Topic : 10/29 Gender Confused Children

 First, you totally overlooked the point that the two articles in question were about 100% physically female women who were born that way being treated like they were men, or possibly FtoM transsexuals, and having their legal identification totally ignored.

In other words, someone who has done nothing wrong, isn't telling anyone they are the opposite sex, in possession of legal documents that give them the right to be there- yet still they were harassed because someone decided without any factual information that they were committing some kind of offense...all based on gender stereotypes-stereotypes that fundamentalists and bigots claim are "God's will", while turning around and using them against people who are exactly as God created them.

Secondly, what state do you live in? I ask because in most places there is no such law as you describe, and people get along just fine- in fact, in San Diego there was a case in the 90's where a male attorney sued the city over their policy of allowing women in men's rooms at the stadium, complaining that a woman had used a men's room at a concert  when the ladies room line was too long, and sued based on exactly the same kind of arguments that women use against men in so-called "women's spaces"- that he was offended and embarrassed, that it was an invasion of men's space, that she had no business there, and that because of all that and the fact that he could find no men's rooms without women in them, he suffered physical distress as well because he couldn't pee next to them- and the case was thrown out of court and he was fined $2000 for filing s frivolous lawsuit.

I would like to actually research this law you speak of,  because just from a practical standpoint such a law would be largely unenforceable without breaking other laws regarding personal privacy and equal application of the law...I seriously doubt that all women entering the restroom are physically checked for female genitalia before being allowed to enter, but according to many here on this board and in society in general that is the ONLY factor that decides if a person is a woman or not.

As for federal law mandating unisex bathrooms, that isn't necessary at all, and neither is a law mandating that no person of one sex can enter a bathroom assigned to another sex.

If anything we need a law that allows people who need to go to the bathroom- a basic need and right- to do so and not be prosecuted for it if they do just that and aren't there to harm, attack or harass anyone, regardless of the bathroom they use. It comes down to being a matter of sexual discrimination, because practically speaking the whole notion that it is a problem is based on the idea that men are as a group inherently dangerous simply because they are men...as evidenced by the lawsuit I described above, when the same standard is applied to women in men's spaces and a man complains, it is treated as a joke or worse.

This flies in the face of the equal protection principles of the constitution, not to mention common decency and compassion.

Once again, you are not comprehending what you are reading.  I took that article from the site and posted it here, they were not my words.  

 

 " Most people want to know why transgender people are the way they are. Most people assume that there were family life problems growing up, like a lack of a father figure. Or perhaps trans people are simply confused. Well, more and more research is being done to determine the causes of gender and sexuality in the brain and genetics. Some of the findings are starting to point to a real medical reasoning instead of societal.

     One of the first of the recent studies was done by a Dr. Swaab of the Netherlands. He took post-mortem brains (PLURAL-meaning MORE THAN ONE) and examined them slice by slice for differences in males and females. Eventually he came across one. (The meaning of the word ONE is not one brain, but he finally found a DIFFERENCE).  He discovered a region of the brain called "the central subdivision of the bed nucleus of the stria terminalis" or BSTc for short. It's a tiny structure in the hypothalamus of the brain that seems to be linked to our gender identity. This section is bigger in men than it is in women by about 44 percent. The amazing thing he's found is that in male-to-female transsexuals, the BSTc has female size, and in female-to-male transsexuals, it has male size. The size of this structure in the brain doesn't seem to be affected by hormonal changes, aside from perhaps during fetal development.  This research suggests that gender is determined in the brain pre-natally."     from Translife.net

 

I thank you very much for making the point that the investigation of genetics, gonads, genitalia or homone level of a transexual has no, so far, produced any results that explain their status, at the same time ignoring what he DID find in the brain.  This research is just starting to take place on a larger scale, in the past, the money just was not there.  No one yet knows what all our genes do, they are still finding out new things all the time. The human DNA code is a 3 billion letter code.  That allows for a huge number of variations in people. 

 

My personal concern is not the science, I did not need science to tell me who I was.  My concern is for the young people now, the ones who are going through this and their families.  I don't want to hear any more stories of the senseless deaths of innocent people like Gwen Araujo or Matthew Shepard, who were murdered for trying to be who they are. 

That is an extremely good example of Society will upon an individual. I was agreeing that the situation was grossly mishandled.

 

      In my State, it is a felony for the a gender whether male or female to enter the opposite gender's restroom or locker room.

      Should there be a Federal Standard that turns all restrooms and locker room's unisex? Here I am asking a question if and where this topic would apply without breaking this law in my resident State.

