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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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January 13, 2009, 2:56 pm PST

Loving the Way We Were Born

If we could all be diagnosed with that Gender Confused Disorder just because we werent raised right and wanted to live our Own Tainted World. Wearing the opposite sex's clothes and claiming the opposite and wanted to change the way we look and feel. We would be plastic in a sort of perspective. Who are we to say that our children or child is the opposite sex is OKAY. And also in the bible it says to "Respect and Honor thy Parents". The Children should live under the wings of the parent and inside the House of the Lord. Getting children involded in church can build abundent in well placed moral also it builds character for the individual that the Lord blessed upon them. Why not have Boy/Girl Cyborg living with you as a child its OUTRAGOUS. Where are we to expect to end up after this toxined society is putting in their children in radical mind corupption lifestyle. I absurdly Sickened with this CARE GIVER I dont consider her as a mother. Due to the fact that emotional and lack of virtues of the way of the Good Book. I am a stronger believer in the Word of the Lord. I believe her heart was in the right mind of her Child's Wonderland and not in the Path of the Righteous.  
 
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January 13, 2009, 2:57 pm PST

frustrating show

I was frustrated watching this show.  I think this is an example of when a show should be done in two parts.  Too many experts, too many opinions, too many commercial breaks.  I didn't see the first show but judging by the recap, I had already decided I didn't like the focus on the family guys.  But then I wanted to hear what they do.  I actually like to hear both sides of the story and in this case, we didn't get to hear both.  I think in our society today we are all so conditioned to accept everything.  Accept all behavior, all conditions.  I never even thought there might be therapy for this.  I would actually like to hear their success stories.  It didn't sound like they simply force boys to play with trucks.  I wonder if the mom (Tony?) had heard of this option years ago if she might have tried it.  I wanted to hear more about how only 15% of kids with gender confusion issues still live as the opposite (opposite as in genital opposite) sex as adults.

I have too many questions.  Oh and as a side note, the Focus on the Family guys seemed a bit fruity to me.

 

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January 13, 2009, 2:57 pm PST

What About the Child-Dr. Phil, you dropped the ball

I would ask, what about the child? If, as a parent, we are more mature than our children, and are to guide them, there has to be a place where we guide them to who they really are, and not what they think they may want. For instance, we guide our children away from just wanting to eat candy because we have the life experience to know that is not healthy. To think that there is no similar, moral component in guiding our children is to do our children a grave disservice, and really, we are not loving our children in doing so. This mother is clearly over-attached, and the child has not received the guidance he needs. Yes, the mother has feelings, at the same time, are those who disagree not due respect, that same respect that she wants from them? Dr. Phil, you did not present the other side, those who have dealt with this successfully. You also have not objectively given the same level of respect to those who disagree as with the mother. That is a disservice. What appears to be going on here is the promotion of a transgender lifestyle and will promote confusion in a huge way. Dr. Phil, you have really dropped the ball in promoting this.
 
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January 13, 2009, 2:58 pm PST

Very Dissappointed

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Hi Dr. Phil,

I have never done this before, but I do watch your show and have a lot of respect for you and Robin.  I also have a lot of respect for Focus on the Family and when I heard they were on today, I was looking forward to what would take place.  I'm saddened for Toni, who is mourning over her son who is now becoming a "girl"--but I was really upset at how she responded to Dr. Nicolosi and Glen in her sarcastic tone and was just thoroughly ugly to them.  I felt you should have stepped in and let them speak and share more about their practice.  We got to hear plainly about Dr. Seigel's course of treatment--I wish that the same fairness could have been displayed for Dr. N and Glen.  Not everyone has to agree with the same course of treatment and if you are really trying to present both sides fairly--I didn't see that today at all. 

