Message Boards

Topic : 10/29 Gender Confused Children

Number of Replies: 1316
New Messages This Week: 0
Last Reply On:
Created on : Friday, October 24, 2008, 02:51:47 pm
Author : DrPhilBoard1
Dr. Phil tackles the sensitive topic of children who identify more with the opposite sex. What do you do if your son wants to wear dresses and play with dolls? Or if your daughter tells you she wants to be a boy? Should parents chock it up to being a phase that their children will grow out of, or should they intervene right away? Meet Melissa and Tim, whose 8-year-old son declared himself to be a girl when he was just 3 years old. Now, they allow their child to live as a girl and wonder if and when they should begin hormone therapy. Then, when Mary’s son was 8, he told her he felt like a girl, and Mary allowed him to experiment with dressing as a female. Now a teenager, her son is more comfortable living as a male -- but Mary wonders if she caused his confusion. Joining the discussion are experts with differing points of view: Dr. Dan Siegel, professor and clinical psychiatrist at UCLA School of Medicine, and Glenn Stanton, author and research fellow with the organization Focus on the Family. Is gender identity something we’re born with, or is it influenced by parents and environment? Don’t miss this heated discussion, then talk about the show here..

Find out what happened on the show.

As of January, 2009, this message board will become "Read Only" and will be closed to further posting. Please join the NEW Dr. Phil Community to continue your discussions, personalize your message board experience, start a blog and meet new friends.

User Mood
Distressed

Message Emote
frustrated
January 13, 2009, 5:07 pm PST

I am considered "Gender Queer" And I am concernedd

So, I would be what you considered "Gender Queer" I could go either way.  I was born a female, and have female emotions, but do not feel that way.  My concerns about this particular show are the fact that the two male doctors that were so against how the mom was, is absolutely ridiculous.  Yes, I understand that perhaps she should have waited to see what puberty would have done with her :"son" but if he had decided at such a young age that he really was a girl than how can you change that?  I agree with the mother that you can "brow beat" a child into believing anything.  It just is very hard to watch such specialists not even try to hear out what the mom has to say!  My mom is the way that they feel.  I was born a girl, and I should stay a girl.  She is okay with the fact that I love women, but not okay with the fact that I want to be a man.  She is okay with me being a drag king, but not okay with real life man-hood so to speak.

 

How can anyone tell someone else how they should feel?  I just dont get it! At my age, the hard thing is to finally go through with it.  Its because of fear that I dont.. Society is just now beoming okay with Homosexuals, and i have had a hard enough time dealing with that, much less trying to integrate myself into the teasing and the hazing, and jobs not treating me the same all over again.  So I understand why 85% of Trans-genered do not do so at my age.

 

In my town, which is typically about 60% homosexual and trans, I want to open up a facility for us.  I want it to be a safe haven for those who go through what I went through.  And family counseling so that parents can understand their children. Its something we need, and perhaps something that a few other places need to.

 
User Mood
Angry

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:10 pm PST

confused??

You know i read all these post about people playing with boy or girl toys and being gay when they were older.

I must be different.   I am 24 years old, been in a dress 1 time.  Have NEVER put on make-up.  NEVER wore high heels, NEVER played with barbies. 

I wear hoodies and jeans, I hunt and fish, i still play transformers and star wars with my son.  I like video games, and sports.

IM NOT GAY!  Nor have i ever thought I was gay and my MOTHER raised me.  I am married and have a child. 

I think the more the parent pushes one way or another the child is going to rebel, thats what kids do.

 My mom bought me the toys I wanted and never once pushed me to be more girly, to wear make up or dresses. 

How bout we let our kids be who they want to be and stop pushing to act your gender??  stop pushing trucks on boys and barbies on girls and maybe who wouldnt be having this discussion.

 

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:12 pm PST

Where do I Begin................

I have watched both shows on this topic and i can't believe some people.   I read some other views thoughts and some disagreed when you "stood up for " the mom when the psychologist was getting pissy.  I did not think the mother was rude unlike some views because she is living with this issue and those psychologist that disagree have no first hand knowledge of what it's like.  i myself have two boys who are boys right now.  they are too little to tell me anything.  I thought when i saw this show what if.  What if my son came to me and wanted to be a girl.  I don't know for sure what i would do but I think that i would accept him and i would still love very very much.  The mother on the show was right the reason why we have problems in this world today is because of people like the two males on the opposite side.  The create this image that we need to "fix" these kids and "teach" them the "right" way to behave in a certain sex.  Which is saying that the choice that people make to be trans gender is wrong.  People with closed minds and hate see this and it only fuels there anger and beliefs.  Why can't families be accepting of their children no matter who they are.  Its wrong to say the mother on the show was rude or Dr Phil was wrong to stick up for her.  Those two males on the opposite end think they are helping but they are truly making matters worse.  If everyone created a accepting environment things would be great.  The reason the trans gender kids may grow up to have problems or commit suicide is also because of these two males and their followers.  I my opinion they were the rude ones on the show they way they talked down to the mother and acted like she was the cause.  I am glad that other Dr. said that mothers should not take away from this that if they are to close to their kids they will become trans gender.  Because the two males were painting that picture that mothers too close to their kids is what causes problems and that is just wrong.  Since there is genetic tests that were done to prove that this is not something made up then everyone need to get on the same page.  Treatment is for a disorder this seems to be a lifestyle.  And what is up with the two males saying the can also "fix" Gays and lesbians.  How rude. 

