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(Original Air Date: 11/11/08) How well do you know your teenager? Could your child be participating in risky or illegal activities right under your own roof? One popular teen trend is smoking or snorting the herb salvia to get high, and some kids have posted videos of their “salvia trips” on YouTube. Rebecca says her 16-year-old son, Jerry, smokes salvia and that he’s withdrawn and failing school. Jerry wonders why his salvia use is a big deal to his mother, because he says she not only allows him to smoke in the house, but she uses salvia too! Dr. Travis Stork, host of the hit show The Doctors, gives some sobering statistics on teen salvia usage. Rebecca and Jerry both say salvia, which is legal in most states, shouldn’t be outlawed in their home state of Texas. Charles Anderson, a Texas state representative, says he’s doing everything in his power to make sure this hallucinogenic herb is banned. What does Dr. Phil think? Then, the "choking game" made headlines when it was reported that teens were dying or becoming seriously injured by strangling each other until passing out. Britt fears that her son, Kevin, may be starting a new version of this trend. Find out what it is, and watch shocking footage of Kevin engaged in this potentially deadly activity. And, sex texting or sexting is a new trend where teens send explicit photos of themselves via their cell phones. One mom says she caught her 12-year-old daughter forwarding nude photos of herself to boys and wonders what punishment she should impose. Plus, find out what you should do if you suspect your teen is involved in risky behavior. Join the discussion.

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November 10, 2008, 2:55 pm CST

Im torn on salvia

Im 19 and I've done salvia about 12 or so times. The experience is unexplainable. I dont believe salvia would make you do any thing like make you enroll in a school or do anything wierd like that.

 

I say this because if you do salvia correctly you use a waterpipe (bong) and a torch lighter. After taking the hit you hold it in as long as you can. The salvia hits you imediately. You realize your starting to trip and then reality is gone. Your in a whole differnent dimension where everthing you see is completly,,,, wrong.. Thats the only way i can describe it.

 

I'd say that it is fun once you get your mind back and when you get your body back in the room where your sitting but during the time where your completely tripping,, there is no reality. Its really scary.

 

Before doing it,  i've tried to tell myself that after i take the hit i will remember that im on salvia and to relax but once the salvia takes effect, everything goes nuts and panic kind of takes effect.

 

I've done acid and salvia was WAY more intense,, no questions asked. At least with acid i can somewhat function. But with salvia you are no longer in your body, your somewhere else.

 

I wouldnt make it illegal tho. Just be responsible. IT lasts for such a short time.

Any queston from someone with experience?

Nick

 
November 10, 2008, 2:56 pm CST

What children are up to....................

Quote From: philfan3

Why may celebrities be praised and placed on the cover for nude pics, while those under 18 are considered "risky" and "immature".  What special magic accompanies nudity and sex once the clock strikes eighteen?

I believe that the law says that, if young people have parents' permission, then they may even make a book of their nudes, and sell those nudes nationally, and even internationally.  Bookstores, coast to coast, prove that.  Nudity is God's own sculpture; and, why try to cover it up like it's from the devil?

I'm just talking about Art, here, not the age of consent.  That's another topic for another day.

A couple of  law enforcement agencies in our country have the theory that nudity of those under eighteen is "child porn" and that the self conscious teens who send it to their friends are trafficing in child porn.  The theory says that teens shouild be arrested as child porn pornographers, labeled "sex offenders" and not be able even to hold or see their own babies, until babies grow up to be eighteen.

How unlike love is this society going to be allowed to get?

The answer: We, together, will decide that, as Americans.


Do you actually have ANY idea of what 12 year old's are up to nowadays? They are giving BJ's to keep their virginity. This is their way to have sex, keep their little boyfriend happy, and try to tell themselves that they are still a virgin. Doesn't that bother you? There has got to be parameters set. Children need to be children as long as they can, they will still have the rest of their lives, many years, in which to show their bodies and partake in adult behavior. I must admit I miss the old days when a 12 year old was still a 12 year old. A kid! Truly do they really need to grow up any faster?
 
