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Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

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January 13, 2009, 4:10 pm PST

Thank you

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My name is Dylan and im 20 years old. I was born female, but i am transsexual. I know without a doubt that there is nothing female about me besides my body. To be honest, i dont think that people that have not experienced this have any idea how this stuff works. It doesnt matter if youre a psychologist or not. You can have hours of training on hormone therapy, etc etc etc. But no matter how they try to "explain" the ways its not possible, they have no idea. People dont understand. When someone is trans, you know without a doubt that you dont fit your body. I have seen a therapist for this, and ive now been on testosterone (hormone therapy) for 9 months now. For the FIRST TIME in my life, i actually feel really comfortable with myself. My whole life growing up i was sheltered. I definitely had a much closer relationship with my mother than my father, however i still had a relationship with them both. My parents have been married about 25 years, i have a 21 year old brother. My parents have never seperated, nothing like that. A lot of people believe that something happened in my childhood with a man or something that made me this way. Thats not true by any means. Nobody ever touched me inappropriately, i never had an unhealthy relationship with a man, or woman for that matter. I was homeschooled until 6th grade and then was in a private (baptist) school until 10th grade. my sophomore - senior years i did attend a public school. But my whole life ive been different. I was VERY tomboy my whole life. i hated everything feminine. Hated dresses, never once wore makeup, never played with barbies. I didnt like it. When i played house with my friends, i insisted on being "daddy" because that was what i was comfortable with. I never felt comfortable in my female body. When i hit puberty and my body developed, i had a hard time looking myself in the mirror because i just didnt fit. For a long time i identified as lesbian, but even then i was not comfortable. I was very "butch" but still couldnt be comfortable with myself. When i started seeing a therapist for my transition, everything finally started feeling right. I only attended therapy 3 months before i started hormone therapy, because i knew it was what i had to do to be comfortable in my own body. It's the only thing that made me happy. 9 months on testosterone, and you would never know i was born female. I am pre-op. no surgeries thus far, mainly because i am still young and dont have the money at this point in my life for it. However, my goal for 2009 is to have my top surgery completed, if not both. I live my life as a straight male. I have a very supporting girlfriend, as well as my friends who i have adopted as my family. My parents dont accept the change. I'm the baby and the only female born child they had. Ive lost almost my whole relationship with both parents. We still talk on occasion, but it hurts me desperately that i wont be able to take the girl i love home to my parents. I do intend to have a family one day. I want a child or two that i can father. I want to be a daddy one day. But unless my parents can begin to accept my transition, ill never let them meet their grandchildren. And that kills me. It hurts that my parents and brother (even extended family) cant be a part of MY family because they wont accept my transition. I think the mother accepting her daughter as just that is amazing. That child needs all the support she can get because the world, like those doctors, and many of the people reading and writing on this board, cant accept them. I've known more than one transgendered person to commit suicide because of the way they are treated. I dont understand what is so hard about accepting a person for who they really are. If someone met me on the streets, you would have no idea that i was born female. There is nothing female about me, other than my legal documents saying so and my body that i have not yet corrected. I got so emotional, yelling at the tv, watching this episode of dr phil. Maybe some kids do go through a phase. But i know that not everybody does. If a persons gender identity does not align with their sex, they should be able to correct it so they can be as comfortable with themselves as everybody else. Just because most people out there are lucky enough to have their gender and sex align does not mean all of us do. I will never be comfortable in a female body, and i know many more like myself that have to stand by me and support me because so many others ridicule and dont understand.

 

I personally want to thank the mother of this girl for accepting and supporting her. Always stick with it, no matter what people say. Your child needs you now more than she will ever express. And for the others out there that agree, for those whose gender and sex do align, but support those of us that dont, thank you.

 

Without support from outsiders, it would be much harder for someone like myself to transition. It's not an easy thing to live with. But it's something i have to do for myself, something that MUST be done in order for me to live my life comfortably. To live my life at all.

Thank you.

