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From the outside they appear to be a perfect couple – successful, affluent and respected in the community. But behind closed doors, Jake and Donna’s knock-down, drag-out fights are driving them to the brink of divorce. Donna says that Jake’s abusive temper ranges from terrible verbal insults, to threatening to push her over a second-story railing, to waving a gun around! Though his apologies come with elaborate gifts, Donna says she just wants the abuse to end. Meanwhile, Jake says Donna is controlling, in the marriage for the money and cold to their adopted 7-year-old daughters.  What does the rest of the family think? You may be surprised by what Jake’s stepdaughter has to say. See how this couple’s constant power struggle is crippling their 20-year marriage. Can they cease their battle for control and rebuild their union,or will they both walk away losers? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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November 21, 2008, 8:02 am PST

They Should Split Up

This couple should split up.  It is pretty apparent that they don't like or respect each other.  They should split their assets (as would be required under California state law) and he should keep the remaining kids at home, which appear to be the twins. She isn't close to them and they fear her.   She might get spousal support for a year.  As far as I know, there is no alimony in the State of California.

Also, there is one thing that Dr. Phil said about meeting couples he formerly counseled after their divorce, how they looked and felt great, etc--and, had they only got in shape while married, their marriages might have been saved.

Dr. Phil, the reason they look and feel great is because they are out of the excruciating punishment of a miserable marriage.  It isn't as if being in shape will make someone like who you are inside any more or less.  However, getting an invalidating person out of one's life can provide tons of inspiration to look and feel well--and the realization that life can be fun again can be pretty darned exillerating!



 
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November 21, 2008, 8:30 am PST

a..brother???

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   I am at war with my spouse in the same manner accept I have M.P.D. on top of it. I have 26  personalities that get in the way of me trying to keep the peace.If there are any suggestions please enlighten me.Our marriage of 16 years was great up until 4 years ago. Then all hell broke loose when I was triggered by my brother whom I hadn't seen in years.I started having flashbacks I didn't know I was having but my family told me I was going through something but they didn't know what. I have become crazy.One minute I am calm the next I am a raven lunatic. I love my husband and my kids and I don't want to lose them but sometimes I get so I can't take it anymore and become a harm to myself. I want nothing more than to have my life back the way it was 4 years ago when I was part of a whole now I'm just a fractured mind trying to hold things together.

forgive the intrusion here...but how is it that reuniting with a brother you have not seen in years about to destroy your marriage..???...this makes no sense to me...who has your power, your brother?...or your husband?...how about this...KEEP IT for yourself..

..not knowing your situation, I will say that one way to dismiss your new-found chaos is a simple decision..thnk of your brother as once-removed...your CHILDREN deserve their mother back...if you thin about it, this is also abusive and they are innocent vitims here...

in my view...

 
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November 21, 2008, 8:33 am PST

GOTTA LIKE THAT!!!

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This couple should split up.  It is pretty apparent that they don't like or respect each other.  They should split their assets (as would be required under California state law) and he should keep the remaining kids at home, which appear to be the twins. She isn't close to them and they fear her.   She might get spousal support for a year.  As far as I know, there is no alimony in the State of California.

Also, there is one thing that Dr. Phil said about meeting couples he formerly counseled after their divorce, how they looked and felt great, etc--and, had they only got in shape while married, their marriages might have been saved.

Dr. Phil, the reason they look and feel great is because they are out of the excruciating punishment of a miserable marriage.  It isn't as if being in shape will make someone like who you are inside any more or less.  However, getting an invalidating person out of one's life can provide tons of inspiration to look and feel well--and the realization that life can be fun again can be pretty darned exillerating!



Ha!!..Absolutely!...the reason they look good and feel great IS because...they have regained their self-esteem...isn't it crazy??...why is it one two peple cannot see...there are milions of others out there...chances are, you'll like a whole bunch of them...
 
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November 21, 2008, 8:43 am PST

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I was there. Only one child instead of 7. And I worked. But listening to every day that your a piece of crap. Too stupid to do anything with your life. Fat. Ugly. Not worth anything. Then he starts getting physical. It starts with threatening to hit. Physicially pushing you.  And it does become about control. You want some control over your life. Over how you feel about yourself. But when you do... Watch out. That's when he really gets pissed.

But you love this person. He would never lie to you. And others in your past have done the same. So the problem can't be him. He must be right. You live it day and night...

I just got out of that relationship. Not because I wanted to. Because he did. He had an affair. He hit our son. He lost our house.

And to watch him ignore our son. To loose interest in even him...

And to see the person you love. The person you have given your very being to look at you with HATE and RAGE...

It kills you.