Good afternoon, Dr. Phil,

 

After viewing today's episode I was angered to the point of posting a comment on your board--something that I had never considered doing before, as I typically believe that everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and also entitled to express it openly.  However, I felt extremely sorry for your GUESTS Dr. Nicolosi and Glen who were invited to be on your show in order to express their experiences and what they had learned from them.  No matter that their findings are obviously rooted in Christianity.  No matter that their perspective is not currently en vogue.  They were INVITED by you to provide a balanced perspective of the issue being discussed.  However, instead of an informative, professional discussion amongst experts, what was heard instead was an irrate, close-minded woman who did nothing but interject with her own opinions and emotional outbursts which were not grounded in years of study nor in numerous case experiences.  Her input was derived only from her own conflicted experience and story (I refer to the video clip in which she had said that she could never forgive herself for opposing her child's decision for so many years, and then on stage saying that her child's father had always been totally supportive of her son, and that his reaction had been "just like hers." )

 

I'm appalled that this woman was given free reign on camera and on microphones.  A scoffing, smirking woman does not very well support the message that was obviously single-mindedly the opinion of the audience and the program.  And I'm horrified that you, as the host, would allow the ruthless bashing of two of your guests who were simply doing as you had invited them to do.  Perhaps in the future you could remove the guise of equal voice and expression, and have the one-sided discussion desired without humiliating two men who were simply attempting to present another theory, another option, and another voice.

 

Kudos to Dr. Nicolosi and Glen for truly being gentlemen and wonderful Christian examples of how to maintain composure and turn the other cheek.

 
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January 13, 2009, 2:59 pm PST

Let the child give it a try.

I completely agree with the mother.  I  believe that parents should raise their children to be what they want to be and not what the parents want them to be. The boy is going to rebel and do what he pleases anyway. Why fight him over it and help destroy his life and make him unhappy all of the time. There certainly is an age at when the boy could make this decision on his own. 2 or 4 years old is definetly too young to know if he wants to be a girl or not, but it's a sign of their true identity. I think the mom most definetly made the right decision in supporting her. If it is just a phase, then that is what it will be. When she gets to the age to really know and understand the difference and make the choice on who she wants to be, she should be able to confidently make that choice. 18 is just a number and not necessarily magic. She will know when the right time to make the decision is. Life will be much happier with her mother supporting her in all of her decisions. Let her be herself. We were all allowed the same priviledge.
 
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January 13, 2009, 2:59 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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My name is Dylan and im 20 years old. I was born female, but i am transsexual. I know without a doubt that there is nothing female about me besides my body. To be honest, i dont think that people that have not experienced this have any idea how this stuff works. It doesnt matter if youre a psychologist or not. You can have hours of training on hormone therapy, etc etc etc. But no matter how they try to "explain" the ways its not possible, they have no idea. People dont understand. When someone is trans, you know without a doubt that you dont fit your body. I have seen a therapist for this, and ive now been on testosterone (hormone therapy) for 9 months now. For the FIRST TIME in my life, i actually feel really comfortable with myself. My whole life growing up i was sheltered. I definitely had a much closer relationship with my mother than my father, however i still had a relationship with them both. My parents have been married about 25 years, i have a 21 year old brother. My parents have never seperated, nothing like that. A lot of people believe that something happened in my childhood with a man or something that made me this way. Thats not true by any means. Nobody ever touched me inappropriately, i never had an unhealthy relationship with a man, or woman for that matter. I was homeschooled until 6th grade and then was in a private (baptist) school until 10th grade. my sophomore - senior years i did attend a public school. But my whole life ive been different. I was VERY tomboy my whole life. i hated everything feminine. Hated dresses, never once wore makeup, never played with barbies. I didnt like it. When i played house with my friends, i insisted on being "daddy" because that was what i was comfortable with. I never felt comfortable in my female body. When i hit puberty and my body developed, i had a hard time looking myself in the mirror because i just didnt fit. For a long time i identified as lesbian, but even then i was not comfortable. I was very "butch" but still couldnt be comfortable with myself. When i started seeing a therapist for my transition, everything finally started feeling right. I only attended therapy 3 months before i started hormone therapy, because i knew it was what i had to do to be comfortable in my own body. It's the only thing that made me happy. 9 months on testosterone, and you would never know i was born female. I am pre-op. no surgeries thus far, mainly because i am still young and dont have the money at this point in my life for it. However, my goal for 2009 is to have my top surgery completed, if not both. I live my life as a straight male. I have a very supporting girlfriend, as well as my friends who i have adopted as my family. My parents dont accept the change. I'm the baby and the only female born child they had. Ive lost almost my whole relationship with both parents. We still talk on occasion, but it hurts me desperately that i wont be able to take the girl i love home to my parents. I do intend to have a family one day. I want a child or two that i can father. I want to be a daddy one day. But unless my parents can begin to accept my transition, ill never let them meet their grandchildren. And that kills me. It hurts that my parents and brother (even extended family) cant be a part of MY family because they wont accept my transition. I think the mother accepting her daughter as just that is amazing. That child needs all the support she can get because the world, like those doctors, and many of the people reading and writing on this board, cant accept them. I've known more than one transgendered person to commit suicide because of the way they are treated. I dont understand what is so hard about accepting a person for who they really are. If someone met me on the streets, you would have no idea that i was born female. There is nothing female about me, other than my legal documents saying so and my body that i have not yet corrected. I got so emotional, yelling at the tv, watching this episode of dr phil. Maybe some kids do go through a phase. But i know that not everybody does. If a persons gender identity does not align with their sex, they should be able to correct it so they can be as comfortable with themselves as everybody else. Just because most people out there are lucky enough to have their gender and sex align does not mean all of us do. I will never be comfortable in a female body, and i know many more like myself that have to stand by me and support me because so many others ridicule and dont understand.

