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Topic : 06/04 Grandmother vs. Mother Custody Battle

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Created on : Friday, October 31, 2008, 04:11:46 pm
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(Original Air Date: 11/04/08) Type your discussion here.How do you determine if someone is fit to be a parent? Should someone who is dependent on others for monetary help have the right to raise a child? Should someone the courts rule unfit as a parent ever be allowed to regain custody? What should you do if your parenting skills are called into question by a family member? Dr. Phil's guests are feuding mother and daughter, Barbara and Nicole, who have been battling for six years over the custody of Nicole’s son, Ethan. Barbara says she needed to take full custody of her grandson because Nicole was and is still not fit to be his mother. Barbara says she provided all the essential items when Ethan was first born, and when he needed surgery, she offered to cover the child under her health insurance. Nicole says she signed what she believed to be a temporary custody agreement to provide for her child's well-being, but says she was tricked into signing her rights away as a mother. Did Barbara have ulterior motives? Hear what Nicole's lifelong friend thinks. Then, Barbara claims her daughter broke the law to get her son back. Barbara currently has custody of the boy and claims that Nicole is a pathological liar, an inattentive parent and was living in deplorable conditions. Find out what the court documents show and what Nicole's former landlord has to say. When Dr. Phil proposes a plan for moving forward, which woman hesitates to participate? And, Nicole hasn't seen her son in more than four months. Will Barbara agree to let mother and son spend time together? Join the discussion.

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June 4, 2009, 12:38 pm PDT

06/04 Grandmother vs. Mother Custody Battle

The show is not evan over and I so infurise with this grandmother.If she is concern help her,not take away her child.I'm a grandmother and would never do this to my children.

I sure this woman just want the child.

 
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June 4, 2009, 12:43 pm PDT

06/04 Grandmother vs. Mother Custody Battle

As a mother myself, and having come from a loving family where I always had unconditional love, I cannot believe that  a mother can do this to her daughter.  If the grandmother felt that her daughter was not doing the best job possibel for her son, then she as a mother should have stayed involved in her daughter's and grandson's life  and made sure that she helped wherever she could.  It seems to me that she is cold, and unfeeling and is not the best rolemodel for the little boy.  Just because she might have money for lawyers and is able to assert her will against her daughter, does not mean that she is a fit mother to this little boy.

It seems that she wants to punish her daughter and not looking at the best interest of the child as she claims.  Obviously the grandmother already failed as a mother with her daughter, then what can we excpect from her with her grandson.  I know that the young woman may have made mistakes and is in need of help, and maybe she should not have custody of her son, however it is clear to me that the grandmother is not doing this out of concern, but out of spite for her daughter.  If she was so concerned, there is lots of ways in which she could help without keeping the boy from his mother

 
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June 4, 2009, 12:49 pm PDT

Controlling Mom

 This grandma is exactly like my mother.  Give that girl back her child.  She didn't abuse him, abandon him.  You are just a control freak and you are butting into her business.  My parents were just like you.  Buy diapers, buy food and then run around like I owed them something.  Well, you are buying things because you want to buy them.  That doesn't not make your daughter indebted to you.  A simple Thank you from your daughter is sufficient.  You are alienating the baby from his momma. 

You can just see it in your face on TV.  You are just a control freak.  You messed up raising your daughter and you think you get a second chance with your grandson.  It doesn't work that way. You should be grateful that your daughter is a kind, working, cleaning, drugfree girl. 

Support her and stop breaking her heart.  That is his mother.  How would you feel.  You are a hateful,controlling woman and it's very sad.  You remind me so much of my mother and your actions make me sick.

What you are doing to this little boy is hurting him more than his mother could ever hurt him.  Stop doing this.  That poor child should be with his mother.  Go away.  Find a hobby....take up knitting. 
 

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June 4, 2009, 12:52 pm PDT

Just Like Political Elections

Once someone is elected to office, every campaign thereafter focuses upon, 'who has the most experience in that position?' Of course the incumbent. And every election thereafter, the gap of experience widens.  No one listens to the fact the current position was once held by someone who had more experience than someone else.

The situation with Granny is the same thing:  'I can't let him go back because he's been so stable (for so long).' Every subsequent attempt to return him to the mother will be, 'well, he's been in a stable environment for a year', 'well, he's been in a stable environment for two years', blah-blah-blah.