It's not about HIM. It's not about HER. It's not who did what wrong. You admit it, you face it, you apologize, THEN YOU CHANGE IT!

Now, if someone could tell me how....

...you already are...it starts with a decision...I have a 13 yr old also...my husband would get so angry at me, when I refused to partake of arguement he would commandeer our daughter...

...for me, I only had to see this twice...once, a year and a half ago...and once 5 weeks ago...I will NEVER forget my child's face as he was berating her...NEVER...I jumped in, threw him out, and all it took was a mental decision...I did bring a child into this world to endure abuse...I don't care what it takes, it will NOT occur when there is choice...'

I applaud YOU...focus on your child...THINK!!!...I want my child to KNOW..I did EVERYTHING I COULD DO on this earth to insure her happiness and safety...I AM A MOTHER FIRST AND FOREMOST!!

 
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November 21, 2008, 8:47 am PST

Controller..???.if the shoe fits..

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Shows like this make my blood boil. I CHOOSE work 110 hours/week. I have too much self pride...

So Donna has been divorced 2 times before, and now as she is JOBLESS the 3rd marriage around, why is GODS ***** name does he pay for 'domestic support?" What in the hell does this Donna do? Dude kick her out now, get divorced, shes got nothing to offer, does nothing, that will wake her up quick. Its ok she will move back into her parents home....

Wow shes PATHETIC! yes you DONNA!
This show most DEFINITELY brought out the controller in you, didn't it??...All of your posts when read together, well...sound a it like a pot callin' the kettle.....perhaps that is why you are so angry, dude...I would bet your wife...feels extremely 'controlled'...you know what thy say...it's like you are looking in a irror sometimes, hm??
 
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November 21, 2008, 8:57 am PST

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I just wanted to comment on your "black outs" . When I began reading your post the first thought that came into my head was "this sounds like my brother in law". He was having black outs and a few other odd symptoms, sometimes at work while he was on heavy equipment. He ended up seeing a neurologist and had a lot of tests done, even a sleep test. The tests proved that he has a sleep disorder and sleep apnea. He now has to sleep with oxygen, and is no longer able to work. I figure that you already know all about this, more than I do, but I just wanted to bring up the similarities and the fact that this may not be as unusual as I thought.

 

I'll give an example of something that happened during a blackout: While on the job he was driving a 10 pallet forklift (which is huge and dangerous) and moving a load of lettuce from the chilling tube to the cold room for storage. A little while later he was asked where that load had gone to and he told them it was where it was supposed to be, (he really believed that and named the area) they looked again and it wasn't there. After awhile they found this load in an entirely different cold room and he had absolutely no idea or memory of ever going in there. He went to the ER immediately because we were all concerned that he had a stroke. Luckily he didn't but he was diagnosed with a sleep disorder. This happened to him so many times that he had to quit working for good. He also can no longer drive.

That sounds a lot like my problem. I loose things and can't remember putting them away, but when I look they are usually in a logical place. I do not have apnea and if I had the doctors might not have looked fruther. My doctors were just slow to take off my equipment when they noticed my brain waves showed I was asleep, and I was physically awake. They kept me the rest of the day and observed and played games with me. I didn't know what they had found of course till the next Dr. Visit. Anyway if your brother in law is like me they wouldn't have noticed it cause they would think the apnea explained everything. I know a lot of people with apnea though, and I don't think it explains any of your brother in law's problems.

 

In any case the meds for this condition didn't work well for me. Once my initial attack was over I discontinued them. I tried treating myself herbally and that worked better than the prescribed meds, but the problem with a condition like this is that there are times I just don't have the energy to care, and so I forget, and can't find, don't buy my medication... especially the herbal stuff. I don't need it all the time, and though a simple energy product helps I don't always take it.

 

The doctor put me on Concerta (like Ritlin) I didn't like what it did to my psyche. Due to other problems I had, I considered it wasn't a good idea. I get relief with Gensing, Suma, or Rocket Fuel. Any intense energy product works to a degree. Last time I tried Cran Energy juice with some success. This time I have been sick other than being exhausted, and hated to take an energy product considering I really shouldn't be too active anyway. IT drives me crazy to have to rest when I am on some of these products.

 

My other problem, or really not a problem, more of a situation is that I am multiple. I consider him a gift not a problem. I haven't always understood about my other self, but I've always had him. I am multiple, but we operated so closely that it has never been a problem till I got sick after my daughter was born. Before and after the birth, I had a lot of stress, my husband was being a pain in the butt, and we had a lot of financial problems. I had a difficult delivery, and nearly bled to death. I really think I might have died on the table, and I was OBE for a long time... but I didn't tell anyone. I've always been trippy and seen things, and I have always hid it. When I have experiences I can't explain I really don't try to tell people about them. I've been covering for visionary experiences all my life. I do know that I was aware of being in heaven for many years after this happened. I was also intermitantly aware of being here, and since then it has been a gradual transition into my own body.

