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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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January 13, 2009, 3:15 pm PST

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My name is Dylan and im 20 years old. I was born female, but i am transsexual. I know without a doubt that there is nothing female about me besides my body. To be honest, i dont think that people that have not experienced this have any idea how this stuff works. It doesnt matter if youre a psychologist or not. You can have hours of training on hormone therapy, etc etc etc. But no matter how they try to "explain" the ways its not possible, they have no idea. People dont understand. When someone is trans, you know without a doubt that you dont fit your body. I have seen a therapist for this, and ive now been on testosterone (hormone therapy) for 9 months now. For the FIRST TIME in my life, i actually feel really comfortable with myself. My whole life growing up i was sheltered. I definitely had a much closer relationship with my mother than my father, however i still had a relationship with them both. My parents have been married about 25 years, i have a 21 year old brother. My parents have never seperated, nothing like that. A lot of people believe that something happened in my childhood with a man or something that made me this way. Thats not true by any means. Nobody ever touched me inappropriately, i never had an unhealthy relationship with a man, or woman for that matter. I was homeschooled until 6th grade and then was in a private (baptist) school until 10th grade. my sophomore - senior years i did attend a public school. But my whole life ive been different. I was VERY tomboy my whole life. i hated everything feminine. Hated dresses, never once wore makeup, never played with barbies. I didnt like it. When i played house with my friends, i insisted on being "daddy" because that was what i was comfortable with. I never felt comfortable in my female body. When i hit puberty and my body developed, i had a hard time looking myself in the mirror because i just didnt fit. For a long time i identified as lesbian, but even then i was not comfortable. I was very "butch" but still couldnt be comfortable with myself. When i started seeing a therapist for my transition, everything finally started feeling right. I only attended therapy 3 months before i started hormone therapy, because i knew it was what i had to do to be comfortable in my own body. It's the only thing that made me happy. 9 months on testosterone, and you would never know i was born female. I am pre-op. no surgeries thus far, mainly because i am still young and dont have the money at this point in my life for it. However, my goal for 2009 is to have my top surgery completed, if not both. I live my life as a straight male. I have a very supporting girlfriend, as well as my friends who i have adopted as my family. My parents dont accept the change. I'm the baby and the only female born child they had. Ive lost almost my whole relationship with both parents. We still talk on occasion, but it hurts me desperately that i wont be able to take the girl i love home to my parents. I do intend to have a family one day. I want a child or two that i can father. I want to be a daddy one day. But unless my parents can begin to accept my transition, ill never let them meet their grandchildren. And that kills me. It hurts that my parents and brother (even extended family) cant be a part of MY family because they wont accept my transition. I think the mother accepting her daughter as just that is amazing. That child needs all the support she can get because the world, like those doctors, and many of the people reading and writing on this board, cant accept them. I've known more than one transgendered person to commit suicide because of the way they are treated. I dont understand what is so hard about accepting a person for who they really are. If someone met me on the streets, you would have no idea that i was born female. There is nothing female about me, other than my legal documents saying so and my body that i have not yet corrected. I got so emotional, yelling at the tv, watching this episode of dr phil. Maybe some kids do go through a phase. But i know that not everybody does. If a persons gender identity does not align with their sex, they should be able to correct it so they can be as comfortable with themselves as everybody else. Just because most people out there are lucky enough to have their gender and sex align does not mean all of us do. I will never be comfortable in a female body, and i know many more like myself that have to stand by me and support me because so many others ridicule and dont understand.

 

I personally want to thank the mother of this girl for accepting and supporting her. Always stick with it, no matter what people say. Your child needs you now more than she will ever express. And for the others out there that agree, for those whose gender and sex do align, but support those of us that dont, thank you.

 

Without support from outsiders, it would be much harder for someone like myself to transition. It's not an easy thing to live with. But it's something i have to do for myself, something that MUST be done in order for me to live my life comfortably. To live my life at all.

Thank you.

 

For any others debating their gender identity, find a therapist in your area that deals with hormone therapies. sit down and talk to someone. They will help you. So many therapists and psychologists specialize in these areas. There are books out there... There are websites. Myspace has groups for people to meet and talk. for support. I'm in a couple groups on myspace myself. Without the support of my brothers there, it would have been hard to do. People can help you find resources in your area....

 

And Dr Phil, thank you for addressing this. I believe its an issue that is not touched nearly enough in our society today. I can only hope and pray that the world will become more accepting as time goes on.

-Dylan (Dallas, Tx)

that is an amazing story, Its great your able to be who you are.  No one should judge you or anyone else no matter what.    I have 2 gay brother although they arent considering being a female.  Both my parents have always accpeted them for being who they are and not letting other peoples stupidity get to them.. So of the people on this board are raising judgmental kids that will one day grow up to be judgmental, ignoriant adults.  This world needs no more of that.     How about teaching are children to get to know someone before you decide what they are or not suppose to be.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:15 pm PST

Bless this poor mom's heart!