November 10, 2008, 2:57 pm CST

11/11 Risky Teen Behavior

Quote From: jewelsf

  Before they legalize Salvia (Saliva? Ugh) shouldn't they legalize pot first? There has been more investigation into the benefits and harmful effects of this natural growing plant than there has been on salvia as far as I know. At least Marijuana has been "Proven" to help people who are suffering with the effects of cancer and also for others who are disabled in other ways. Yet so far this is still illegal in most states, and illegal completely with the federal government. But you feel salvia shouldn't be banned until further studies can be done on it?

  Well, since you are a user of this "herb" then I guess you would feel that way. I really have nothing else to say about this to you because I know it would be like trying to talk to a stop sign. Why bother?

Salvia is legal
 
November 10, 2008, 3:00 pm CST

Yes, I have some questions...................

Quote From: gotboost

Im 19 and I've done salvia about 12 or so times. The experience is unexplainable. I dont believe salvia would make you do any thing like make you enroll in a school or do anything wierd like that.

 

I say this because if you do salvia correctly you use a waterpipe (bong) and a torch lighter. After taking the hit you hold it in as long as you can. The salvia hits you imediately. You realize your starting to trip and then reality is gone. Your in a whole differnent dimension where everthing you see is completly,,,, wrong.. Thats the only way i can describe it.

 

I'd say that it is fun once you get your mind back and when you get your body back in the room where your sitting but during the time where your completely tripping,, there is no reality. Its really scary.

 

Before doing it,  i've tried to tell myself that after i take the hit i will remember that im on salvia and to relax but once the salvia takes effect, everything goes nuts and panic kind of takes effect.

 

I've done acid and salvia was WAY more intense,, no questions asked. At least with acid i can somewhat function. But with salvia you are no longer in your body, your somewhere else.

 

I wouldnt make it illegal tho. Just be responsible. IT lasts for such a short time.

Any queston from someone with experience?

Nick

What kind of studies have been done on this to see what the long term effects are? And I mean the type that is done by the FDA before they can approve a drug before it hits the market. They know what the pro's and con's of pot are, but what do they know about salvia?
 
November 10, 2008, 3:05 pm CST

11/11 Risky Teen Behavior

Quote From: jewelsf

What kind of studies have been done on this to see what the long term effects are? And I mean the type that is done by the FDA before they can approve a drug before it hits the market. They know what the pro's and con's of pot are, but what do they know about salvia?

No side effects except possibly on mood, i guess if you had a bad trip or good trip


And as far as i have found the fda has not approved consumption of it

 
November 10, 2008, 6:38 pm CST

Don't "turn off" scientific research with Salvia


No one would argue with reasonable controls on underage usage of any and all mind altering substance, but, in the case of Salvia, throwing out the baby with the bathwater  would be a  major tragedy.  Many creative and accomplished researchers are finding in Salvia a portal to a state of powerfully expanded consciousness. This experience is so profound as to be, literally, a landmark  breakthrough on how we can more effectively implement  the creative process, as well as a much enhanced  ability to explore our humanity and spirituality.  To prohibit the the use of Salvia for adults  would be a serious blow to such explorations for which, in the long haul, mankind would be the poorer for it.
L.S. 
Professor Emeritus, CSUN
 
November 10, 2008, 8:10 pm CST

Oi, Nineteen-year-old Psychedelic user here.

Quote From: jewelsf

What kind of studies have been done on this to see what the long term effects are? And I mean the type that is done by the FDA before they can approve a drug before it hits the market. They know what the pro's and con's of pot are, but what do they know about salvia?
Almost ZERO studies have been done on salvia. No negative long-term effects have been shown at all. It is psychologically jarring, as any psychedelic or dissociative is. However, this jarring only lasts about an hour and is gone.

I have used Acid(LSD-25, Lysergic Acid Diethylamide), psilocybe mushrooms, salvia divinorum, DXM, marijuana and MDMA. Salvia is, by far, my most intense experience. That isn't to say that it isn't beneficial though. Unfortunately, it's catching a lot of flack right now because people that don't understand it are using it anyways. Salvia Divinorum has been used by Mazatec Indians of Central America for Shamanic ceremonies for thousands of years. Salvia also happens to be the most humbling substance I've run into.