 

Now I do not consider multiplicity a disorder, and I never had blackouts till my second child was born, though he has always been with me. The drugs did cause problems with my multiplicity though. My other self reacted strongly to the speed (concerta). He became very talkative, and I of course couldn't control what he said, even when I was aware of it. It was really uncomfortable to him because he just talked and talked and couldn't stop. I stopped taking the meds after a year. What he said was OK but he was like any person on an over dose of speed, chattery and nervous. I felt OK and just awake for a change. It really didn't impact my side of the persona at all. We becaome co-aware during that time though, instead of him running things. I think the speed woke me up, but it didnt' make me feel a lot better, It hit him harder and he was a nervous wreck. I got minimal results and needed a higher dose, while he became overly hyper at least in speaking. Neither one of us felt like being hyper physically.

 

HE never wanted to take over my life. He only  took over when I couldn't go on. He could barely function within my exhausted body, but he functioned more than I was able to. In the two years between giving birth and getting ritlin, he said the effects were like being on drugs... I mean before the speed. my mental state was like being on morphine. I had no tolerance to that, but he managed to function in it.

 

The only reason I am telling this is that, I think maybe your brother in law could be multiple. I functioned well till I got sick, and he apparently did too. Now he has some disorder that is causing him to black out and obviously a sentient consciousness takes over when he is blacked out, that isn't him.

 

There is a huge stigma to being multiple, but for me it was a god send. I really think without him I'd have been in a coma for years. I might have died. My other self works hard for me. He does things the way I would have done them, and occasionally both of us make mistakes, but he tries. I have always had him.

 

I remember several incidents when I was younger, but only when I was in danger. I spoke of myself in the third person, and had no control of what I was saying. I was very aware of it though, and still remember what he said word for word. He protected me from a pedophile when I was 7. I never even realized till later what the guy was up to. I was very confused by the incident, because I didn't know what I was saying at seven age7. I didn't know about sex at all, but a teacher commented on my underware, and tried to lure me away from the playground. Suddenly I said a lot of things I didn't understand at the time. My tone was so loud and out of my normal voice range that my throat was sore for days after, but we got help. A croud gathered because of all the yelling. He said, "Why are you trying to look up my little girls dress you pansy. I thought you only like little boys...." (then there were a lot of words I can't type here. these words were things I'd never heard before, but he used them correctly.)  Then he said, "You better get the H*ll out of here before you get hurt." In my own mental processes I felt that I was being instructed on how to take down a full grown man if I had to. I heard "how can I kill him from within this little girl body?" and then I started getting instructions. MY own mind was tangled up with why did I just call this guy a flower? I'd never heard the word Pansy as anything but a flower. A few years later the teacher was caught seducing young boys. I didn't know any of this though at the time, and had never even spoken to that teacher before.  

 

My other self has helped a lot and he doesn't push to be in front. He'd rather stay in the background, but my physical condition forced him to take charge after the baby. I was aware of his actions, but never understood what it was, I called him my masculine side, and my uncontrolable temper, depending on the circumstances. He could always conduct an impressive verbal asault, but rarely became physicallly violent. Even when he did, he was controled, and never hurt anyone it was about intimidation. He picked up one of my old boyfriends by the shirt collar once, but that was it. The amazing thing was that I was driving at the time, and picked him up with one hand, and over to the side, it should have been impossible. I wasn't even looking at him at the time. Yet when I did turn and look his head was bumping against the headliner of the car, and his butt was out of the seat. My hand had him by the collar. That boyfriend always claimed that he was visited by my ghostly older brother.who warned him to treat his little sister right, or else. I just thought it was strange cause I don't have a brother.

 

My husband and children were already well aware of him. I suddenly understood things my husband had said about having his wife and his best friend in the same body. He'd known since before we married. My daughter said during my colapse, he was the sensible one, but she resented him because during that time he was there instead of me. She described differences in his behavior and mine. Just little things like the way he held a pencil, and the way he sat. She said he tended to perch on his chair sitting forward, while I tended to slouch and lay back. His personality was different, but he didn't do anything that wasn't condusive to my life.... well he turned my husband down for sex, but I can't blame him for that. LOL

 

He is a great help to me, and I dont' consider his presence a prolbem. Fruther multiplicity is very common, it is just that most people who are multiple function, and have good communication between the two people. Ordinarily he and I are co-aware and unless there is a problem, I do the talking. He isn't responsible for my blackouts, he just takes over when I can'[ tgo on. In the rare event he thinks I am in danger, I feel a little urge like, "may I" all I have to do is let go and he handles it well. He has only done this in the case above when I was a child, and in handling school bullies, and out of hand dates. He is quite effective in dealing with stuff like that.

