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(Original Air Date: 11/11/08) How well do you know your teenager? Could your child be participating in risky or illegal activities right under your own roof? One popular teen trend is smoking or snorting the herb salvia to get high, and some kids have posted videos of their “salvia trips” on YouTube. Rebecca says her 16-year-old son, Jerry, smokes salvia and that he’s withdrawn and failing school. Jerry wonders why his salvia use is a big deal to his mother, because he says she not only allows him to smoke in the house, but she uses salvia too! Dr. Travis Stork, host of the hit show The Doctors, gives some sobering statistics on teen salvia usage. Rebecca and Jerry both say salvia, which is legal in most states, shouldn’t be outlawed in their home state of Texas. Charles Anderson, a Texas state representative, says he’s doing everything in his power to make sure this hallucinogenic herb is banned. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, the "choking game" made headlines when it was reported that teens were dying or becoming seriously injured by strangling each other until passing out. Britt fears that her son, Kevin, may be starting a new version of this trend. Find out what it is, and watch shocking footage of Kevin engaged in this potentially deadly activity. And, sex texting or sexting is a new trend where teens send explicit photos of themselves via their cell phones. One mom says she caught her 12-year-old daughter forwarding nude photos of herself to boys and wonders what punishment she should impose. Plus, find out what you should do if you suspect your teen is involved in risky behavior. Join the discussion.

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November 10, 2008, 8:25 am CST

Teen Girl

Sadly, taking the girls phone away probably won't help.  Don't get me wrong, that is what I would do also... but she can get a friend of hers to buy her a pre-paid cell phone for her.  If she doesn't have money, she might try to convince someone else to give her one. 

 

We when through this with my neice.  We took her cell phone away.  We also took all her money and switched to pre-pay lunch... so she had no reason to have money at school.  She ended up with a pre-paid cell phone that had better features and better camera on it.  We broke that one and somehow she got another one.  You can't say we didn't watch her enough... we did, my sister (the mean one) works at the school (it is a little bitty school) and checked up on her all the time... went through her lockers while she was in class, payed attention to who she was hanging out with and everything.   

 

If she is determined to put herself out there... she will find a way.  I was rebelious when I was a kid; no matter how much my family punished or watched what I do... I found a way to do what I wasn't allowed to do. Of course back then no one had in home computers or cell phones (they were pretty new).  The stuff I did wrong was alot less dangerous, but I always found a way and kids still do the same thing. 

 

Eventhough it may not work I would still take her cell, money and privacy away in hopes that I could protect her from herself and others.  I am just saying, it may not work anyway.

 
November 10, 2008, 9:00 am CST

I agree 100%

Quote From: bitterlizard

 I see a lot of knee jerk reactions toward Salvia divinorum on this board, and I usually wouldn't post to such a sensationalistic forum, but how many people who have posted here about the dangers of this herb have actually educated themselves about it?

There are many sources online which describe the true effects of Salvia divinorum such as the potential for scientific research which might afford treatments for horrific diseases such as Alzheimers and Schizophrenia, and
other pertinent information which might be of some value to those who  are not educated about this plant.

An easy place to start would be the Wikipedia article on Salvia divininorum and the link to that article is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum


As far as "protecting the children" is concerned, did you know that the only way your child can buy this herb online is with your credit card? If your child is using your credit card, it's your responsibility to find out how and why they are using it.

Parenting is a tough job, but it's the parent's job, not the government's, and illegalizing something so potentially beneficial in stopping the progress of devastating disease, out of fear for your kids is not fair to the rest of society.

Everything is not about the children,  and if you help get this herb banned  by remaining ignorant to its medical potential, remember the adults(whose lives have value too) that could have been enriched by the research.

Please don't rely on sensationalism; educate yourselves.

I have never heard about it until now.  I researched it myself before I even made any judgements.  I still have not made any judgements because I still really don't understand all information I got about salvia because you can get it in 3 forms... dry herb, liquid and the show information said you can snort it.  All the websites I went to had dried and liquids only.  I really don't understand much about drugs anyway.

 

I also agree with this issue not being the government's responsibility. 

 

Thank you for your posting. 

 
November 10, 2008, 9:27 am CST

11/11 Risky Teen Behavior

Quote From: cyncritter

In my opinion, making a natural growing plant illegal just makes it more appealing, and marketable for a large profit. Pretty soon, if we don't address the REAL, underlying problems, we will be outlawing every herb, spice, plant, tree... and people will still be finding ways to get high with all the pharmaceuticals that most likely are always going to be prevalent.

The underlying problems today with our society, seem to me to be that no matter how much people acquire in material things, and no matter how much money they make and save and invest, most families are not satisfied or happy.