 

For any others debating their gender identity, find a therapist in your area that deals with hormone therapies. sit down and talk to someone. They will help you. So many therapists and psychologists specialize in these areas. There are books out there... There are websites. Myspace has groups for people to meet and talk. for support. I'm in a couple groups on myspace myself. Without the support of my brothers there, it would have been hard to do. People can help you find resources in your area....

 

And Dr Phil, thank you for addressing this. I believe its an issue that is not touched nearly enough in our society today. I can only hope and pray that the world will become more accepting as time goes on.

-Dylan (Dallas, Tx)

Thank you so much for sharing your story.. I am very very sorry your family will not accept you for who you are. I do understand and would be the same with with not letting them be apart of my kids lives if they couldnt accept me. It is a sad thing to go through and hopefully someday they will come around... I am glad to hear you have support from friends and your girlfriend. I wish you luck and hope you can make your goals for 2009!!!
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:10 pm PST

Homophobics

What a couple of arrogant homophobics.  Homosexuality is something people are born with not something that is one aquires by watching others...These "psychologists seems to have gotten their degress from Sears

 

The mother was right to support her child. 

 
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January 13, 2009, 4:11 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Dr. Phil....I found your handling of the show about gender identification disorder to be disturbing.  The gentlemen who advocate treatment by bonding with the child's father and stating that the mother was too attached is a bunch of  baloney.  Nothing like bashing motherhood!!! They would not even listen to Toni's story without interrupting her and totally invalidating her by promoting their "treatment"..... Personally I believe they are totally in denial about this issue.  They were so interested in pushing their credo that the issue was not even really discussed...I wish you had made sure that both sides were heard.   I felt like the actual issue was not every really discussed.  The doctors on the other side of the issue were not even allowed to speak!  We are talking about people with a very important issue and  the baby was thrown out with the bathwater.. I am a fan, so hope that you would make sure that you give equal time for both sides of any issues discussed on your show. 

We didn't even get to hear their side though!!! All i heard was toni going BLAH BLAH BLAH
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:13 pm PST

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I have never posted on any board but was so angry watching this show that I decided I needed to vent and found this board.  First off, Dr. Phil, I'm very disappointed in your handling of the show.  You sat there like you were afraid of that mother.  She was allowed to rant and rave and say whatever she wanted to the two doctors on the other side.  But, when they tried to stick up for themselves to her, you scolded them on their reaction  to her answers.  Where was your backbone?  Did you leave it in your high-heeled pumps?  Second, the mother was completely rude, obnoxious, and was obviously correct about anything and everything (at least in her mind).  If you are going to have a show about a very controversial issue then let both sides have equal time.  The show definitely was not about gender confused children, it was about angry parent of gender confused child. 

 

I feel sorry for the boy.  He will have a tough road ahead of him. God forbid he gets on the wrong side of that woman.  He doesn't really need to have a dad, because she obviously wears the pants in that household.  I don't know much about this condition  and thanks to Dr. Phil just sitting there, looking on blankly with his fingers under his chin, i STILL don't.  I only got to hear an angry mother telling off two men that obviously care about children or they wouldn't waste their time on the show or studying this disorder.

 

My prayers will be for the little boy that he is able to live a happy, healthy productive life no matter which way he turns out.  And, Dr. Phil, I'll pray for you that the next time you are faced with a situation like today,  that you will find your voice and guts to step in and take control of your show and your guests (even if you are intimidated by them).

Finally somebody who agrees with me. I think this whole issue is sick!!
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:13 pm PST

PEOPLE THAT NEED SUPPORT

DEAR DR. PHIL

IT IS THE START OF A NEW YEAR.  IT IS JAN.13 2009. I AM HOME THE PHONE RINGS AND ITS MY SISTER, TELLING ME I SHOULD WATCH YOUR PROGRAM TODAY. I TURNED TO WATCH YOUR PROGRAM TODAY. I ALSO HAVE WATCH YOUR SHOW ON MANY DIFFRENT OCASTIONS.

