child to feel comfortable doing so in front of me rather than behind my back where I'll miss indications; I would be well-advised to seek professional aid.

 

       There is a world of difference between a child who knows the educational terms and a child who understands those terms. I should be 100% sure that my child understands before I move to the next step. Factor in affordability and 18 is approximately where I'd be able to cover it. By then, the child would be old enough to legally make the decision his or her self.

 

       Look at my position objectively. We agree that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a child exploring their self, and we agree that surgerical gender change should be socially acceptable.

       We differ between in where a child is making an adult decision and the parents following through and if the child understands the decision.

      

      Would you not question my decision making if I appeared to be making a decision primarily based on avoiding suicidal depression? Or, would this not cause enough to question the person?

       If I hadn't gotten this kind of cause for concern, I wouldn't have questioned you. Other than sharing my position and why as well as attempting to counter those religious comments, I haven't had cause to question.

 

      Ok, let me ask you this.

 

      If a child repeated tells a parent, he or she was meant to have been the opposite gender from 5-16. Who is distressed because the mental and physical image do not match despite multiple attempts to try appearing so in the mirror. Who was forced to wear the opposite gender's clothes dominantly when the parents were out, who later was taken to professionals for a diagnoisis.

       Would you diagnois this child? If so, would you reccommend hormonal therapy and surgery to correct the problem? Or more to the point, how would you handle this situation?

     

"There is a world of difference between a child who knows the educational terms and a child who understands those terms. I should be 100% sure that my child understands before I move to the next step. Factor in affordability and 18 is approximately where I'd be able to cover it. By then, the child would be old enough to legally make the decision his or her self."

 

So if you could afford to help the child prior to the age of 18 you would be willing? And you are assuming that I did not go through any of this vetting process with my child?

 

 Would you not question my decision making if I appeared to be making a decision primarily based on avoiding suicidal depression? Or, would this not cause enough to question the person?

 

So you are assuming that my decision was made primarily based on avoiding suicidal depression?

I can't say for certain but I don't think I would question what decisions you as a parent made to prevent your child from taking his/her life. I don't know you or your child or all of the things that led you to that point. I think that it would be pretty presumptuous of me to question you or your decisions. Ultimately my opinion is not relevant.

 

Who was forced to wear the opposite gender's clothes dominantly when the parents were out, who later was taken to professionals for a diagnosis

 

Again, assumptions...who said anything about forcing a particular style of dress? Who is doing what while the parents are out? Taken later than what for diagnosis? I don't know what you are trying to say.

 

 Would you diagnois this child? If so, would you reccommend hormonal therapy and surgery to correct the problem? Or more to the point, how would you handle this situation?

 

Assumptions again? I am not a clinician and therefore do not diagnose children with anything. I also do not make recommendations for hormonal therapy or surgery.

 

Clearly you are very invested in making some point here and I'm missing it. All I asked is if you were a parent. I was curious to know if you had children. I really have no idea what your post is trying to say.

 

You don't know me. You don't know my child. You don't know what professionals we have consulted over what period of time or for what conditions or diagnosis. Yet you seem pretty certain that you are more capable of an 'objective' assessment of the proper medical treatment and time line for my child than his parents and his health care team.

 

Who died and left you in charge?

 
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November 2, 2008, 3:40 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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I've read many of your posts and found most of them shockingly uninformed. People have attempted to educate you and you refuse to listen. What's the word for people who refuse to listen to reason and scientific evidence, who cling to prior beliefs not matter what. Oh yes, that word would be "prejudiced". You're mind is totally closed to any input, so why do you even try to claim different? Read and learn:

http://www.LynnConway.com

Tons of information there, including SCIENTIFIC links.
Well said!  I checked out the site.  Thanx so much for the link.  
 
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November 2, 2008, 3:47 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Trying to shame me or other transsexual people will NOT work. Anyone who knows anything about the field knows that we are in the process of getting transsexuality removed from the DSM. But these things take time. Also you should be careful when using the DSM to shame people because there are many common things in there. For example: Are you a shy person? If you are guess what? You're in the DSM as Social Anxiety Disorder. And there are many more. The DSM is not strictly about "mental illness". Nice try though!