We seem to have lost the ability to make jokes and laugh; rarely does an entire family sit together around the dining table for at least one meal a day, talking about what's going on in their lives; computers and cell phones, as amazing and wonderful as they are, have become society's ways of forming and maintaining relationships, instead of really interacting on a face-to-face basis.

Obviously, I have a computer and a cell phone. I have had them for more than 15 years. I began noticing that the computer was slowly eating away at my time for doing other things, so I consciously stopped allowing it to consume time I could be using to go out with friends, cook full meals, read books and magazines, work in the yard, and etc. Now I keep the sound turned off when I'm not using it, because I don't WANT to know every time a new e-mail comes in; that's what started 'hooking' me, in the first place!

After I realized computer addiction was going to be a bigger problem if I didn't exercise self-discipline, I didn't make the same mistake with the cell phone. I have it with me for emergencies when I'm out, but it's always off and in the drawer when I'm home. If someone wants to reach me, they either call the land line, or they send an e-mail and I'll get around to answering the e-mail the next time I sit down at the computer.

I'm happier, I find, when I'm not tied to these technological wonders that have, for far too many people, become a virtual world in which we all can be anonymous and fabricate how and who we are. Honesty with one's self and with others is a skill that's being lost, because of these modern day conveniences.

And the stress of always trying to have the newest and best of everything, along with driving ourselves crazy, trying to afford and get the children to all the extra-curricular activities, while trying to maintain a gentile household wherein people actually find joy in being with each other, is another reason society is turning to ways to alter our realities.

So, until we learn to slow down, communicate with each other again, face-to-face, and stop creating the stressful situations that are causing parents and children alike to want to "escape," we won't be happy. It sets a poor example for the kids, when the parents rely on prescription drugs or alcohol to keep them going at a helter-skelter pace; so once we stop and deal with the underlying problems, there will always be another natural plant to ban because we're only treating the symptoms, not the cause.

All things in moderation... that's the best advice anyone can give and take.

My cell phone is my only phone. But, I don't use it to "visit" with people I can visit in person. The only person I "visit" with is a cousin who lives 12 hours away. I  get so sick and tired of seeing people with cell phones glued to their ears every waking moment. 

 
November 10, 2008, 9:35 am CST

11/11 Risky Teen Behavior

Quote From: cyncritter

In my opinion, making a natural growing plant illegal just makes it more appealing, and marketable for a large profit. Pretty soon, if we don't address the REAL, underlying problems, we will be outlawing every herb, spice, plant, tree... and people will still be finding ways to get high with all the pharmaceuticals that most likely are always going to be prevalent.

The underlying problems today with our society, seem to me to be that no matter how much people acquire in material things, and no matter how much money they make and save and invest, most families are not satisfied or happy.

We seem to have lost the ability to make jokes and laugh; rarely does an entire family sit together around the dining table for at least one meal a day, talking about what's going on in their lives; computers and cell phones, as amazing and wonderful as they are, have become society's ways of forming and maintaining relationships, instead of really interacting on a face-to-face basis.

Obviously, I have a computer and a cell phone. I have had them for more than 15 years. I began noticing that the computer was slowly eating away at my time for doing other things, so I consciously stopped allowing it to consume time I could be using to go out with friends, cook full meals, read books and magazines, work in the yard, and etc. Now I keep the sound turned off when I'm not using it, because I don't WANT to know every time a new e-mail comes in; that's what started 'hooking' me, in the first place!

After I realized computer addiction was going to be a bigger problem if I didn't exercise self-discipline, I didn't make the same mistake with the cell phone. I have it with me for emergencies when I'm out, but it's always off and in the drawer when I'm home. If someone wants to reach me, they either call the land line, or they send an e-mail and I'll get around to answering the e-mail the next time I sit down at the computer.

I'm happier, I find, when I'm not tied to these technological wonders that have, for far too many people, become a virtual world in which we all can be anonymous and fabricate how and who we are. Honesty with one's self and with others is a skill that's being lost, because of these modern day conveniences.

And the stress of always trying to have the newest and best of everything, along with driving ourselves crazy, trying to afford and get the children to all the extra-curricular activities, while trying to maintain a gentile household wherein people actually find joy in being with each other, is another reason society is turning to ways to alter our realities.

So, until we learn to slow down, communicate with each other again, face-to-face, and stop creating the stressful situations that are causing parents and children alike to want to "escape," we won't be happy. It sets a poor example for the kids, when the parents rely on prescription drugs or alcohol to keep them going at a helter-skelter pace; so once we stop and deal with the underlying problems, there will always be another natural plant to ban because we're only treating the symptoms, not the cause.

All things in moderation... that's the best advice anyone can give and take.