I AM A SINGLE GAY  MALE SOON TO BE 46 YEAR OLD. I AM SO AMAZED AT THAT THE DOCTERS SITTING TO YOUR RIGHT . THE DOCTER WITH GREY HAIR AND A BEARED ? I MUST SAY THAT HIS THOUGHT ARE VERY OBSCURE TO WHAT HE THINK IS THE CORRECT WAY TO HELP THE CHILD THAT WANTS TO BE A WOMEN. MY MOTHER BROUGHT MY SISTER AND ME UP A SINGLE PARENT, AS A YOUNG BOY , I ALWAYS FELT LIKE I WAS A GIRL, I WAS BLONDE BLEU EYED  LONG BLACK EYELASHES , MY VOICE WAS HIGH, MY MOTHER WAS ALWAYS TOLD THAT SHE HAD A BEAUTYFUL GIRL AND IT WOULD MAKE HER ANGRY, SHE WOULD ALWAYS SAY TO THE PERSON YOU MUST BE BLIND CAUSE HE IS A BOY NOT A GIRL.   MY MOTHER ALWAYS DRESS ME IN BLUE  , THE THING THAT GETS TO ME THE MOST IS THE DOCTER KEEPS SAYING THAT THE BOY NEED A MAN TO HELP HIM GROW TO BE A MAN . WELL DR.PHIL   I HAVE TO SAY THIS, CAUSE IT DROVE ME CRAZY TO SIT HER AND WATCH THIS DOCTER SAY THIS CAUSE IT IS A BUNCH OF CRAP.  I MAY HAVE NOT HAVE MY FATHER IN MY LIFE TO BONNED WITH , BUT MY GRANDFATHER WAS THERE FOR ME GROWING UP. MY GRANDFATHER WAS A GREAT MAN ,A HUNTER FISH  A MANS MAN, HE DID ALL KIND OF STUFF WITH ME GROWING UP I BOMED WITH MY GRANDFATHER HE MENT THE WORLD TO ME , I DO THINK THAT THE DOCTER NEEDS TO MAYBE RE THINK HIS THEROIES A LITTLE MORE BEFORE SAY THINGS LIKE THIS IN PUBLIC AGAIN , THERE IS SUCH A THING AS GENDER CONFUSED, AND MAYBE THIS DOCTER SHOULD ACTUALY VISIT A CLINIC THAT DEALS WITH YOUNG BOYS AND GIRLS THAT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS . I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS YOUNG BOY IS GOING THREW , I WENT THREW THE SAME THING AS A YOUNG BOY ,ITS HARD TO EXPLAIN ALL THIS IN A E-MAIL. BUT I CAN RELATE TO THE MOTHER AND THE YOUNG BOY THAT IS GOIN THREW THIS AT THIS TIME,  THERE IS A CLINIC IN EUROPE THAT DEALS WITH THIS GENDER CONFUSED , I THINK MAYBE YOU COULD DO A FALLOW UP STORIE TO THEN ONE I WATCH TODAY , I AM SORRY THAT THIS E-MAIL IS LONG BUT I WAS VERY SAD TO SEE A DOCTER IN ARE TIME OF LIFE STILL SO CLOSED MINED TO THE REALITY OF LIFE ,BEEN GAY  OR GENDER CONFUSED , IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN FIX BY HAVING A YOUNG BOY BONED WITH A MAN .  HONESTLY ?

