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Created on : Friday, October 24, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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January 13, 2009, 3:48 pm PST

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Quote From: daytonsmom

I want to know where these so called doctors got their degrees, wal-mart??  To say that a mom with a strong bond to a boy will turn out to be girly, thats just crazy.

My Husband is in the Air force which requires him to be gone alot.  I have a 6 year old son and him and I are best friends.  We have a very strong bond and not one single thing about him is "girly".  Im the biggest tomboy you can get, I never had barbies or dolls and I never thought about being trasgender.   I have no idea where these ideas come with, and to give a child hormone therapy is crazy. 

why not accept your child and support them no matter what?  Isnt that what being a parent is about?  You dont have to like what your child chooses to do but a parent is suppose to be supportive and loving.  Not ashamed. 

I think a lot of people here are misunderstanding the doctor's thinking. He's not saying that a good mother will turn a kid gay. He believes that transgenderism is often caused by children latching onto the wrong parental role model for gender stuff.

Some kids do play with the other gender's toys and stuff as kids, but, in most cases, this straightens itself out. That's why it's important that parents guide their children. That doesn't mean to force them to do things they hate or give up the things they like. A parent should be supportive of their children, but that doesn't mean that a parent shouldn't critique their kids behavior and try to steer them in the right direction. That's not supportive parenting, that's negligence. But, overreacting in either direction can cause problems.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:49 pm PST

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She could not even shut her mouth to listen to what the other specialists were saying. Yes I am a mother. I have 2 boys that are 13 and 24 and a daughter 20. I would have no problem if my children decided that they were gay. So before the bashing of myself begins I want to clear that up. She should have just listened to what they were trying to say her. She was down right rude. They listened to her and her story she should have given the same respect. I believe a child is a product of its enviroment. It's evolution! She should not have allowed him to dictate what he wanted. Throw the dolls away sissy boy. He probably did it for attention that he was not receiving from her in the first place. I would never allow my children to dress as the opposite sex. You are the parent not them!

Gay and transgendered people are totally different. It would much easier to be gay in this world. I feel very sorry for those transgendered children as they were brought into the world by the maker and we, as a people, need to understand what these people go through. It is a tough ,tough road.

Have some compassion and walk a mile in their shoes and then come back and make assumptions.

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:50 pm PST

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She could not even shut her mouth to listen to what the other specialists were saying. Yes I am a mother. I have 2 boys that are 13 and 24 and a daughter 20. I would have no problem if my children decided that they were gay. So before the bashing of myself begins I want to clear that up. She should have just listened to what they were trying to say her. She was down right rude. They listened to her and her story she should have given the same respect. I believe a child is a product of its enviroment. It's evolution! She should not have allowed him to dictate what he wanted. Throw the dolls away sissy boy. He probably did it for attention that he was not receiving from her in the first place. I would never allow my children to dress as the opposite sex. You are the parent not them!

yes... finally somebody who agrees with me!!!
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:51 pm PST

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Quote From: evelynsmum

I agree with you wholeheartedly, had it have been my son, I think that I would have reacted in the same manner that Toni did. I believe that she had every right to, especially when Dr. Nicolosi basically tried to accuse her of being in the wrong, and that it was basically her fault.  Toni was trying to explain that she wasn't very attached to her son, but it seemed to me that Dr. Nicolosi was not hearing that. I think that he needs to stop being such an arrogant "know-it-all", and try to listen to what others are trying to talk to him about, rather than being so rude, and one-sided.

I fully agee.Way to go Toni! You are a hero for all transgendered children.

 

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:51 pm PST

Sigh.....

I agree with so many of the comments on the board. On this subject I truly cannot choose a side. The issue of Gender confusion is so difficult and such an emotional subject. And I hate that it is called confusion. How horrible to lable someone as confused, when in their mind they are certain of who they would prefer to be. Now with that said, The mother of this child was a tyrant. If in another circumstance would Dr. Phil allow her to attack him the way that she was attacking these Doctors whom did not disagree with her but was mearly trying to present their opinions and some of the results that they have seen during their studies. Were they saying that she as a mother was not a good mother, never once did I hear them say that to her but she repeadtedly belittled and ridiculed these men. In my opinion she was very confused herself, she said that she felt that her son had died, but she did not want to hear anything or learn anything new. I feel that if she were truly concearned she would be receptive to every single detail that someone was offering her and make an educated decision.

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:51 pm PST

frustrated with the mom

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:53 pm PST

Wow

Wow is about all I can say right now.. I have been reading posts and some things I agree with and others I do not. Everyone can feel the way they choose.

