Topic : 10/29 Gender Confused Children

Quote From: cgray47

What is wrong with the world today? Gender confusion is a psychological illness. There is no other explanation or excuse. If your child came to you and said, "Mom, I feel like I'm really a fish on the inside. I've felt like this my whole life." Would you throw him in a pond and say, "Okay, I'll come sprinkle some food in here for you later." I don't think so. You would think they were crazy. Why? Because they're obviously NOT a fish and "supporting" their wanting to be a fish could actually be more harmful to them than getting them the psychological help that they need. If your child thinks they are a boy, when in fact they are obviously a girl, there is something wrong with them and they need help, not to change into something they aren't, but to realize what they really are. It would be ridiculous for a person to allow their son to drown just because he really believes he's a fish, and it is ridiculous for a person to pump their son full of hormones that ARE NOT supposed to be there.

Quote From: oldpueblo

The mom, Toni, was so rude.  Yes, frustrated but just because you do not believe what another is saying, you don't need to be discourteous.  I do think these things are biological but that MAY not mean that something cannot be done.  She starts off with the first kid being single (no dad), then apparently, second dad left somewhere in the mix.  Come on.  Get it together.

 

A very hard road to hoe but just because your story is this way, it does not mean that someone else's cannot turn out differently.  No, Toni, I do not have a transgender kid but neither did the other folks on the stage with you.  What a holier than thou attitude.  I'll bet living with her is a state of constand joy.

Quote From: x15gal

Toni was not rude, she was angry. She had gone through the types of things that Stanton and Nicolosi wanted her to do years ago. Guess where it led? It led to her son wanting to kill himself because of the hatred and intolerance in the world, just like what you are spouting here today. Do you get this: THE CHILD WANTED TO DIE! So it is your understanding that the mother should have continued to dismiss the fact that her child is transgender and should have sat back and watched as the child jumped out the window? Wow, what a loving parent you would make. Yes, I can see that living with Toni would actually be a constant joy in that she changed her mind in the face of the evidence and said that she wanted to have her child actually stay alive. For you and all the others on this board to think anything otherwise is a pretty sad statement about the reality of this existance. How dare you dictate your own ideals onto someone you do not understand and who you obviously wouldn't take two minutes to try and understand. You are closed-minded and hateful. You are bigoted and discriminatory. And it is people such as yourself and all the others here, and Stanton and Nicolosi and the organizations they represent, that do not accept that has caused so many deaths. The suicide rate for transgender is in the ranmge of 50 percent!! Can you possible get that? It is people like yourself that makes that so. Pat yourself on the back for those people who have left the Earth forever because of your intolerance.

Quote From: squeaker13

"What difference does it make really what gender you are? I mean sexual preference sure, people like what they like I guess. I am a woman who is attracted to men, It would not occur to me to even think of being with a woman, so I suppose that if a man felt the same way for some reason, then it would be hard to change.... but gender for the sake of gender only... like wanting to be the opposite sex just because you feel like a man or a woman? What is the point of that? For example why would a man change his gender to female, and then be a lesbian? Why would he bother to change his gender... and apart from sexual preference, what difference does it make if you are male or female? WEll other than the difference in economic opportunities. It seems to me a man getting a sex change cuts his paycheck in half, and volunteers to recieve condesending attitudes, and descrimination... even if he successfully convinced people he was a real woman. Why would anyone want to be a woman if they were not born one"

 I couldn't even force myself to finish reading your post after this last "question". I understand if you have some confusion, its understandable.  But to say that you KNOW transgendered people, and to not have any idea how CHANGING YOUR SEX could make a dfference inhow they FEEL?

My boyfriend is a woman with GID, and I refer to him ONLY as a male. I am not a lesbian, I have never been attracted to a woman, not that I feel there would be anything wrong with this if  i WAS.   He will be havinng the surgery to become a man, and I support him 110%.  His family has a hard time accepting this though. But try to put yourself in the shoes of a transgendered person.  Transgendered people, who feel and relate to the opposite sex as being THEIR sex, are usually DISGUTED with their genitals. They don't feel like they belong there. Now imagine, you are a woman, and INSIDE, you are a man. Simple things to us, like shopping for clothes, Doctors appointments, or USING A PUBLIC WASHROOM... can you imagine how much harder those things BECOME? 

So for these men and women who are placed in the wrong bodies at birth, and YES i believe that it IS possible for this to happen, a sex change will make ALL the difference in the world. YOu said yourself, that you are attracted to who you are attracted to. So My b/f is attracted to women....  that can't be changed. But he doesn't and has NEVER felt complete in the body he has been given. So what?...  to you, the answer would be "just be a lesbian?" Sometimes things aren;t that simple. People are who they are. Why would it be so bad for someone to have a sex change to feel WHOLE and be happy with their lives, probably for the first TIME in thier lives... but it is acceptable for people to go around getting breast implants and nose jobs and plastic surgeries just to feel a BIT better about themselves?

Quote From: ckaggu

I have to say that this is one show of Dr'. Phil's that was just making me angry-and unfortunately it wasn't about the issue of gender disorder as much as it was the guest, Toni, with her sarcasm and childish facial expressions. My husband and I both had the same reaction to it. It was hard to focus on the issue. However, I do agree that you should put all of your effort into "guiding" your child in acceping the identity he is born with. It is difficult to completely say unless you're in the situation I'm sure, but we do believe in the part about protecting your child. Parents have a job to protect their child and a boy going to school dressed as a girl and vice versa will cause LOTS of problems. The boy will most likely not have friends, will not be accepted by most, and that in itself will most likely cause him to have issues of depression, low self-esteem, and unacceptance and all of that in the future. So I do think it is our job as parents to guide them in the identity that they are to prevent the child from getting hurt. BUT, if the child reaches adulthood and decide that this is still something he wants to do, then at that point accept it and love him unconditionally. But do what you can up until that point. I don't think at 8 years old, you should give into your child! So as much as I agreed with points on each side, it was hard to take the side of Toni with her poor attitude. The other guest should've had a chance to talk as well and I don't feel he fully got the opportunity to explain his therapy and I'm sure there were many people, including myself, who wanted to hear it.