 
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June 4, 2009, 12:55 pm PDT

As Pilate stated, "What is truth?!?"

     Obviously, it's hard to know if Nathan's mother or grandmother is being more truthful, however Nathan's mother is stating that her mother is lying, the former landlady is lying, the private detective is lying and the courts are lying!!

     Unbelievable!

     As far as her cat being an outdoor cat (for just food and water?!?), which is hard to imagine right there, when she was videoed for your show the cat was in her house.

     Not being a researcher, it's hard to substantiate, but in my general observations and from what I see on television (documentaries, local and national news, etc.) and hear on the radio, MANY (most?) young mothers these days are more than neglect in caring for and discipling their children.

     And, it is my personal belief, that many young gals, these days, want to have a child just to have a child.

     In order not to lengthen this e-note further, I'll not give my reasons (again, in my opinion) why this might be.

     Thank you for the chance to "speak out" on this issue.

                                                                                                   Nick D

 
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June 4, 2009, 12:59 pm PDT

What about the Dad or Grandfather?

I only watched the second have of the show, did Dr. Phil say anything about the dad or grandfather? It seemed to be all about the mother and grandmother.

 
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June 4, 2009, 1:04 pm PDT

Grandmother is nuts!!

I was in a similar situation where the grandparents tried to get custody of my son because his biological father didn't want him.  The grandparents made me out to be a horrible person and the court is so screwed up that it's all about who has the most money to fight.  They child is the one suffering.  The grandma needs to get a life or have her own child.  She needs to get over it and mind her own business.  Keep your money and put it towards Ethan's college.  Nicole needs to tell her mother to back off.  I would like to give Barbara a piece of my mind.

 
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June 4, 2009, 1:12 pm PDT

Odd

All I can say that there is something about Barbara I don't trust.  how can you sit there and in one frame say he calls you mom, you like it and don't correct him and then say that you never wanted to keep him from his "actual" mother?  Plus she tip toes around answering anything that has to do with getting Ethan back with Nicole.  And when she does answer, she looks like she's smirking, thinking "go ahead, it won't work anyways"

That makes no sense to me.  As far as proving she is stable, how long in a job do you want her to be?  Most jobs you need to be employed for 3 to 6 mos before they consider you full time and give you benefits, she's been there a freakin year!  She is obviously trying to maintain some sort of stability.

 
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June 4, 2009, 1:14 pm PDT

I Could Be There

My adopted daughter started acting outt 14.  She is now 24.  She is lax with birth control, she is incapable of keeping a job and has been living a lax life style loosing her last job five months ago because se wanted to go to a party.  I think she would  have had kids now if she did not l let her KNOW that I would take her child.Thank God no babies yet,  Biology is not a liscence for parenthood.  ALWAYS the best interest of the child.

 
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June 4, 2009, 1:21 pm PDT

unbelievable!

I can't believe this woman...Barbara.  I can relate to Nicole on so many levels.  I was 20 years old when found out i was pregnant.. .. too naive to ever believe it would happen to me.  I decided to have the child and not have an abortion.  My parents were disappointed in me to say the least. 
My mother had her tubes tied as soon as she gave birth to me, her youngest of three, without the consent of my father. 
Their desire to hold on to their marriage, I guess drove my parents into continually wanted to watch my child,  as long as worked for them at their restaurant.  I thought it was the right thing to do at the time.  To "help" my mother at the restaurant taking her place as manager. 
Well, little did I know that a couple of years later.  They would start a custody battle for her.  Luckily it did not end up in court.  I was so naive at the time, that i believe the same thing that happened to Nicole would have happened to me!  Absolutely ridiculous.  I stayed away from them as much as possible...even when they threatened to come knocking at my door to pick her up.  I don't know what I would have done without the support of my husband (adoptive parent of sofy).  I was an absolute emocional mess! 
To make a long story short.  I took up a job at a bank and stayed away from them and enrolled Sofy in a daycare.  Now my parents are divorced and have taken drastically different paths.  My father now has 2 baby boys with another woman and my mother a wreck.  Two years have passed now since the divorce and i guess you could say that my mother and I are much closer now than before.  Thanks to her church.  The bitterness is no longer in her personality. 
So, look up Nicole things will get better.  You are young and don't lose hope on getting your son back.  My prayers are with you and your family.
 
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