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Created on : Friday, October 24, 2008, 02:58:01 pm
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(Original Air Date: 10/31/08) Grounding for two months, withholding dinner, making a child stand at attention for hours or collect rocks in the hot sun … is this basic discipline, or is it too extreme? Trisha fears her husband, Rafael, is destroying their 13-year-old daughter with punishments that are too severe. Rafael says his wife forces him to be “the hammer” because she’s too lenient. Their opposing views on child discipline are putting a strain on their marriage, but what is it doing to their daughter? Hear her heartbreaking diary entries. Plus, what happened in this household that’s been swept under the carpet for far too long? Dr. Phil has a heart-to-heart chat with the teen. Have you ever wondered if your discipline tactics will have a lifelong effect on your child? Are you inadvertently crossing the line into abuse? Grade your own parenting skills with today’s show. Plus, learn discipline guidelines that will keep your children healthy and thriving. Talk about the show here.

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October 31, 2008, 5:38 pm PDT

solution to parenting`

 

I think we need to put a birth control in the water system. After people have taken stiff parenting classes and can prove that they understand and are willing to use the concepts learned, only then can they drink water without birth control and become pregnant and create a child.

 
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October 31, 2008, 6:00 pm PDT

10/31 Extreme Discipline?

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I grew up in a household where discipline consisted of the belt or grounding.  I was once grounded for a total of 6 months.  Yes it was extreme and I still bear emotion scars as a result of my childhood.  At the same time as an adult I have come to realize that my parents did the best they could with what they knew.  Discipline I feel must be dished out with a measure of love.  My own children were disciplined when needed but they never doubted for a moment that they were loved and as adults themselves that's something they often say.  I would have to say that discipline needs to be corrective not just a punnishment.  A fine line but one each parent needs to find for themselves and their child.
Sometimes a parent doing the best he or she can is not good  enough.  When I hear "I[m doing the best I can," it's usually from a parent who has never bothered to find alternatives to ineffective discipline.




 
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October 31, 2008, 6:26 pm PDT

Extreme Discipline

I'd like to see Dr. Phil look into this case of extreme discipline.  The girl was let down by the parents, child protective services, and the police.  She weighed 48 pounds when finally rescued!

 

Carnation couple plead not guilty in 14-year-old girl's starving

The father and stepmother of a 14-year-old Carnation girl who authorities said
was deprived of food and water pleaded not guilty to criminal mistreatment
Monday in King County Superior Court.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008319693_starved28m.html

 
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October 31, 2008, 6:39 pm PDT

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Trisha is a cowardly woman that knows that her child is suffering and has done nothing. Who in this world knowing that her child had been raped would not call in the authorities. The husband is cold and creepy. No love in this family!.
 
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October 31, 2008, 6:44 pm PDT

Oh please!

I agree yes she needs the love from her father, but are we really saying 6 weeks grounding for a bad grade is harsh?  Give me a break. If he knows that she can do better and she's not then she should be grounded. And if you can go outside and play for hours on end in the heat, you can go out there and pick up rocks too....that's not hurting her. And last kids love to test their parents, I did and I'm not that far from being a teen. So if your punishment was to sit on the couch until you felt like talking and I didn't feel like talking to you so I set on the couch, I did it to push you. All she had to do was say hello and hug the person that provides for her not jump through some impossible hoop. She chose not to eat he didn't deny her food. I do see where he might punish for every little thing which is wrong but these punishments are sooo far out there. But maybe I just grew up around military families. When I was 13 everything my mom did to me was unusually mean and she didn't care  and all that.  This whole thing is slightly ridiculous....and she is 13, her punishments should be different than her younger siblings.
 
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October 31, 2008, 6:46 pm PDT

Abuse

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You seem to equate a history of abuse as somehow strengthening.  I think you are the sort who would agree with  the "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger" philosophy.  What you don't seem to understand is that like a broken bone, an emotional wound needs to be healed too, otherwise we all simply walk around crippled.  I would like to think of our country as being strong and healthy, not weak and crippled.  Abuse is crippling, not strengthening.
You must be a product of the same abuse this child is being subjected to. This abuse affects the ability to trust and love. I see what it has done to you! You are crippled!
 
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October 31, 2008, 6:50 pm PDT

Damaged child

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I believe the father was non-emotional because he is still very much in denial.  I think he is walking through the paces because he thinks that is what he needs to do.  I don't think he has the self esteem to acknowledge what a huge mistake he has made and to remedy it.  It will take work before he is ever going to be able to really come to terms with what he is doing.  He may never have the strength or commitment to do so.  It is asking a huge amount of personal growth from him that he may not be able to attain given he is already middle aged.  The focus has to be on a patch fix to save the girl.

