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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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angry
January 13, 2009, 1:06 pm PST

Why is this always a two way argument?

Everywhere I see the transgendered argument it is two reasons.

1.) It's the parents' fault, they need to guide the child properly.

2.) It is a medical disorder; an imbalance in horomones.

Why does no one seem to look at the obvious? The Media.

Look at the two stereo types:
A boy must play with cars and dinosaurs, he wears shorts and pants and like dark neutral colors.

A girl must play with baby dolls, barbies, and kitchen sets, she wear skirts and dresses and likes bright pastel colors.

Who the hell decided these? If a human was born in the wild, unexposed to the media and market would they have some uncanny calling to a toy car or a barbie doll? NO.Those are man made products that are marketed to specific genders. There is no natural right for a child to play with a pissing baby doll or a dinosaur.

Hence I blame the media and all the cliches that come with it. If a boy wants to play with a doll, though it may be rather taboo, then who is to say he is sick in the head?

I am not condoning medical disorders and parental guidance edging children in the wrong direction. After all a mother wanting a female daughter could be enthralled that their male child likes pink and may take it too far. And vice versa. And of course horomonal imbalances exist and do occur.

My point is, someone look at these stereotypes and how they destroy a child's opportunities.

As a child I played with dinosaurs and cars, I never wore dresses and I rejected baby dolls. I did not turn out as transgendered child, nor a lesbian not even a bisexual. I just fancied those above what my stereotype demanded; and no medical disorder was diagnosed.
 
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January 13, 2009, 1:07 pm PST

Show Was Too Slanted - Toni was out of line

My husband have this debate all the time.  I believe that this is the way children are born, and my husband feels it's environmental (due to what the child is exposed to) that could lead to GID and/or homosexuality.   While I get Toni's point that you don't know unless you go through it, I still didn't like the fact that she was so defensive and refused to hear what the other doctors were saying.  It was rude, if you ask me.  You can't always respond based on how you feel.  Hell, I don't feel like going to work every day, but I know if I want to eat and keep a roof over my head, I better get up and do my job.  Even if she didn't want to hear it...ummm...excuse me Dr. Phil, there are others in your audience who did want to hear.  So, here's an idea...have another show with Dr. Seigel and some children/adults who were successful at transitioning OUT of GID.   I just didn't like the fact that you had Toni there who could speak from her point of reference on why accepting the child's desire is best, but there was no one there who could speak from their own experience on why therapy was right and succsessful for them. 
 
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January 13, 2009, 1:10 pm PST

What is the big damn deal?

I'm sitting at home watching today's episode of Dr. Phil, and I honestly cannot believe what I'm seeing and hearing. Knowing that people like those two idiots sitting to the right of Dr. Phil still exist in our society today is absolutely mind boggling. I mean, what they're saying is that when these children are experiencing a gender identity crisis, they basically need to be disenfranchised with the mother, and set up soley with the father, if even for a time. If a child is confused about ANYTHING, the worst thing you could do to them is take them away from their parent, whether it's their mother OR their father. I don't know, but that just seems ludicrous to me. And in all honesty, I would NEVER allow my child to be seperated from me, during a time when they're going through a personal crisis, and to be spoon fed bunk like, "homosexuality is unnatural, and little boys are not allowed to play with dolls." GIVE ME A BREAK!

The bottom line here, people, is that we need to learn how to be more accepting of the people around us, ESPECIALLY of our children. As parents, we are the only people in the world that they have, and to turn our backs on them by saying that what they might be feeling is just a phase or some type of disorder is utterly disingenuous. We need to respect and support the paths that our children choose for themselves, and offer enough moral guidance to them so that they'll be able to make informed decisions and hopefully establish a moral compass of their own. Bombarding our children with these archaic and intolerant notions are the reasons that they feel and are treated like outcasts.

MY children will be whoever and whatever they want. All that I ask of them is that they accept and treat every life with equality and respect.
 

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frustrated
January 13, 2009, 1:21 pm PST

Little Boy Lost

Hello  Dr. Phil

                             Regarding your show (   little  lost  boy  )  I feel  that  one  important  issue that does not

get  brought up  is this    I was a step father for many years and the one thing that would really P-- me off

is the my ex-wife would always talk about issues when her son was in the next room, and I would ask her

to please lower your voice cause Justin is in the other room and even thought hes playing play station he

is listening to every word  SO CAN PARENTS BE CAREFULL OF THEIR CONVERSATION WHEN KIDS ARE AROUND  ,     Also  when the kids today can watch  whats on TV  These days and C'mon I dont think

all parents monitor what the kids watch on TV  Like  the   L. WORD  Or  others like  Bev...9210  and most

important when you  see  teenage kids at  march  break  down in  mexico  or las vegas  and  the girls show their  Breast,  and you see them kissing each other  shows  like    Girls  gone  wild   and   wild planet

( I think ? )   anyhow  it's seems like anything goes  Mmmm  one  day  I like girls  then the next day  I like  boys.    On  these  show you dont see guy's showing their body parts and kissing one another  SO WHAT

IS IT ABOUT THESE TEENAGE  GIRLS  WHO LIKE SHOWING THEIR BOOBS AND KISSING EACH OTHER.    So  if  you get  a child  who gets  exposed to such television no wonder they grow up to be confused about their sexuality  cause  my step son would watch these show at his dad place and again

parents need to be carefull what they talk about when the children are around   MOST IMPORTANT

 