I just needed to stop to share my frustration for this poor mom who is on the show discussing a very difficult topic for her and her family and sweet child. There are a couple of self righteous, arrogant, self centered men who are talking about something based on their belief systems, not science or facts. They say they have success, I would love to hear the true feelings and thoughts of some of the children who have been "changed" by their tactics. Who wants to be "changed"? Who do they think they are telling this mother all of the wrong things she's done and what a bad job she has done parenting? Any parent out there who has had any struggle with a child, has to be screaming right now!!!! I have to tell this mother that I am sorry that you have had such a struggle and I am amazed at your strength and dedication as a mother.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:17 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Has anyone considered the fact that gender (not to be confused with sex, sexual identity..different) is socially constucted.  All across the world, gender is NOT defined by genitals, in some cultures.  The culture in which I live (I am a white, middle class, 43 year old woman (biological)living in Akron, Ohio) insists that boys are blue and girls are pink.  ANY and all deviations are subject to intense scrutiny.  This idea that boys must do "boy things" and girls "girl things"  is as old an idea as "the rule of thumb"...if you don't know the genesis if this idea (rule of thumb) look it up, it is quite disturbing.   So, as a society, we tell human beings that feel that their gender and sex do not match that they have a disorder (GID)..shaming these people right from the start.  Why?  So that we can keep the good order to the world?  So that we are not threatened by someone who deviates from the norm?  It is time to openyour minds and hearts.  Time to stop judging people for differences.  As long as you do this you will never see just how similar you are to those that you judge.  I choose NOT to let social constructions mold my beliefs. 
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:17 pm PST

Children are not Born Gay

The mother on the that aired 1-13-2009 on kcbd channel 11. She made her child the way he is she bought him princess things when he was 2 years old. Instead of giving in she should have guided him to more appropriate things. Our children want things but they do not alway get what they want but what we know is best. The tail is waging the dog in that mothers case. Dr. Phil it is like this a child is grossly overwieght because they want to eat junk. The parent gives to them so thier fat. You have said a heathy eating environment leads to healthy eating. A healthy lifestyle environment will also lead to a healthy sexual identity. I have two boys there is no way they are getting princess stuff I am thier parent they are the child. No way my boys are getting girl stuff! They can cry thow fits. I will not buy it. That lady did she gave in. I am telling her to grow a parenting back bone. Children do not know what they are or who they are we must guide them.
 

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January 13, 2009, 3:17 pm PST

Transgender,Lesbians and Gays

I really need to touch on the "natural hetorosexual" comment that jerk made.......insisting that homosexuals are unnatural.........2009 right???? I thought for the most part we got over this......I need to say that both my girlfriend and I grew up in a very religious (catholic) home setting......and that if homosexuality or transgenderism is a CHOICE ....then well I would like to be living proof that it is not.......can one truly believe that growing up with a father that is sinfully religious (so religious it's practically a sin) forcing us to go to church every sunday drilling it into our heads that sex, drugs, and alcohol and HOMOSEXUALITY are sinful and abomonations......that I would CHOOSE TO BE GAY......no.....but I am........and I nor any shrink on this planet can change that.....just like Toni's daughter! To only imagine what has been going through her head as a young child.....at a very young age.....an age that I child shouldn't even understand the meaning......she told her mother that she rather die than live as a boy.....has to tell you something.....that is a very strong message to send and think of at an early age.....I just also want to commend Dr. Segal and Dr. Angello for sticking up for Toni and other families going through some simillar touchy subjects, because until this past year I too did not understand transgender Identification, even being a lesbian.....but I listened to those who wanted to explain it....and so should the other two guys on the other side of the couch.....btw for someone who claims to believe so deeply that heterosexuality is NATURAL.....did anyone else notice how much those two were cuddled up on that couch???

 

Good luck Toni I admire you as a mother believing and helping your daughter to the best of your ability!

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:18 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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I never miss a Dr. Phil show, and this is the first one I've watched where I felt so compelled to give my opinion about it. Usually I think Dr. Phil makes good judgment in handling his guests, but I definitely don't think so this time. That mother was over the top sarcastic and rude. How could she not know that this is how the show would go? If she feels so confident in her decision why be so defensive and feel so threatened that she wanted to leave the room? Mr. Stanton and Dr. Nicolosi did not get a fair opportunity to present their side. They were not treated with equal respect. Before they could even finish what they were trying to say they would get bombarded with sarcastic comments and ridiculous accusations. Everyone took that one thing they were able to get out, that boys attached to their mother could be more likely to display these tendencies, and went nuts on them before they could even present it further. Dr. Phil should have told that woman to calm the heck down and act civilized while those gentlemen could say what they had to say. No one said she had to agree, but not everyone is going to agree with her, so just chill for a minute. Shouldn't her issues with her drinking and other her 2 other children been addressed? And then Dr. Siegel gets more air time at the end of the show. Could this have been anymore one-sided? Not really.
 i would be guessing your not a parent.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:18 pm PST

what is this world coming too?