If we banned every substance that could harm someone, we'd all starve to death, with nothing to eat
Some people are allergic to peanuts.
Some people are allergic to tree nuts.
Some people are allergic to eggs.
Some people are allergic to milk.
Some people are allergic to strawberries.
Some people are allergic to...
 
November 10, 2008, 10:28 am CST

RiskyBehaviour-sending nude cell photos

The mother needs to get rid of the cell with the camera and get the daughter a plain phone, put a block on the cell service for text messages also if she can. 
 
November 10, 2008, 11:01 am CST

a message unlike others?

Why may celebrities be praised and placed on the cover for nude pics, while those under 18 are considered "risky" and "immature".  What special magic accompanies nudity and sex once the clock strikes eighteen?

I believe that the law says that, if young people have parents' permission, then they may even make a book of their nudes, and sell those nudes nationally, and even internationally.  Bookstores, coast to coast, prove that.  Nudity is God's own sculpture; and, why try to cover it up like it's from the devil?

I'm just talking about Art, here, not the age of consent.  That's another topic for another day.

A couple of  law enforcement agencies in our country have the theory that nudity of those under eighteen is "child porn" and that the self conscious teens who send it to their friends are trafficing in child porn.  The theory says that teens shouild be arrested as child porn pornographers, labeled "sex offenders" and not be able even to hold or see their own babies, until babies grow up to be eighteen.

How unlike love is this society going to be allowed to get?

The answer: We, together, will decide that, as Americans.


 
November 10, 2008, 11:17 am CST

I totally agree

Quote From: cyncritter

In my opinion, making a natural growing plant illegal just makes it more appealing, and marketable for a large profit. Pretty soon, if we don't address the REAL, underlying problems, we will be outlawing every herb, spice, plant, tree... and people will still be finding ways to get high with all the pharmaceuticals that most likely are always going to be prevalent.

The underlying problems today with our society, seem to me to be that no matter how much people acquire in material things, and no matter how much money they make and save and invest, most families are not satisfied or happy.

We seem to have lost the ability to make jokes and laugh; rarely does an entire family sit together around the dining table for at least one meal a day, talking about what's going on in their lives; computers and cell phones, as amazing and wonderful as they are, have become society's ways of forming and maintaining relationships, instead of really interacting on a face-to-face basis.

Obviously, I have a computer and a cell phone. I have had them for more than 15 years. I began noticing that the computer was slowly eating away at my time for doing other things, so I consciously stopped allowing it to consume time I could be using to go out with friends, cook full meals, read books and magazines, work in the yard, and etc. Now I keep the sound turned off when I'm not using it, because I don't WANT to know every time a new e-mail comes in; that's what started 'hooking' me, in the first place!

After I realized computer addiction was going to be a bigger problem if I didn't exercise self-discipline, I didn't make the same mistake with the cell phone. I have it with me for emergencies when I'm out, but it's always off and in the drawer when I'm home. If someone wants to reach me, they either call the land line, or they send an e-mail and I'll get around to answering the e-mail the next time I sit down at the computer.

I'm happier, I find, when I'm not tied to these technological wonders that have, for far too many people, become a virtual world in which we all can be anonymous and fabricate how and who we are. Honesty with one's self and with others is a skill that's being lost, because of these modern day conveniences.

And the stress of always trying to have the newest and best of everything, along with driving ourselves crazy, trying to afford and get the children to all the extra-curricular activities, while trying to maintain a gentile household wherein people actually find joy in being with each other, is another reason society is turning to ways to alter our realities.

So, until we learn to slow down, communicate with each other again, face-to-face, and stop creating the stressful situations that are causing parents and children alike to want to "escape," we won't be happy. It sets a poor example for the kids, when the parents rely on prescription drugs or alcohol to keep them going at a helter-skelter pace; so once we stop and deal with the underlying problems, there will always be another natural plant to ban because we're only treating the symptoms, not the cause.

All things in moderation... that's the best advice anyone can give and take.

Our nation already incarcerates more people  than China - that's not per capita - that's the actual human being count. Our nation's prisons are bursting at the seams because of a rediculous prohibition of an herb - are we going to build more prisons to hold saliva users, now? There is a need for discussion, yes - but this looks like hysterical propaganda already.