Thanks    Frank 

 
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January 13, 2009, 1:23 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Unless you are the parent of a transgendered ,gay,lesbain child, have no idea what you are talking about. The mother on this show has all the right to be angry with the 2 who think its  choice. It is not a choice. I am the mother of a gay son who is now 32 . I always knew he was differant. he did not come out til he was in his 20's . His father was not in the picture but he did have my dad as a father figure. To say a mom is to close to her son and watchout you are making him gay or whatever is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard .His father was a drug addict and a drunk and now is dead. Is that what he should have hung around with to see if we could fix the "problem" . I think not . This world would be such a better place if you all would have accept people for who they are and don't try to change things when you have no idea what you're talking about. Unless you have walked the walk  you havn't got a clue what we have to deal with everyday. I love my son no matter what
that is so wrong unless you go through this you have no clue i am 47 yrs old with three children and my 23 old daughter came out of the closet a yr ago she is the first one in our family that i know of that is this way she had a good up bringing went to church was a straight a honor roll student so this thinking of you so called drs have no clue do some  morere search
 
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January 13, 2009, 1:24 pm PST

No Control on Dr. Phil!

Watching todays show had me so frustrated and a bit angry that I had to send a message. The mother of this confused boy has every right to be emotional but why didn't  ANYONE ask her to let the experts speak? I would be suprised if they ever wanted to come back to the show. She was arrogant and rude to the Dr.s that Dr. Phil ask to be on the panel.

  As far as I am concerned there are merits to both sides. When my daughter was about 13 she came to me and said she thought she was gay. I had a feeling this was coming and accepted it with love and assured her that no matter what she is I would always love her. She is now in a wonderful relationship with a very nice MAN. It was a confusing time in her life and that was all. It was never acted on.

  I am raising my grand daughter due to the death of my oldest daughter. At 2 and 3 yrs. old she adored Transformers and playing with cars. Everyone was worried about this. I bought the toys she liked at the time. She is now 4 and loves Barbies and dressing up!

 Now I realise there are cases that won't go this way but I think Toni could have benefited a bit if she had quit talking and done some listening. I was very suprised that Dr. Phil let things get out of hand like that and even defended her behavior. My heart does go out to her because it has to be very hard to deal with but never say your child has died. That is one thing she does no nothing about.

 
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January 13, 2009, 1:25 pm PST

A rather offended high school student

I know I'm not of the usual age to be writing about something like this, but I can't help but feel strongly about such a situation.

 

This Dr. Nicolosi speaks of homosexuality as though it's a virus that needs to be cured and as being a lesbian myself I feel I need to speak out. I do agree with Toni's point of completely supporting ones child with their decisions regarding sexuality, personality, as well as religious and political views and if her son is uncomfortable with masculinity and believes he belongs elsewhere, then a psychiatrist is hardly necessary, especially not your 'treatment' as you so eloquently put it. However, I'm not so keen on how she speaks to these men, as wrong as they are.

 

Homosexuality as well as transgenderism is not a cancer, nor is it something that needs to be 'treated' and I particularly resent such medical terms as 'Gender Confusion DISORDER'. I really don't think Toni's child confused at all, in fact, she's more certain than most heterosexual teenagers are about most things.

 

I only wish that society didn't immediately turn to Catholicism or Christianity when dealing with homosexuals, bisexuals or transgenders. Claiming that 'God made you the way you should be' and that 'everything he does is for a reason'. For an Atheist, this can only prove more troublesome and another reason for the resentment of religion.

 

I know I'm only a teenager, but age should not have everything to do with respectability, or at least that's how I feel. I only hope that my views are given a chance and I appreciate that I'm able to speak my mind regardless of age.

 

In any case, I thank you for paying attention to a slightly irritated adolescent.

 

 

 

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January 13, 2009, 1:32 pm PST

wow

not a shocker that Americans shouldn't be reproducing anymore....  I'm 29 and no, I don't have kids... but this show totally shocked me.  Since when does an ADULT listen to a 2 year old boy that says they are a little girl??  are you kidding me?? that is an adult decision that I will respect when my kid is 18 but seriously... come on.  If your 2 year old told you "oh hey mom, I'm thinking I need a couple tats and piercings, can you help me out?" are you gonna listen to that as well??? 
 
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January 13, 2009, 1:34 pm PST

Disappointed

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I think that the way Toni acted on the show was wrong. To disrespect the others was not the way to get her story out there. I wish the other Doctor would have had more of a chance to speak so we could understand their points and not just Toni's
Touche!!  She was totally inappropriate.
 
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sad
January 13, 2009, 1:34 pm PST

helping children

I am sad for the lady who was on your show today as she is so angry and hurting.  I pray she will find the help she and her family need and find true peace and joy as they and everyone deserve to have in their lives.  She displayed a lot of anger at these men and felt judged by them without ever getting to know them  Possibly she has been deeply hurt by someone and was reliving that pain when she met these men.  This is very sad and she deserves to experience healing and forgiveness so she can move forward from this.  I was disappointed today that you did not give both sides equal opportunity to share their ideas and information to help those out there who are hurting. I am sure there are many parents who really need help and deserved to hear both sides.  The Christian men were portrayed as being judgemental and were not given a fair chance to explain how they have helped many people.  Why didn't you have someone that has been helped by their methods as well as having the guest today who is receiving the secular help?  The man & woman on the coach with your guest mother expressed their views openly and also stated what they thought the other 2 men were saying or techniques they were using to help others.  When they said this was not correct and that was not how they were helping others you never gave them the chance to clarify this and clear up the miscommunication that was being stated against them.  This was very disappointing today as there are so many who need help and could have had more information to help them.  I was very sadly surprised and disappointed to see you handle the program this way today. 
 
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