     

      I would have to double check, but there are Felony convictions in my state that will foreban a person for voting. I'm presently unsure if this Felony is one of them or not, but it additionally adds conflict to the State's Constitution. It would have to enter the Federal law to supercede a State law under the superioty clause of the US Constitution for the US Supreme Court precident to come into play. Here I am mentioning that in my resident State certain Felonies do disqualify a person the ability to vote. As well as the Superiority Clause that state Federal laws always win against City or State laws that conflict with Federal law. Without a Federal Standard, it will be a question if the State has its own superiority laws that a City/Local ordinance conflicts with.

 

      Too bad, this wasn't my state of residence that bouncer would be facing a felony charge.

     I live in Ohio at the moment. I discovered this law when I worked for a Fitness Gym, and management made it absolutely clear that a previous worker who was a male who followed a woman into the woman's restroom and then the locker room were charged with Felony charges. I hope you have better luck; than, I did researching it.

     

      I completely agree that those articles are extremely good examples of society forcing its will upon an individual. Under the law, I'm referring to. In Ohio, the bounce would be charged with a felony for entering the woman's restroom.

 

     I saw a parallel here because of the sexuality divide that may play a subconscious role in those who believe that genetial is the sole determination of a person's gender. Your assessment would shatter that divide and adequately maintained protection under the law.

Ummm.. yep, OK. ;-)  

Please, you are a confused man living as a woman.  You are not a lesbian.  Do you know the definition of a lesbian.  It is a homosexual woman.  You are not a woman!  Again, why would you change your physical gender just to be with a woman?

I noticed the main childs mother Melissa was obese.  I think her lack of discipline in her own life is transferred over to her child.  She doesn't know how to take care of herself.  She hasn't learned to say no to over indulgence and yes to self discipline.  Melissa lacks proper parently skills.  When she lost her cool and raised her voice with the Focus on the family member Glenn Stanton it became very clear that she lacks self control.  Therefore she'd encourage that type of behavior in her own child.

 

I think the family is out of control and in desparate need of counseling.  This child needs more than they can offer.  One more thing.  That kid was coached word by word by his mother.   I feel anger towards her for ruining her own life by over eating and now cheating her son out of a normal childhood

This sure is a big issue, and I don't have the answers for the issue at large, but I was struck by something I noticed during Dr. Phil's interview with the child featured on the show.  When Dr. Phil asked "her" what was special about her, she didn't answer that she was a good student, or a great dancer; she didn't give an answer that most kids her age would give.  She went into the whole big hoopala about her issue.  That's what makes her "special".   I'm not so sure that she has a "gender" identity issue; maybe it's just an "identity" issue.  It seems to me that she gets an awful lot of attention just by being confused.  I also noticed that during the initial snippets of her introduction, while she was in her room, her movements and expressions were somewhat exaggerated; I bet if you cut her loose she could be a real ham.  I'm not saying that this is true for everyone, and I'm not dismissing that gender identity is a real concern for other people, but it seems like there sure is a payoff in parental attention for this particular kid.

God does not make mistakes? What about...

• babies that are born with their intestines on the outside of their bodies
• babies that are born with BOTH sets of genitailia or internal sex organs
• babies that are born with no genitailia
• babies born missing a limb, blind, or deaf
• babies born with down syndrome, cerebral palsy, or a seizure disorder
• babies born with an extra chromozone or genetic abnormality

Are you saying that God INTENDS for all of these children to be born with these conditions. These are just a few of the plethera of complications that a child can be born with. Why is it so hard to believe that the gender of the brain and the body could be mismatched? Gender Identity is another medical issue that may or may not require surgery to correct, it has nothing to do with God making a mistake.

Of course  the show would run video of the child talking about this issue. That is what the show was about. There might be video of the child in many other situations and discussing any number of topics, or just having good childish fun, but that was not the focus of the program so that video discussing being transgender was what needed to be shown.

Having lived through this as a child myself, and who did not have the sort of loving and caring parent that the girl had, I can tell you from first hand experience that this child was probably saved a lot of grief in her life because the mother took the time to get assistance and to learn herself what was going on. This, in turn, gave the mother the ability to help her child to understand the dichotomy taking place inside her brain, and could have ultimately saved her young daughters life.

I only wish I had a parent like that. I only wish I had even known there was a term like transgender when I was at that age, but the term had not even been invented yet and was certainly not something that anyone talked about with their kids. For me, I simply learned very early that I had to hide all this from everyone. I shut down my childhood completely so that I would not make any mistake and be found out by those types of people who would not understand who I was. I lost my childhood because of my hidden gender identity. This young child has had her childhood given back to her. What a wonderful gift! You should embrace this mother, not condemn her.

Michelle