 
November 10, 2008, 11:25 am CST

What the world needs

I can't understand how any parent can not be in tune to what their child is doing? I know there are a lot of single parents today and even my friends that are single parents are on top of what their teens are doing day to day. I am a stay at home mom and my teen is with me every minute that he isn't at school or church. We talk everyday about the things going on in his life and I would never want to smoke something for myself knowing that some things just are not meant for our bodies so why would a parent want that for their child? Just because something is natural doesn't mean we should find a way to abuse our body or mind with it. As for the cell phone and the 12 yr old....look at how we allow little girls to dress these days and you want to turn around and say don't pose naked for the camara??? We even have a deacon's daughter of our church that wears the shortest shorts and skirts I have ever seen, no I would not be shocked to see her pose nude. You should see the shorts her mom wears. Why are parents not putting limits on the clothing and setting an example anymore? We all know why parents buy these very expensive toys for their kids and the kids are doing exactly what they beleive is ok to do with it. My child earns what ever he may get such as games, phones, computer etc...and my child knows up front what the consequences are for violating the rules. We spend time with our child and we are together as a family every single day of our lives. I know not all parents can do that. They can keep up with their kids and set an example for them though and have them around people that live by the same standards. I know some parents that just let their kids run wild and don't care what they are up too. Parents that do care need to show it, and even single parents can talk to their kids and keep them in line. There is no excuse really, just a lot of parents are never accountable for anything so there goes the kids as well.
 
November 10, 2008, 12:07 pm CST

11/11 Risky Teen Behavior

I find it very ignorant that people come on the message boards and say "quick, let's ban this plant!"
These people have never used the plant, they know nothing about it apart from some scare tactics on the news and some moronic parent on the Dr.  Phil show.  Think about this, do you think you'd lobbying to ban it if you were in Mexico receiving healing from a Shaman that was chewing Salvia Divinorum?  I don't even understand how someone can get bad grades by smoking Salvia, it only affects you for a few minutes.  Anyway, I have a few quotes from people that have been enriched from Salvia.

Salvia influenced a man to enroll in a PhD program in Cognitive Science.
source:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=53605

A man was depressed and Salvia changed his perception of reality and gave him a more positive outlook on life. 
Quote:
'I’m alive and here and this is great, I shouldn't feel depressed and sad, everything is apart of everything and no one is ever alone, life is fun and full of experiences, I'm just in a low point and it will get better. How can you enjoy the sun if it never rains?"
source:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=24581

There is plent of anecdotal evidence similar to these.  I'm not saying it can't be abused, but alcohol, tobacco, guns, kitchen knives, nutmeg, etc can be abused too.  Salvia Divinorum helped me in similar ways with depression and anxiety.  My doctor once recommended going on anti-depressants and I currently take no medication, and Salvia played a roll in shifting my perspective on life to a more positive and rewarding one.  Salvia is thousands of times safer, less toxic and less addictive than something legal like alcohol.  Banning Salvia is just as silly as banning the human brain for containing the powerful hallucinogen 5-meo dimehthyltryptamine. 
 
November 10, 2008, 2:45 pm CST

Are you kidding me?

Quote From: mattbaumann777

I find it very ignorant that people come on the message boards and say "quick, let's ban this plant!"
These people have never used the plant, they know nothing about it apart from some scare tactics on the news and some moronic parent on the Dr.  Phil show.  Think about this, do you think you'd lobbying to ban it if you were in Mexico receiving healing from a Shaman that was chewing Salvia Divinorum?  I don't even understand how someone can get bad grades by smoking Salvia, it only affects you for a few minutes.  Anyway, I have a few quotes from people that have been enriched from Salvia.

Salvia influenced a man to enroll in a PhD program in Cognitive Science.
source:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=53605

A man was depressed and Salvia changed his perception of reality and gave him a more positive outlook on life. 
Quote:
'Im alive and here and this is great, I shouldn't feel depressed and sad, everything is apart of everything and no one is ever alone, life is fun and full of experiences, I'm just in a low point and it will get better. How can you enjoy the sun if it never rains?"
source:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=24581

There is plent of anecdotal evidence similar to these.  I'm not saying it can't be abused, but alcohol, tobacco, guns, kitchen knives, nutmeg, etc can be abused too.  Salvia Divinorum helped me in similar ways with depression and anxiety.  My doctor once recommended going on anti-depressants and I currently take no medication, and Salvia played a roll in shifting my perspective on life to a more positive and rewarding one.  Salvia is thousands of times safer, less toxic and less addictive than something legal like alcohol.  Banning Salvia is just as silly as banning the human brain for containing the powerful hallucinogen 5-meo dimehthyltryptamine. 

  Before they legalize Salvia (Saliva? Ugh) shouldn't they legalize pot first? There has been more investigation into the benefits and harmful effects of this natural growing plant than there has been on salvia as far as I know. At least Marijuana has been "Proven" to help people who are suffering with the effects of cancer and also for others who are disabled in other ways. Yet so far this is still illegal in most states, and illegal completely with the federal government. But you feel salvia shouldn't be banned until further studies can be done on it?

  Well, since you are a user of this "herb" then I guess you would feel that way. I really have nothing else to say about this to you because I know it would be like trying to talk to a stop sign. Why bother?

 
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