Let me start with the mom. I am a mom of 4 and if someone told me I was to loving, smothering, or anything else I would be pissed and not want to hear a word they say after that. You can not tell me that because I am bonding with my son I am making him become gay or wanting to be a girl. That is just bullshit. I have 2 girls and 2 boys of my own. They play with what ever they want to. I am not going to tell my son he can not play with dolls when my daughter is playing with them.Or tell my daughter you can not play with trucks. I do not think a mother or father can be to loving. Isnt part of the problem these days with some kids is that parents arent loving enough and there?

Now for the doctors.. Again they have there views and that is thier choice. But I do think they were wrong on how they treated the mom. Yes she was rude and nasty to them BUT they were making it seem it was her fault her child is the way he/she is. She told them she wasnt attached to her son when he was young and they still blamed her. If there way works for some kids they great.. BUT we know what is right for one isnt right for another. I feel they should have made statements like that and that some people will be in the wrong body (easy way to put it). They made it seem that it is the parents fault and the kids should not be that way. That is wrong because in my eyes if a child is confused and hears that not only are they trying to deal with there issue they have people telling them they are wrong and now they might want to kill themselves.

Again the doctors might help some people and that is great but others they arent and they have to think about how those people they cant help are going to feel. And for the mom.. I am sorry that she was upset because she wasnt able to speak about how her son/daughter is living now and how accepting it helped.

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:53 pm PST

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Quote From: docphilviewer

I am writing because I feel your show today was out of control. The mother was not only rude but childish. I do not have a horse in the race but if I were a parent or grandparent of a TG or GC child I would have liked to have heard both sides (different views of dealing with and the therapy) of today's topic.

 

I really felt that there was a lack of control on your part Dr. Phil. I have watched many of your shows and generally you are in total control. Today both sides weren't allowed to present their views because of the mother's behavior and the professionals that were in agreement with her. They truly felt their ideas were gospel/science. But since no one yet has a total grasp on this the other view should have been allowed to present just as well. Had to turn off your show due to the rudeness and childish behavior displayed on your stage.

 

The mother even admitted early in the segment that she mourned the loss of her son so I feel sure she would have done anything (including the "other sides" treatment) to have been able to keep her son. Maybe you should allow in cases such as this to allow only 1 side to be on the stage at a time so each has equal time to present. This is my first time to blog or ever respond to a show so that should indicate how the unprofessional behavior bothered me - waste of my time to watch if all aren't allowed equal time.

I am in total agreement. would have liked to hear both sides. It was supposed to be a show about "discussing" the issue. There is no right or wrong. It doesn't matter what toni thought. Weather you have a trans gender child or not, it would have been nice to hear all the opinions, nut instead all I heard was blah blah blah.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:53 pm PST

So Wrong

I feel so strongly about this that I couldn't even wait until the end of the show to speak up.  I was a single parent for several years with two sons.  The two guests on the show claiming that boys being too close to their mothers is a problem are absolutely ridiculous.  One of my sons was what people called "all boy" and the other had a temperament usually seen in girls.  He also asked for an Easy-Bake oven for Christmas one year and I gave it to him.  He was like a girl in many ways but never wanted to be one.  Both of my sons are grown now and they're both still male.  I encouraged them both in whatever interests they had.  Meanwhile, when I was a child, there was a time when I thought I wanted to be a boy because I didn't like the way girls got treated in society.  It was a phase.  I'm still female but I have a lot of male interests that nobody ever discouraged me from pursuing.  I have made repairs to vehicles and appliances and am currently doing major renovations to my basement.  Whatever our interests my whole family is still the genders they were born as depite the fact that nobody pushed stereotypes on any of us.  However, for some people it goes beyond interests and you can't make them something they're not.  I am so proud to say nobody stereotyped me and I didn't stereotype my children.  If either of them had decided in their teens that they were not the gender they felt they were supposed to be I would have gotten them counselling to see if it was just a phase, without discouraging them from being exactly who they are, whatever that may be, and to help them transition if that's what they needed.

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:54 pm PST

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Quote From: daytonsmom

I think if your going to preach about the bible you need to get it right.  Who are you to judge??  We arent put on this earth to judge anyone, You need to go back and read the bible again. 

Its between god and the child.

Your the reason more people arent in church, JUDGEMENTAL ignorant responses like this. 

 

Go back and read the bible and dont skip the parts about "Judging others"

I agree with you about being critical of the child. I don't agree, though, that this is "between the child and God." The child should be able to count on guidance from the adults in his life. Instead, though, he has a rude, hateful, alcoholic mother who admitted that she didn't give her child proper love before he decided to live like a girl.

Letting children go undirected under the guise of letting the one without sin cast the first stone is a dereliction of duty.
 
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