 

I personally want to thank the mother of this girl for accepting and supporting her. Always stick with it, no matter what people say. Your child needs you now more than she will ever express. And for the others out there that agree, for those whose gender and sex do align, but support those of us that dont, thank you.

 

Without support from outsiders, it would be much harder for someone like myself to transition. It's not an easy thing to live with. But it's something i have to do for myself, something that MUST be done in order for me to live my life comfortably. To live my life at all.

Thank you.

 

For any others debating their gender identity, find a therapist in your area that deals with hormone therapies. sit down and talk to someone. They will help you. So many therapists and psychologists specialize in these areas. There are books out there... There are websites. Myspace has groups for people to meet and talk. for support. I'm in a couple groups on myspace myself. Without the support of my brothers there, it would have been hard to do. People can help you find resources in your area....

 

And Dr Phil, thank you for addressing this. I believe its an issue that is not touched nearly enough in our society today. I can only hope and pray that the world will become more accepting as time goes on.

-Dylan (Dallas, Tx)

im sorry you do not have the support from your family. i think its couragous of you to do what you need to do to be comfortable with your self and i think thats a right we have as people. 
 

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January 13, 2009, 3:01 pm PST

GUEST WAS RUDE......

I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW RUDE TONI WAS ON THE SHOW......... I THINK SHE WAS THE RUDEST GUEST I HAVE EVER SEEN ON DR PHIL SHOW...... SHE HAD EVERY RIGHT TO HAVE HER OWN OPINION, BUT SHE IS FAR FROM A PROFESSIONAL, AND I FEEL LIKE SHE OVER-STEPPED HER BOUNDS WHEN SHE CUT OFF THOSE DOCTORS, TOLD THEM THEY WERE WRONG, AND THEY DID NOT KNOW.  SHE SOUNDS LIKE A BITTER, KNOW-IT-ALL, WHO CANNOT LISTEN TO ANY ONE ELSE'S OPINION OR HEAR ANYTHING THAT IS NOT HER OPINION......... HOW SAD FOR THAT CHILD.
 

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January 13, 2009, 3:01 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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you are so right. people are just letting the devil of this world get into their minds to make them think at a young age that they are something they are not. it is sad. very sad. i feel so sorry for these people.
I agree. Dr. Phil, having TD Jakes on one show, and the next doing this? I'm disappointed to say the least.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:02 pm PST

Little Lost Boy

I have 1 daughter and 3 sons. I was close to each of my children and their father was not. My youngest son showed signs that made me concerned that he would be "gay" when he grew up. He played with dolls and only played with the neighborhood girls never the boys. I say concerned but maybe that is too strong a word. It would be more correct to say that I thought about it some. I didn't try to fix him or make him stop doing anything. He is now 21 years old and has had 5 different girl friends so I guess that things turned out in the desireable way. Maybe the more attention that you give an issue the more it becomes an issue. I'm not suggesting that you ignore everything your kids do but maybe some things aren't as important as others.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:02 pm PST

Yeah Toni

Toni is doing the right thing, allowing her child to be who she is, rather than forcing her into a mold in which she does not fit.  The focus on the family group allows their theology to corrupt their view of science.  I wish Toni and all of her family the best.  It is better for Toni  to have a healthy daughter rather than to risk losing her child to suicide.
 
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