 
User Mood
Happy

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:13 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: pokie5

   your right. you hit the nail on the head!
are you kidding meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
User Mood
Angry

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:17 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: elphaba372

I really felt that mom was treated horribly by those men. I got steamed when one of the insensitive pigs when he said 'Why do we always get these mothers?' what is that about? She is a warm caring mom doing what is best for her son. I believe in the disorder. I do not have a child with it but I think they have it.
she was not a warm caring mom.  She was the one treating them rudely. Some people actually wanted to hear their opinion. All I heard was sarcasm and rude arrogant remarks. She should have let the two PROFESSIONALS speak their opinion. The show was not about her, but he issue that still stands undiscussed. I think that she should have shut up so that the adults could have discussed the issue in a professional manner.
 

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:18 pm PST

I believe

 

 I believe before I was born, i was held in the arms of a beautiful being.  I was told that I was being born to wonderful loving parents.  And that I will be gay. Then this beautiful being kissed my forehead, told me that i will always be loved, and to embrace and enjoy this life given to me.

Then sent me on my way...................Now thats not so hard to believe, is it?

 
User Mood
Angry

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:19 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: thistoshallpas

So, I would be what you considered "Gender Queer" I could go either way.  I was born a female, and have female emotions, but do not feel that way.  My concerns about this particular show are the fact that the two male doctors that were so against how the mom was, is absolutely ridiculous.  Yes, I understand that perhaps she should have waited to see what puberty would have done with her :"son" but if he had decided at such a young age that he really was a girl than how can you change that?  I agree with the mother that you can "brow beat" a child into believing anything.  It just is very hard to watch such specialists not even try to hear out what the mom has to say!  My mom is the way that they feel.  I was born a girl, and I should stay a girl.  She is okay with the fact that I love women, but not okay with the fact that I want to be a man.  She is okay with me being a drag king, but not okay with real life man-hood so to speak.

 

How can anyone tell someone else how they should feel?  I just dont get it! At my age, the hard thing is to finally go through with it.  Its because of fear that I dont.. Society is just now beoming okay with Homosexuals, and i have had a hard enough time dealing with that, much less trying to integrate myself into the teasing and the hazing, and jobs not treating me the same all over again.  So I understand why 85% of Trans-genered do not do so at my age.

 

In my town, which is typically about 60% homosexual and trans, I want to open up a facility for us.  I want it to be a safe haven for those who go through what I went through.  And family counseling so that parents can understand their children. Its something we need, and perhaps something that a few other places need to.

make sure that you let us know what the name of that town is so that us normal people don't go there. maybe i want to open a facility that protects my children from the sick world that people like you have created.
 
User Mood
Touched

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:21 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: dmj_superman