IF YOU CARE TO CONTACT ME ARE WOULD LIKE MORE OF MY THOUGHT PLEASE FEEL FREE

 

THANKS AGAIN

YOURS TRUELY

EMBARRASSED

 
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January 13, 2009, 4:13 pm PST

wow, you people are "interesting"

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I couldn't agree with you more! Being tolerant seems to be a one-way street. Liberals are always right, conservatives always wrong. This woman was absolutely embarrassing and rude. Maybe the fact that she had too little to do with her child made him try to get her attention in an odd way. How about that?
Did we watch the same show? Your information is interesting and your insight is scary. I can only pray you don't have children.
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:14 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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So very true!
I agree 100% What is this world coming to?
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:14 pm PST

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I was frustrated watching this show.  I think this is an example of when a show should be done in two parts.  Too many experts, too many opinions, too many commercial breaks.  I didn't see the first show but judging by the recap, I had already decided I didn't like the focus on the family guys.  But then I wanted to hear what they do.  I actually like to hear both sides of the story and in this case, we didn't get to hear both.  I think in our society today we are all so conditioned to accept everything.  Accept all behavior, all conditions.  I never even thought there might be therapy for this.  I would actually like to hear their success stories.  It didn't sound like they simply force boys to play with trucks.  I wonder if the mom (Tony?) had heard of this option years ago if she might have tried it.  I wanted to hear more about how only 15% of kids with gender confusion issues still live as the opposite (opposite as in genital opposite) sex as adults.

I have too many questions.  Oh and as a side note, the Focus on the Family guys seemed a bit fruity to me.

I got the same impression.  In fact, before I knew who they were, I thought they were a gay couple and one was going to announce he was a girl.

I'm not here to bash them.  In fact, I grew up listening to Focus on the Family.  I listened to everything James Dobson had to say.  Of course, this was when i didn't have cable tv, the internet wasn't a household word...But, it seemed to me that James Dobson was one of the few pioneering Christian psychologists who helped fuse psychology with the Bible.  Before then, preachers everywhere were slamming their fists on the pulpit and screaming, "Depression is a sin!  Get over it and let others see Jesus in your life!"  This made me believe that my own problems were sinfully wrong, yet I couldn't shake them.  Later (and yet years ago) I was to be diagnosed with Bipolar ...then, recently reworded from "Manic-depression" for the bad connotations that were attached.  The term was so new, that when I was diagnosed, I didn't even know  what it meant..  I was horrified to find out what it did mean. Focus on the Family really helped me through all that.

Fastforward to the present; the message I kept receiving from this team was that they see "this...this...and this..." in all kids who are gender-confused.  This implies that the mother could have prevented this. 

However, you may be right.  If she had given them a chance to talk, they may have opened our eyes a bit and allowed us to see how they really can help.  They did look like they wanted to say something else, but were spending that time defending themselves..

I have no side on this issue.  I decided long ago that I wouldn't make decisions on anything I'd never experienced personally.  I'm just commenting on the general frustrations of the mom.
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:15 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

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Thank you SO much for sharing this. I hope that people will open their eyes and be more accepting of people that are outside of so-called "societal norms".
it is unnatural... this world is going to hell
 
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January 13, 2009, 4:17 pm PST

Gender confusion

I would like to give my two cents regarding this issue.

I have a 15 year old girl that thinks she is lesbian, or so she tell us to play with our mind. She does not have an issue with being a girl, but we, her mother and I, fell that she is confused in the matters of relationships and acceptance with her peers, but she is learning and finding out.

She grew up with the precept that she could do anything she wanted without regard to gender as defined by society or bias, for instance what toys you play with (this teaches the kid what is it you want it to be s the child grows up), what you wear (she decided that it is easier to play in pants than skirts and the boys clothes last longer), and how you love anyone. I feel that in a way we create the boundaries that makes it wrong in the eyes of others. O course the teenage phase is already tough when you are trying to define who you are, but more so now when others are judging what you decide to be. So have the others consider what parameters they are using to measure individuals? It is important that as individuals we make an informed decision, your program is a great venue to expose all views, but more important, why they think that way; many of the behaviors in the US are outrageous to the rest of the world, and vice versa, but does it make either of us wrong?!

I love my child very much and I feel that she respect me, and some times fear me, because although strict in my ways, I still give her her freedom to expres herself the way she knows, but also know that there are boundaries in or society that we need to follow, to live among others and to respect their thoughts. I may express my disaproval, but that is all, sometimes we agree to disagree and recognize our individuality.

 
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