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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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January 13, 2009, 3:39 pm PST

heterosexuality is natural!!!!

I don't understand how heterosexuality can be considered unnatural???? of course it is natural, When the earth was formed Men women were created and told to multiply and replenish the earth! Anyone who thinks that being with someone of the  same sex is natural is obviosly VERY confused! Their parts were not even made to fit together, which should tell you something. I was really angry with this show today, I don't feel that both sides had the equal amount of time to present their sides. In fact  many times recently I have felt that Dr. Phil has an agenda and does not present a fair case. I think I am done watching. This is sad to me becasue I used to really respect Dr Phil.  
 

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January 13, 2009, 3:40 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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If the male brain's nervous system remains female if there is no or not enough testosterone, what happens the other way. What happens to a girl's brain that wants to transform into a boy......thanx
From the research that I have done, it appears that it works the same way. The brain has more testerone that estrogen or progesteron.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:43 pm PST

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My name is Dylan and im 20 years old. I was born female, but i am transsexual. I know without a doubt that there is nothing female about me besides my body. To be honest, i dont think that people that have not experienced this have any idea how this stuff works. It doesnt matter if youre a psychologist or not. You can have hours of training on hormone therapy, etc etc etc. But no matter how they try to "explain" the ways its not possible, they have no idea. People dont understand. When someone is trans, you know without a doubt that you dont fit your body. I have seen a therapist for this, and ive now been on testosterone (hormone therapy) for 9 months now. For the FIRST TIME in my life, i actually feel really comfortable with myself. My whole life growing up i was sheltered. I definitely had a much closer relationship with my mother than my father, however i still had a relationship with them both. My parents have been married about 25 years, i have a 21 year old brother. My parents have never seperated, nothing like that. A lot of people believe that something happened in my childhood with a man or something that made me this way. Thats not true by any means. Nobody ever touched me inappropriately, i never had an unhealthy relationship with a man, or woman for that matter. I was homeschooled until 6th grade and then was in a private (baptist) school until 10th grade. my sophomore - senior years i did attend a public school. But my whole life ive been different. I was VERY tomboy my whole life. i hated everything feminine. Hated dresses, never once wore makeup, never played with barbies. I didnt like it. When i played house with my friends, i insisted on being "daddy" because that was what i was comfortable with. I never felt comfortable in my female body. When i hit puberty and my body developed, i had a hard time looking myself in the mirror because i just didnt fit. For a long time i identified as lesbian, but even then i was not comfortable. I was very "butch" but still couldnt be comfortable with myself. When i started seeing a therapist for my transition, everything finally started feeling right. I only attended therapy 3 months before i started hormone therapy, because i knew it was what i had to do to be comfortable in my own body. It's the only thing that made me happy. 9 months on testosterone, and you would never know i was born female. I am pre-op. no surgeries thus far, mainly because i am still young and dont have the money at this point in my life for it. However, my goal for 2009 is to have my top surgery completed, if not both. I live my life as a straight male. I have a very supporting girlfriend, as well as my friends who i have adopted as my family. My parents dont accept the change. I'm the baby and the only female born child they had. Ive lost almost my whole relationship with both parents. We still talk on occasion, but it hurts me desperately that i wont be able to take the girl i love home to my parents. I do intend to have a family one day. I want a child or two that i can father. I want to be a daddy one day. But unless my parents can begin to accept my transition, ill never let them meet their grandchildren. And that kills me. It hurts that my parents and brother (even extended family) cant be a part of MY family because they wont accept my transition. I think the mother accepting her daughter as just that is amazing. That child needs all the support she can get because the world, like those doctors, and many of the people reading and writing on this board, cant accept them. I've known more than one transgendered person to commit suicide because of the way they are treated. I dont understand what is so hard about accepting a person for who they really are. If someone met me on the streets, you would have no idea that i was born female. There is nothing female about me, other than my legal documents saying so and my body that i have not yet corrected. I got so emotional, yelling at the tv, watching this episode of dr phil. Maybe some kids do go through a phase. But i know that not everybody does. If a persons gender identity does not align with their sex, they should be able to correct it so they can be as comfortable with themselves as everybody else. Just because most people out there are lucky enough to have their gender and sex align does not mean all of us do. I will never be comfortable in a female body, and i know many more like myself that have to stand by me and support me because so many others ridicule and dont understand.