Transsexuality is a naturally occurring birth condition. All research of the last 20 years supports this. The problem isn't the children, it's a society that stubbornly clings to old stereotypes and beliefs.

You can't help these people.  It's like beating your head against the wall.   Soon enough they'll be gone (thin the herd) and the next generation will be here.  Fingers crossed they'll do better.

 

 

I applaud you for the work that you do.   Chipping away at ignorance can take decades, as history has already shown us.    Hopefully research, time and compassionate people like you will be able to make a difference.  Best of luck to you, stay strong and never give up. 

 
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November 2, 2008, 4:50 pm PST

Gender Confused Children

    This gender problem is just a phase for children. They will grow out of it..........
 
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November 2, 2008, 7:41 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Word.

Which word? I like words. I know a lot of words.
 
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November 2, 2008, 7:55 pm PST

Children being children

 Ok I personally have three small kids A girl 3, A boy 2, and another daughter 1...... I dont think there is ANY problem what so ever about my son playing with the same toys the girls play with and the other way around. I do think however if my son was saying he wanted to be a girl then thats another issue.  I think sometimes as parents we have to make the right decision for our kids, I WOULD NOT send my son to school in girls clothes or let him think thats ok.  One of the Dr.s brought up a good point..... Do you know what you are doing to that child? YOU are asking other kids to single them out and make fun of them! Thats NOT ok! You are allowing your child to make decisions YOU AS THERE PARENT SHOULD BE MAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!  If  he like ballet..... HE CAN LIKE IT IN A MASCULINE WAY!  if he wants to play barbies at home let him do it..... But taking it this far is RIDICULOUS!!!! BE A PARENT and make the BEST decisions for them.... They grow up soon enough and then they can MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS as to how they "want" to dress and things of that nature! I think the mother on the show has put ALOT of the stuff the child said in the childs mind.... HOW IS AN 8 YEAR OLD GOING TO KNOW ABOUT HORMONE TREATMENTS??????? and in my opinion a CHILD shouldnt know the exact meaning of being "transgender". I dont know an 8 year old that can tell you what exactly that means.   LET THEM BE CHILDREN FOR  PETES SAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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November 2, 2008, 7:57 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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It is so sad that this sort of thing has to happen. I speak with many youth who feel that their parents love God more than they love them. What a CHOICE for a child to have to make. I know that Jesus taught compassion. Turning your back on your child is not compassionate.
In my experience christian compassion and understanding is a mythical being, elusive, ephemeral, and eerie.
 
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November 2, 2008, 9:46 pm PST

a choice

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No one chooses to be transgender!!! Do your homework, open your mind, and enlighten your narrow minded views!!! Who would choose to be someone that is socially outcasted by ignorant individuals!!! There is tons of scientific research on this issue, wake-up!!!  Ignorance is a choice!!! Choose wisdom!!!!

Honey,

             I do have wisdom.  Being a transgender is a choice!  I don't know why they choose to be this way.  They definitely wasn't born this way.  You tell me why they choose to be this way?

 
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November 2, 2008, 9:54 pm PST

surgery?

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       Unless I am misinterpreting Zookeeper's point, Zookeeper is saying; a surgery is a choice. Am I accurately interpreting your point, Zookeeper?

seenfff,

              I didn't say anything about surgery.  But any surgery is a choice.  Some you have to have and some you don't.

 
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November 2, 2008, 10:31 pm PST

hi

We should exhibit unconditional love for each other, not only children.  I'm not religious, but I believe all people are part of the same sacred life.   I think it's very positive that not everyone is the same.  The world is a boring place when every guy is macho and every girl is a girly-girl.  People should be allowed to be themselves.  Suppression of expression equals depression.  We should encourage others to become who they are and embrace the strength of living in a society of a union made from unique individuals.

 
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