I was trying to watch the show today but unfortunately that Toni lady was too distracting. I could not believe how rude she was to the two PROFESSIONAL people who were simply trying to give their opinion on the show. They were not running her down in any way so why wouldn't she let them talk? It makes me angry to see that she cannot accept anyone else's viewpoint. Some people would have actually liked to hear what they had to say, but instead they were silenced by unfortunate rudeness. They were not directing their opinions to her, but instead the world. A lot of people actually agree with them and she should have accepted that fact. There are two sides to every story and just because she was on one side doesn't mean she has the right to be a total cow and prevent them from speaking at all. I agree with the doctor who said she is "highly emotional". It's too bad that we didn't get to hear their success stories and other psychological evidence. What the hell is this world coming to? Hormone therapy? What the hell? Who would be selfish enough to put their children through even more confusion? What the....? WOW I'm so mad.....
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:18 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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  I am married to a cross dresser. I have trouble dealing with this. He didn't tell me this until after our first child was born.  Then it became very difficult to be intimate because once he told me, he was very uninhibited and even took off what I had on and put it on himself during sex so he could climax.  I felt very unsexy, and was devastated.  How can i compete with my clothes? He would then have the guilt attacks and couldn't even face me. We have an understanding now. He has friends who do the same thing and he gets together with them 3-4 times a year.  I just don't want to see him when he is dressed as a woman.  I love him dearly but cannot endure intimacy with him. It is too painful for both of us.  He loves me too and I am sure he is not gay. But I do fear that some day he will decide to truly "cross over".  He says this is not that he wants to change his sex  but that he just feels more comfortable dressed as a woman. Is that possible?  Or is he still suffering from gender confusion? I know I have blinders on but its the best way I know to deal with this.

saw your message as I was replying to the gender confused kid an read yours.  Can I say from first hand knowlege and not from some book...  Your husband is a man and will always be a man...  He's kinky and not homosexual.  I have seen and know many cross dressing men who are all heterosexual males with wives they love worship and adore.  But the problem these men have is finding someone who can respect their choices and to love them just the same.

 

Your husband has issues because while you love him as the man you know, he's going to always have issues because he hurt you when giving you the knowlege that he cross dresses.  While I know you are hurting and intimacy is difficult, just know, he's not gender confused and what he's saying about being comfortable in woman clothes is true.  Non of this has anything to do with your relationship with him.  It was'nt anything you did or did'nt do, so you should have no guilt...Its not you.

 

Just love him as the man  you know, let him know how uncomfortable you feel about his dressing in front of you.  Allow him this kink which he should do outside the home.  You knowing about it and looking at it is two different things.  He has friends who no doubt are doing the same thing he is.  Just be openminded enough to allow it,  but not in your home.  Just try to understand him.  It will all work out in the end. 

 

If you'd like a friend to vent with, I'm here at goldiestreasures@yahoo.com

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:18 pm PST

transgender children

i was shocked throughout watching this show.  dr phil had 2 opposite-opinionated professionals describing how this mother did wrong in raising her son.  these 2 professionals outlined how she & her husband may have raised their son in the wrong way; a way in which caused him to be trans-gendered.  sounded to me as if mom & dad did everything possible to save this pained son.  dr phil, i dont know why you would have these 2 idiots on your show at this time.  this mother didnt need to hear the things wrong she may have done, but all the things they did do right.  mom actually said on your show  that she didnt come to hear the 2 idiots thoughts, but to find out what else she could continue to do.  if you re going to present a show about trans-gendered children, then have everyone possible you can ,to assist these families through this, im sure, very difficult time.   mom shouldnt have to defend herself or the decisions she & her spouse decided to take
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:19 pm PST

gender confused children

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WoW Dr Phil should have not let this rag of a woman go on and on without stopping her mouth.  I don't care what she has gone through, she has no respect for his show or the other guest.  She has such anger issues she needs to resolve herself.  She never shut up and I don't appreciate Dr. Phil letting her run on and on.  Shame on you Dr. Phil.   You should have let the Dr.s speak their mind and also their opinions.  The show ended up being about HER!  Why did you even let others on the show?  It wasn't a fair balance of anyone else but this nut cake of a mom.
I agree that Dr. Phil should not have allowed Tony to voice her disdain and disrespect for the drs. who believed a child should be helped to remain in his/her born gender.  I would like to have heard more of their theirapy procedures.  Her situation was to be pitied, but once we knew her opinion she shouldn't have been allowed so much time.  Dr. Phil himself would never have allowed someone to disrespect him that way.
 
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