 

I personally want to thank the mother of this girl for accepting and supporting her. Always stick with it, no matter what people say. Your child needs you now more than she will ever express. And for the others out there that agree, for those whose gender and sex do align, but support those of us that dont, thank you.

 

Without support from outsiders, it would be much harder for someone like myself to transition. It's not an easy thing to live with. But it's something i have to do for myself, something that MUST be done in order for me to live my life comfortably. To live my life at all.

Thank you.

 

For any others debating their gender identity, find a therapist in your area that deals with hormone therapies. sit down and talk to someone. They will help you. So many therapists and psychologists specialize in these areas. There are books out there... There are websites. Myspace has groups for people to meet and talk. for support. I'm in a couple groups on myspace myself. Without the support of my brothers there, it would have been hard to do. People can help you find resources in your area....

 

And Dr Phil, thank you for addressing this. I believe its an issue that is not touched nearly enough in our society today. I can only hope and pray that the world will become more accepting as time goes on.

-Dylan (Dallas, Tx)

come on... god made you who you are, why would you want to change that? I believe all trans gender people are crazy and have a chemical imbalance. Anybody who wants to change their sex is hopeless. This world is going to hell.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:44 pm PST

Misunderstood

I really have no business addressing this subject.  The only relationship I have to any of this is that the mother is terribly misunderstood by the public, the professionals and even some of her family (I assume). However, I know nothing about this issue at hand.

I think what the mother was so TICKED about was that the psychologists were implying that the gendered confusion was a direct result of her parenting skills and that it could have been avoided if the family had followed step a, b, and c, which they obviously didn't follow; or her child wouldn't be in this position.

Forget about her having three children--two of whom are not confused.  Forget about the consuming time she spent with the child, trying to convince that child that he is a boy.  Even punishments didn't work.  The final determining factor developed when the child's distress peaked to attempted suicide.

The psychologist team, helpful as they may want to believe...and perhaps are...need to find a way to treat without being judgmental.  This mother tried everything. I find it a grace of God that she didn't go to them first.  It might have been her that would try to jump. 

It's easy to place blame on the parent when things go wrong.  Talk to a parent of an anorexic child who is victim of endless advice:  "I would MAKE her eat!"..... "Duhhhh!...Oh hey!  OK!  Gimme a pen so I can write that down!!  Sweety...come eat this! A stranger with advice told me this might help!" [rolling eyes]

The blame is usually orated by a parent who enjoys believing (s)he is a really REALLY good parent who should have written a book on good parenting looonnng ago.

Let's give these moms a break, sit back and LISTEN to them, for cryin' out loud! They aren't in front of the camera to get attention. They wouldn't step into blinding spotlights if they didn't have something important to say.  They aren't trying to earn medals; they're just trying -- like all of us -- to be the best parents they can be.  Our children aren't little gingerbread kids.  They are all different and they all need our love and understanding.

~~recovering anorectic daughter
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:44 pm PST

Confused Gender Children

Dr. Phil, There was so much arguing! I would have liked to hear more of what the experts had to say.  They were insulted and interrupted so much!!!!
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:45 pm PST

about the little boy lost show

I pray that the people with closed minds learn from this show.I want to say that as a parent you will do every thing in your power to make you child happy,and if at sometime in your life you have the good fortune to know a person who want to be or live as the other sex not the one they were born with it is a blessing.In no way is this a sickness.My best friend was born a man and lived as a woman until death and my hurts everyday,I loved and took care of her until the end (07-29-08) thelove we shared I'll never ever get back. I wish we could love one another no matter what because we ware all born different. what would this world be if we were all the same and did the same things. BORRING!!!!!!
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:46 pm PST