I don't know if you are male or male, you are wise!
 
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October 31, 2008, 7:26 pm PDT

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I am now 70 years old, married and the mother of 5 children. During the years up until I was 16, my father singled me out to abuse. He called me the most terrible words that I can't write them down. He was an alcoholic and would nearly beat my mother to death. My self esteem is 0 and I have lived a life of depression and fear of speaking up for my needs. I too was sexually abused (by an uncle).  I had 6 siblings and none of them were treated the way I was.  When my father would start beating my mother I would start screaming and putting myself in front of her.  I have attended many 12-step programs but it is not that easy to erase from my mind the things that happened to me. He always told me I was an ugly little bastard, that I was a worthless and the one word he used that would send chills down my mind was to call me a "cocksucker."  I was second in the family and I don't know if that means anything.  I never speak up to my husband and he just doesn't understand the depression. I have been to many counselors but my husband would never attend. Now, we only have about $1500.00 a month to live on so I am unable to afford any further counseling.  Please tell me how I can get rid of this pain and fear!!. I do take an antidepressant daily and I take something to help me sleep. These men never change. I got married at 16 to get away from this and my husband was 25. He is kind and loving (my mother picked him out for me) . My dearest mother was an angel but she had nowhere to go with 7 children.  Thank you for letting me vent this!

I'm sad that you had to endure what you did while growing up.

 

It is never too late to heal and you have tried, I can see that.  Please get and read, "Toxic Parents," by Susan Forward.  I believe this book can help you heal.

 

I send you my best wishes!

 
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October 31, 2008, 7:30 pm PDT

10/31 Extreme Discipline?

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I agree yes she needs the love from her father, but are we really saying 6 weeks grounding for a bad grade is harsh?  Give me a break. If he knows that she can do better and she's not then she should be grounded. And if you can go outside and play for hours on end in the heat, you can go out there and pick up rocks too....that's not hurting her. And last kids love to test their parents, I did and I'm not that far from being a teen. So if your punishment was to sit on the couch until you felt like talking and I didn't feel like talking to you so I set on the couch, I did it to push you. All she had to do was say hello and hug the person that provides for her not jump through some impossible hoop. She chose not to eat he didn't deny her food. I do see where he might punish for every little thing which is wrong but these punishments are sooo far out there. But maybe I just grew up around military families. When I was 13 everything my mom did to me was unusually mean and she didn't care  and all that.  This whole thing is slightly ridiculous....and she is 13, her punishments should be different than her younger siblings.

"are we really saying 6 weeks grounding for a bad grade is harsh? "

 

6 wks *is* harsh.  You're point will be well taken in 2-wks.  That's yrs to a teenager.  Throw in no cell phone or computer and you've crippled them.  6wks is too much.   I was grounded so much of my teenage yrs yrs.  I had decent grades, didn't do drugs, didn't drink, and was a virgin.  But yet my mom like this father had it in for me.  Both my brother and sister, were drinking, drugging and having sex, but not me.  They NEVER got grounded.  Nothing.  I guess someones got to be the junkyard dog huh?

 

 

 

"So if your punishment was to sit on the couch until you felt like talking and I didn't feel like talking to you so I set on the couch, I did it to push you. All she had to do was say hello and hug the person that provides for her not jump through some impossible hoop. "

 

 

Why should she want to hug ANY man?  Let alone her father who was tyrannical?  She was sexually abused.  Her parents not only didn't want to talk about it, they didn't even call the police.   Her Daddy did NOTHINGGGGG.  But make her sit on the couch because she denied him a hug and a chat.   Think about it. 

 

 

"I do see where he might punish for every little thing which is wrong but these punishments are sooo far out there. But maybe I just grew up around military families. When I was 13 everything my mom did to me was unusually mean and she didn't care  and all that".

 

 

Everything you said in this last quote, just contridicted everything you said prior.    

 

 

 

" This whole thing is slightly ridiculous....and she is 13, her punishments should be different than her younger siblings."

 

 

Except here you come back.   You were treated unfairly as well.  

 

 

 
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October 31, 2008, 7:35 pm PDT

10/31 Extreme Discipline?

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Trisha is a cowardly woman that knows that her child is suffering and has done nothing. Who in this world knowing that her child had been raped would not call in the authorities. The husband is cold and creepy. No love in this family!.
I could not agee more.  The father managed to eek out a tear, or watery eyes, in the end.  But the mother,   nothing!  No tears, no watery eyes.  How does she do that?  I saw more emotion from Casey Anthony.  Shame on this mother.  Your child is in pain, get a friggin clue lady.  Not even watery eyes.  Amazing.  
 
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