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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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January 13, 2009, 3:55 pm PST

this makes me so angry

it is because of those that judge that so many of our children are growing up with so much hatred for those that arent what they call normal. why cant people start to accept others for who they are. NOT WHO THEY THINK THEY SHOULD BE. used to, people with tattoos were bad. those with Harleys were bad. i always go back to judge not lest ye be judged. the lord will sort it out. what do you think he thinks about all this hate.
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:55 pm PST

These kids don't need road blocks

Quote From: rileyrn1

This lady needs to look at all the possibilities not just the two that are on her side.  All children have fantasys of wanting to be someone else.  If they are re-directed enough times they get the message.  I feel that when the mom was having trouble with her husband she probably was showing more attention to the boy than she thought and was probably turning to him more than she thinks.  Mom's who are having marriage trouble tend to turn to their children even if they do not realize it.
She needed to turn him more toward his dad and not away from him and she needed to find him a good male role model.
She needs to be less invasive.

 

If the interests of the child are just part of childhood fantasy they will move on themselves. Redirecting may actually prolong the interest because the kid finds that there is some reason you do not want them to be doing this.

 

More than anything in these issues is that much of what we are is actually hardwired. Dr John Money who studied this issue many years ago had the theory that any child could be raised to be any gender. He was proven to be completely wrong. He believed that the brain and thus the mind was like a blank tape when we come into the world. That what we encounter is what shapes us as individuals and that includes gender.

 

He based this on two twins who had gone for circumcision as infants, when one of them accidentally had the penis cut off. The surgeon just told the mother and father to raise the boy as a girl. This case was well documented most of the way through. But many years of following this case showed Dr Money that this child who was becoming an adult was very unhappy. He fudged some of his conclussions.....in favor of his theory. Ultimately the boy raised as a girl killed herself....as did the brother who was born at the same time.

 

Gender identity is like many other things in the brain...like the need for air and water and food. They are hard wired instincts. Just as the need for love. The need to be ambulatory.

 

I find it interesting that like folks who have never had children, who seem to do their best parenting before they have children. There are folks who have never had a gender dysphoric child, or a gay child......who are so sure that all the kid needs is a few football games with dad.....or a couple of firetrucks for toys...or that mom must have given the kid a little too much soft attention......that that is at the heart of why kids are gender confused.

 

I lived through the growing up years as a gender conflicted child/teen/young adult. I had the fire trucks...I went fishing with dad. Learned how to pass and throw a football. I learned how to box as my dad was a golden gloves champion and taught hand to hand combat in the Army. I learned how to build cars, houses, Machinery.....on and on. But none of that disuaded me from also wanting to grow breasts and menstruate.

 

Believe me as a kid I knew if any of my private world got out I would be disowned and most likely beaten for being a 'queer'. I thought I was the only person in the world like me. Until I saw Christine Jorgensens autobiography. I never had a chance to read it until years later.

 

Today we have all the technology to help thse kids change over as early as possible. In my opinion they should change before they are 18 because they have almost no history to have to work around. They respond to hormones much more completely than they will later in life. The sooner we wake up as a culture to the reality that this is not a passing fantasy......the better off we as a culture will be and the happier the individual gender dysphoric child will be.

 
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January 13, 2009, 3:56 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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I'm sorry to hear that many of you parents out there don't know or care to understand about what goes on in side their minds and no less their bodies. A lot of people when they are very young know that they are in the wrong body and want to change. It's those who realize it when they are young and then told are you some kind of nut? Boy=Boy and Girl=Girl. Well what about Boy=Girl or Girl=Boy??? I have a Girl=Boy who knew from childhood that she was supposed to be a boy. She did things boys enjoyed, she was not a tomboy type, she just wanted to be boyish. As she grew older it became more pronounced, dressing, talking, acting like a normal boy would. I hoped it was just a "thing" and would go away. BUT it didn't. I was ashamed, I didn't tell anyone and would make excuses for her. Well this summer I went to her wedding, yeah, her wedding, to a girl no less! I bit my lip, help my head high, and was very happy for them both, I cried in side, but for 31 years she has known what she should have been ,and lived the horror of life today. And guess what!? I'm voting NO ON Prop.8!
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January 13, 2009, 3:56 pm PST

dear Toni

Oh, what a world we live in... All I want to say to you is my heart goes out to you.  Isn't it amazing that Sarah Palin can have a "mother/bear" instintic of protection over her unwed teenage daughter and the "right wing" stand up and applaud and vote for her.

 

But, God forbid you show a "mother/bear" instintic of protection over your child.  Your just overly protective, overly involved and "ruined" your child; And people call you rude.

 

I get it... as I have a gay young adult child whom with hindsight recognizes he has always been gay. 

 

You know with Seven kids living in this house and he being number 6.  I had so much time in-between being a wife to my husband, training and driving the teenager's around, making sure everyone had done their chores, cleaning, cooking a meal, doing 20 loads of laundry, yard work, fruit tree farm, checking homework, etc... that I also found the time to overly bond with this child. 

 

You know, I wanted all that time alone with the kids; didn't want their dad involved.  Hum... from what I remember he hung out with his older brothers most of the time.