My name is Dylan and im 20 years old. I was born female, but i am transsexual. I know without a doubt that there is nothing female about me besides my body. To be honest, i dont think that people that have not experienced this have any idea how this stuff works. It doesnt matter if youre a psychologist or not. You can have hours of training on hormone therapy, etc etc etc. But no matter how they try to "explain" the ways its not possible, they have no idea. People dont understand. When someone is trans, you know without a doubt that you dont fit your body. I have seen a therapist for this, and ive now been on testosterone (hormone therapy) for 9 months now. For the FIRST TIME in my life, i actually feel really comfortable with myself. My whole life growing up i was sheltered. I definitely had a much closer relationship with my mother than my father, however i still had a relationship with them both. My parents have been married about 25 years, i have a 21 year old brother. My parents have never seperated, nothing like that. A lot of people believe that something happened in my childhood with a man or something that made me this way. Thats not true by any means. Nobody ever touched me inappropriately, i never had an unhealthy relationship with a man, or woman for that matter. I was homeschooled until 6th grade and then was in a private (baptist) school until 10th grade. my sophomore - senior years i did attend a public school. But my whole life ive been different. I was VERY tomboy my whole life. i hated everything feminine. Hated dresses, never once wore makeup, never played with barbies. I didnt like it. When i played house with my friends, i insisted on being "daddy" because that was what i was comfortable with. I never felt comfortable in my female body. When i hit puberty and my body developed, i had a hard time looking myself in the mirror because i just didnt fit. For a long time i identified as lesbian, but even then i was not comfortable. I was very "butch" but still couldnt be comfortable with myself. When i started seeing a therapist for my transition, everything finally started feeling right. I only attended therapy 3 months before i started hormone therapy, because i knew it was what i had to do to be comfortable in my own body. It's the only thing that made me happy. 9 months on testosterone, and you would never know i was born female. I am pre-op. no surgeries thus far, mainly because i am still young and dont have the money at this point in my life for it. However, my goal for 2009 is to have my top surgery completed, if not both. I live my life as a straight male. I have a very supporting girlfriend, as well as my friends who i have adopted as my family. My parents dont accept the change. I'm the baby and the only female born child they had. Ive lost almost my whole relationship with both parents. We still talk on occasion, but it hurts me desperately that i wont be able to take the girl i love home to my parents. I do intend to have a family one day. I want a child or two that i can father. I want to be a daddy one day. But unless my parents can begin to accept my transition, ill never let them meet their grandchildren. And that kills me. It hurts that my parents and brother (even extended family) cant be a part of MY family because they wont accept my transition. I think the mother accepting her daughter as just that is amazing. That child needs all the support she can get because the world, like those doctors, and many of the people reading and writing on this board, cant accept them. I've known more than one transgendered person to commit suicide because of the way they are treated. I dont understand what is so hard about accepting a person for who they really are. If someone met me on the streets, you would have no idea that i was born female. There is nothing female about me, other than my legal documents saying so and my body that i have not yet corrected. I got so emotional, yelling at the tv, watching this episode of dr phil. Maybe some kids do go through a phase. But i know that not everybody does. If a persons gender identity does not align with their sex, they should be able to correct it so they can be as comfortable with themselves as everybody else. Just because most people out there are lucky enough to have their gender and sex align does not mean all of us do. I will never be comfortable in a female body, and i know many more like myself that have to stand by me and support me because so many others ridicule and dont understand.

 

I personally want to thank the mother of this girl for accepting and supporting her. Always stick with it, no matter what people say. Your child needs you now more than she will ever express. And for the others out there that agree, for those whose gender and sex do align, but support those of us that dont, thank you.

 

Without support from outsiders, it would be much harder for someone like myself to transition. It's not an easy thing to live with. But it's something i have to do for myself, something that MUST be done in order for me to live my life comfortably. To live my life at all.

Thank you.

 

For any others debating their gender identity, find a therapist in your area that deals with hormone therapies. sit down and talk to someone. They will help you. So many therapists and psychologists specialize in these areas. There are books out there... There are websites. Myspace has groups for people to meet and talk. for support. I'm in a couple groups on myspace myself. Without the support of my brothers there, it would have been hard to do. People can help you find resources in your area....

 

And Dr Phil, thank you for addressing this. I believe its an issue that is not touched nearly enough in our society today. I can only hope and pray that the world will become more accepting as time goes on.

-Dylan (Dallas, Tx)

thank you for sharing your story, and my heart goes out to you that your family wakes up one day and sees the beauty in their new son and learns to love and accept you for what and who you truly are.  I only hope more people out there will learn from stories like this one and learn to accept changes in those they know and love, no matter what the change.  That's what being a parent is all about, loving your family and children no matter what, and I stress the NO MATTER WHAT part.  Not everyone has problems in their home life, just as you had a good childhood, and sometimes things just happen for no apparent reason at all and I can attest to that through my own experiences in life.  Sometimes who you are on the inside isn't the person people see on the outside.  I see changing genders as no different then women going on diets to change their apprearance, or wearing a little or a lot of make-up to look prettier or whatever, or even men going to the gym to buff up.  Everyone wants to look like they feel on the inside, some people just need more help then others, and sometimes it's not always easy to understand why, but in the same breath we all need to learn to accept whatever change the people we love needs to go through to be themselves.  Just because we may  not understand it doesn't mean it's wrong or unnatural.  Everyone wants to express who and what they are by any means possible, so why not let them??? I was glad to read your story and others that have the same view point and you and I, and I even enjoy reading the other side of the story and trying to learn something from them as well.  Thank you again for sharing!!
 
User Mood
Scared

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:22 pm PST

Dr. Nicolosi

Quote From: elphaba372

I really felt that mom was treated horribly by those men. I got steamed when one of the insensitive pigs when he said "Why do we always get these mothers?" what is that about? She is a warm caring mom doing what is best for her son. I believe in the disorder. I do not have a child with it but I think they have it.

 

You're right - that Dr. Nicolosi scares me!  I felt he was a male chauvinist- and that was before he made his remark asking where all the men were! 

 
User Mood
Angry

Message Emote
blank
January 13, 2009, 5:23 pm PST

10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: elphaba372

not poor mom, she's crazy... i feel sorry her children and all the people she has criticized
 
First | Prev | 117 | 118 | 119 | 120 | 121 | 122 | 123 | 124 | 125 | 126 | Next | Last