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She could not even shut her mouth to listen to what the other specialists were saying. Yes I am a mother. I have 2 boys that are 13 and 24 and a daughter 20. I would have no problem if my children decided that they were gay. So before the bashing of myself begins I want to clear that up. She should have just listened to what they were trying to say her. She was down right rude. They listened to her and her story she should have given the same respect. I believe a child is a product of its enviroment. It's evolution! She should not have allowed him to dictate what he wanted. Throw the dolls away sissy boy. He probably did it for attention that he was not receiving from her in the first place. I would never allow my children to dress as the opposite sex. You are the parent not them!

Agree that rudeness is unacceptable!
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:46 pm PST

What is this world coming too?

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Toni, I agree with you 100%. Great job on standing up to those closed-minded "so called"doctors!!!
Good luck to you and your family:)
I can't believe anyone would stand up for these people who support trans genderness. I believe this world has gone crazy. It is an insult to your parents and god if you want to change your sex. It is so unnatural. I am outraged!
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:48 pm PST

Been there doing that

I'm 55 twice divorced 3 kids 4 grand kids. Estranged from all family because I am a high functioning Borderline Personality Disorder. One of the symptoms of BPD is gender identitity. I was told in 1980 that I had a disorder called transgender and I should just have surgery and live as my brain said. However I have for years tried everything Dr. Nicollsi said and had at one time even called him on the phone and read his book. Gender Identity is Nothing like homosexualtiy and NO 75% of GID individuals do not become gay. I as others hate it when we are classified in the same group as such. I have never been nor ever tempted to live a gay lifestyle. When I was a little boy I wanted to be just like my dad. I followed him everywhere I could, played army, sports and read about being a soldier in the army. Yet I still felt like a girl from age 5. No one knew but me until after I was married with our first child on the way. So the argument about just bonding with men does not hold water here to someone who is a true transgender person. I did everything you could possibly do to live as a man, including College Football, 6 years in the Military, getting  Married and having 3 kids. Nothing ever worked. I have been to more counnselors, psychologist, psychiatrist both Christian and non-Christain. Any and everywhere my parents or wife woud drag me to including a week in Colorado at a Christian ministry at Dr Solomens GRACE Church. I am deeply spiritual and have a great personal relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. In trying to do the manly think I also studied to be a minister and am ordained. Still the femenine would not leave. In the year 2000 during my 2nd divorce and an overdose of medication from my clinical depression. It was a do or die move for me. So for the last 8.5 years I have been living full time as a female. AS long as I don't tell anyone about me I fit in just fine. i've been on female hormones for over 20 years. I have worked at many different type of jobs because in the mid-west it is not how well you do your job, its when they find out through social security that you had a name change from male to female, they all of a sudden do not need your expertise. I have even passed the National Board Exam for Licensed Professional Counselors, but the state level won't license me because my education was Christian and not in a secular regional credited school. Regardless that there wasn't and isn't any classes in my expertise that are taught in regionally accredited schools. So my whole life has been a catch 22 one way or the other. The gender argument HAS TO BE a one to one individual case and yes I'd suggest waiting until after puberty to make any finsal decisions as to what direction to go. It didn't make any difference in my case, but in a confused individual it may. God Bless
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:48 pm PST

Toni

   Dear Dr. Phil,

    I am less inclined to watch your show  of late. Today was an example of such. I watched the episode with the mother of a young child who is gender confused. I found Toni to be attention seeking and wanting to be the only one heard.One time you asked the 2 fellows seated opposite her to not edit her reaction. Though they were not allowed to speak and give their expert knowledge in their field  and /or  their opinions. Toni often interrupted with anger and sarcasm. Interviews and guests like Toni maybe more appropriate to shows such as Jerry Springer, which I think shouldn't be televised.

   In closing , I agreed with the views of the endocrinologist and peadiatrician at the end of the program. Hoping to see more open minded  discussion with everyones view point heard.

                                                                                                                          Regards, S.F.

 
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