 

But, yes I found a way to "ruin" this child in Dr Dobson's eye's and his staff.  I have thought about suing Dr. Dobson as I raised all my children IN THE CHURCH; and Dr. Dobson's tapes and books are what I followed.  My whole life inside and outside has been my faith, relationship with Christ.

 

What I wonder is:  if overly-bonding with a boy causes a boy to be gay or transgendered than why are they usually boys born after other boys?  why are not most of them Only born boys whom mothers have more time to overly-bond?

 

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January 13, 2009, 3:57 pm PST

I am I ...and not confused.

It needs to be known that some are born biologically transgendered, wired differently biochemically or mentally...this is not a choice. We are what we are. As for myself..I am a chimera and a hermaphrodite with both genders and many genetic anomalies, as I absorbed my twin sister in ureterus. I have lived as male and female, as since I have both, it is my choice to do so. I had no choices in my birth, as I see others like any who *know* they are in the incorrect physical form had no choice either. Judge us, fine. Call us aberrations, wrong,...I have even been called a mistake of God. We had no choice. Accept it. We are who and what we are...just like anyone else. No more, no less. Equal potential, equal worth, with a heart and feelings and future. Just like everyone else. I am thankful for those now, in this time, it can be discussed openly in forum..it can be debated, and both sides heard. I was born in 1969. I was a thing of embarassment and shame.  No child or preson deserves that from those that decide to judge them for things out of thier control.   Thank you.

Jamie
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:59 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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I completely support Toni. I do not have a transgendered child but I am so offended by the opposing doctors I had to write. To say that a mother can cause a son to be transgendered is outrageous! Its offensive and closed minded. I give Toni kudos to have even sat on that stage entertaining those idiots for as long as she did. As parents we do the best we can do with what we have. We love and support our children. No parent is perfect. Having a father play trucks with their son is not going to change brain chemistry. I would rather my child know that I love her and support her than to make her feel I am ashamed of her and that she should be ashamed of herself. That leads to self destructive behavior. God bless you Toni. I hope you and your child are well. I hope that you have support in your family and community and I want you to know there are others out there that know you love your child and are doing the right thing for YOUR family. Thank you for having the courage to share your story. I think you are doing a wonderful job and those doctors should be ashamed!!!

we didn't even get to hear the other doctors opinions so how dare you say that you support her. She was such a cow. It was horrible to see two PROFESSIONAL'S not even be able to speak their opinions!!! GRRRR
 
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January 13, 2009, 3:59 pm PST

Gender Identiy Disorder

I am very surprised with the mother who claimed that she came to the Dr. Phil show to get help for the loss of her son.  Her aggressive behavior showed that she was only interested in having Dr. Phil validate her choice for allowing her son to transition into a female.  I am not an expert on this subject, but it seems to me that both sides of this issue have information that would be worth exploring.  It was clear that this mother only want to attack the Dr.s who did not agree with her decission.  (The man who claimed that he wanted to be a horse when he was little, had the best answer!)
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:01 pm PST

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Quote From: mono76

The mother on the that aired 1-13-2009 on kcbd channel 11. She made her child the way he is she bought him princess things when he was 2 years old. Instead of giving in she should have guided him to more appropriate things. Our children want things but they do not alway get what they want but what we know is best. The tail is waging the dog in that mothers case. Dr. Phil it is like this a child is grossly overwieght because they want to eat junk. The parent gives to them so thier fat. You have said a heathy eating environment leads to healthy eating. A healthy lifestyle environment will also lead to a healthy sexual identity. I have two boys there is no way they are getting princess stuff I am thier parent they are the child. No way my boys are getting girl stuff! They can cry thow fits. I will not buy it. That lady did she gave in. I am telling her to grow a parenting back bone. Children do not know what they are or who they are we must guide them.
I am in agreement 100% What is this world coming too? It is going to be run by monkeys pretty soon if we don't smarten up!!
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:03 pm PST

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I must admit, I was very disappointed in the show today. I am used to opposing positions being shut out or ignored on your show, but this was ridiculous. This woman mocked and demonized the experts for the opposition, before they even had a chance to speak. Dr. Phil did absolutely nothing about it. Of course, this was an emotional subject, but there has to be a point where you have to allow others to express their side. If you want respect for your views, then you should give respect. She was abrasive and rude and did not allow anyone to speak. Children should not be allowed to do whatever they please whenever they want. This little boy even said in his video "I get whatever I want...my mom says I'm a princess.." The short skirts and skin tight shirts with no backs are ridiculous, no matter the age. Of course, we must always side with the mother, she is never wrong. But if you want to present a show with both sides, please allow both sides to be heard objectively.

And friend, "left wing Christians" is an oxymoron. Before you insult people, please at least understand what you're talking about.
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:05 pm PST

confused mother

I watched a mother who said she was morning the loss of a son, and was saying that she was acepting he childs decision to be a girl. But I saw a very angry woman. If you fell you have done the right thing why the anger? Through out my life I have seen that when people feel wrong and do not want to admit it they become angry. And do not want to reason.
 
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