You think you're hardcore for having dropped acid until you take a single hit of this and realize that you're just human. That isn't even mentioning the spiritual aspect of it. The complete beauty, euphoria and horror of become nothing, then everything, then every single particle of everything, totally unaware of your own physical existence. Losing all touch with reality truly shows you the void. The oneness that we're all a part of. Now, anyone that says I'm BSing on this- I strongly suggest you relook your views. Studies in the 70's were done with LSD that likened the experience to strong religious experiences from the bible. These results were verified by top Theologians at the time.

Psychedelics can be wonderful tools for growth, self-discovery, spirituality and realization of how beautiful this existence is. Now, that isn't to go without saying that you should NEVER turn your back on a drug. Never forget ANYTHING'S potency. Otherwise, you may end up somewhere you never want to be and never want to go back to again.
 
November 10, 2008, 9:01 pm CST

Everything is a part of everything.

Quote From: jewelsf

  Before they legalize Salvia (Saliva? Ugh) shouldn't they legalize pot first? There has been more investigation into the benefits and harmful effects of this natural growing plant than there has been on salvia as far as I know. At least Marijuana has been "Proven" to help people who are suffering with the effects of cancer and also for others who are disabled in other ways. Yet so far this is still illegal in most states, and illegal completely with the federal government. But you feel salvia shouldn't be banned until further studies can be done on it?

  Well, since you are a user of this "herb" then I guess you would feel that way. I really have nothing else to say about this to you because I know it would be like trying to talk to a stop sign. Why bother?

Ya of course I believe Salvia Divinorum should remain legal.  I think marijuana should legal too.  I have many reasons behind my opinion.
First, like marijuana, Salvia helps people.  In the Sierra Mazatec regions of MExico, many people use Salvia for healing, seeing the spirit world, stomach problems, other forms of illness, and finding lost objects.  Keeping it legal in Mexico lets people continue to use it responsibly for positive gains.
Secondly, Salvia Divinorum changes a person's perspective and in most cases decreases their interest in doing street drugs such as cocaine, meth, crack, heroin, etc. 
Third, an unprecdented number of people claim Salvia Divinorum helps them with conditions such as depression and anxiety disorders.  In some cases it works better than their medication.  Instead of masking the symptoms, it gets to the root of the problem.
Fourth, there's no reason to think the active chemical in Salvia -  Salvinorin A is bad while we have an equally as potent hallucinogen in our brains - 5 meo Dmt.  Theyr'e quite similar in effect, so why say one is good and one is bad? 
Lastly, the government shouldn't be impeding your freedom of choice and telling you what you can and can't injest.  I don't think it should be sold to minors, but I believe adults should have the choice.  It's better that people purchase Salvia from a company, especially because the product people smoke is usually a fortified leaf extract.  The alternative is that people will go to drug dealers and who knows what they'll be getting.  I don't agree with locking people up for posessing Salvia.  It's a health issue, not a criminal issue.  Plus, how are cops going to tell the difference between Salvia Divinorum or Salvia Speldnens or Salvia Officinalis?  Most Salvia plants look interchangable. 
If you think talking to me would be like talking to a stop sign, tell me why you disagree with me and bring up some valid points.  I've displayed ways in which Salvia helps people, not unlike marijuana.  I'd say curing depression and inspiring people to pursue a PHD level education is a positive attribute.  I'm interested to hear your opinion on the matter.
 
November 11, 2008, 2:14 am CST

You say "No side effects"...................

Quote From: gotboost

No side effects except possibly on mood, i guess if you had a bad trip or good trip


And as far as i have found the fda has not approved consumption of it

  Are you saying that studies have been done to prove this? To be honest, I can't knock a drug that I know nothing about. I am not that narrow minded. But now that I am an adult and my drug "experimenting" days are long gone, I use much more caution before I put anything into my body that I don't know what the potential long term side effects are.

  Do you remember that diet drug that was so popular a few years back that used a "natural" herb in it? The one that was pulled from the shelves because it was found to cause death from heart attacks, etc.? Then a person needs to think about the possibility of addiction. I have no idea if there is any physical dependency that can be brought on by this but, there is always the possibility of a mental dependency. With pot there has been some debate as to the addictive qualities, it "is" addictive, but whether it's mental or physical is up for debate still. Pot is also natural but does in fact have lasting consequences to it if used long enough. For a long time I really didn't believe this but now I know it is a fact.

  I'm not really saying anything about salvia one way or the other, like I said I don't know anything about it. As a matter of fact this is the first time I've even heard of it. But I would like to know what kind of harm, if any, could come to someone who uses it. I will try to watch the show and see what they have to say and also look into it on the Internet. In the meantime though, if I were younger and wanting to experiment, I would be wary of something that I didn't really know much about. Maybe that is the mature adult in me?

 
November 11, 2008, 2:58 am CST

Yes, I would like to talk about it also...........

Quote From: mattbaumann777

Ya of course I believe Salvia Divinorum should remain legal.  I think marijuana should legal too.  I have many reasons behind my opinion.
First, like marijuana, Salvia helps people.  In the Sierra Mazatec regions of MExico, many people use Salvia for healing, seeing the spirit world, stomach problems, other forms of illness, and finding lost objects.  Keeping it legal in Mexico lets people continue to use it responsibly for positive gains.
Secondly, Salvia Divinorum changes a person's perspective and in most cases decreases their interest in doing street drugs such as cocaine, meth, crack, heroin, etc. 
Third, an unprecdented number of people claim Salvia Divinorum helps them with conditions such as depression and anxiety disorders.  In some cases it works better than their medication.  Instead of masking the symptoms, it gets to the root of the problem.
Fourth, there's no reason to think the active chemical in Salvia -  Salvinorin A is bad while we have an equally as potent hallucinogen in our brains - 5 meo Dmt.  Theyr'e quite similar in effect, so why say one is good and one is bad? 
Lastly, the government shouldn't be impeding your freedom of choice and telling you what you can and can't injest.  I don't think it should be sold to minors, but I believe adults should have the choice.  It's better that people purchase Salvia from a company, especially because the product people smoke is usually a fortified leaf extract.  The alternative is that people will go to drug dealers and who knows what they'll be getting.  I don't agree with locking people up for posessing Salvia.  It's a health issue, not a criminal issue.  Plus, how are cops going to tell the difference between Salvia Divinorum or Salvia Speldnens or Salvia Officinalis?  Most Salvia plants look interchangable. 
If you think talking to me would be like talking to a stop sign, tell me why you disagree with me and bring up some valid points.  I've displayed ways in which Salvia helps people, not unlike marijuana.  I'd say curing depression and inspiring people to pursue a PHD level education is a positive attribute.  I'm interested to hear your opinion on the matter.

  I will apologize for not giving you the credit that you deserve and saying that it would be like talking to a "stop sign". You have actually replied in a manner that I didn't expect. Maybe I'm somewhat jaded by drug users because I have a niece who is a meth addict.

  Personally I do believe that pot should be legalized and taxed. I would be all for that although I do not smoke it myself. I also strongly feel that it should be allowed for medicinal purposes without someone having to worry about being prosecuted. Pot has been proven to relieve many health problems, the most serious being cancer of course.

  Salvia is new to me. I have never even heard of it before I read the topic of this show. I honestly can't say what the pros and cons would be about this drug because of that. I would like to see pharmaceutical companies and the FDA investigate this so I could be better educated. I'm sorry but I can't make any reliable judgments just from hearing about what it has done for others. I feel that is an honest and fair comment.

  I do want to address the point of having similar chemicals produced in our brains. A debate could be raised about this. As I am sure you know our brains produce many chemicals that mimic others such as morphine, and there are drugs that work on the serotonin levels as well. It doesn't necessarily mean that we should be supplementing these on our own without a doctor's guidance. And actually some of these can cause some very serious and harmful effects. Now granted meth isn't a natural substance but is has been proven that when used it floods the serotonin levels in the brain, which in turn makes the user feel euphoric and loved. But when the user tries to stop, they are never able to recapture that "normal" level of serotonin again and it is almost impossible for them to ever be able to cope, feel happiness, etc. because of this. I have really given a short hand version of this process but I hope you get the point.

  I'm open to the possibility that it may have some healing effects to it similar to pot, but personally I don't believe that a person uses this and is able to find their "inner" self and inspires others to pursue higher education. Couldn't someone come to that conclusion on their own with some deep thinking or even meditation? As to it's ability to cure anxiety disorders, I'm not too sure what I believe. I would be very interested in learning what the pharmaceutical companies could learn from this.

 
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