 

 I believe that he is a seperate soul. My husband believes I developed his persona out of grief at a lost childhood friend, and I think that is a valid theory also. I do know that wherever he came from, he is helpful, and not the problems, but I thought I would mention it since your brother in law has that problem. I know many multiples on line, and many of them have problems like this from time to time. I don't think sleep apnea is an explaination, mini naps might,, but muliplicity would. I consider multiplicity a gift, not a bad thing at all. Most multiples are high functioning, well paid and hard working people. It is only when they develop problems that mental health people get involved, and then they blame the whole problem on the multiplicity. I wasn't abused as a child. I had an idealic childhood. My life was fine till I went through some sort of physical  and psychological illness after my second child. The only thing he may have done wrong was cover my illness, but that is what I would have wanted, and he knew that. Overall he is very responsible. Normally I would not bring up my multiplicity on this kind of forum, but I would like to suggest that maybe your brother in law do some introspection, and try to gain a communication with his other selves if that is the problem. Sometimes people don't LIVE with us, they just pass through like a channel. Some people are just and open channel, or under certain circumstances become one. It is possible that he was about to black out, and something else just took over and unloaded the load safely, not knowing where it was supposed to go, and only wanted to prevent an accident. It may be this entity was passing by or was a silent resident of his subconscious before. I think it is good that the crane was unloaded without incident, even if it was hard to find the goods later. It is possible he has an underlying physical condition, and that needs to be addressed, as with myself. Diagnosis is a hard thing to get from a doctor though, so maybe he should just eat right, take his vitimines, and hope for the best.

 
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November 21, 2008, 9:16 am PST

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...you already are...it starts with a decision...I have a 13 yr old also...my husband would get so angry at me, when I refused to partake of arguement he would commandeer our daughter...

...for me, I only had to see this twice...once, a year and a half ago...and once 5 weeks ago...I will NEVER forget my child's face as he was berating her...NEVER...I jumped in, threw him out, and all it took was a mental decision...I did bring a child into this world to endure abuse...I don't care what it takes, it will NOT occur when there is choice...'

I applaud YOU...focus on your child...THINK!!!...I want my child to KNOW..I did EVERYTHING I COULD DO on this earth to insure her happiness and safety...I AM A MOTHER FIRST AND FOREMOST!!

I meannt that I did NOT..bring a child into this world to endure abuse...

..com'on here...is he the man you married?...when he abuses your child?..was that in your movie?..there is NO EXCUSE for attacking a child...for attacking anyone for that matter...

 

Be the hero...in your child's eyes...here, I cannot undo what impact her dad has had on my daughter...but I do know this,...though it was directed at her only twice, she has witnessed his anger being directed at me for 13 years...

I chooe to empower my child...I am giving her this power NOW...so that she will not end up as the punching bag herself someday...

PRIORITIES!!!!...ask yourself...a sick adult?...or an innocent child...I am sending you rays of light and energy....

 
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November 21, 2008, 9:24 am PST

I applaud you...

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I relate reluctantly to what I percieve as a couple that has a controling wife and a husband that just won't take it any more. I feel that my wife controls every thing and we would fight even physically and the police were involved once as well. I just decided one day and told her so, that I would not do it any more. I slip  once in a while and raise my voice but am quick to stop. It has made things much better but I harbor some recentment for the parts of my life she still tries to control and the parts of my life that have been lost because of her. I still have to be vigulant because she still does it. I just gave up in some regaurds. On the good side, there is probably no one that takes advantage of her. She will get the best of any transaction one way or another. That has come in handy sometimes but it is hard sometimes when it conflicts with what is in my best interest. She make it so difficult at times for me to get basic things that I need out of life that so often in the past, I just wanted to give up on everything. Some of the things I lost and give her some credit for are; my not going scuba diving, the loss of my best friend, the death of my father, and not going bicycling(my passion). I put the altimate blame on myself, but often she would threaten to leave me or tell me I don't love her if I did not comply. Still, altimately the choice was mine to make and thats how I think the blame is mine. I started to stand up to her after my dad died. It was the altimate wake up and I am so sad that I can't go back. It is a pain that never really goes away and something I have written about often in the diary. I would like to have a better marriage. It seems like it is getting better slowly. But the show on spouses at war made me think about it a bit more. If I would offer advice to this couple, it would be to the husband. It would be to make a promise to yourself that you will tell yourself and your wife, I will no longer raise my voice to you, I will no longer degrade you, and I will treat you with respect. At the same moment, you should promise yourself that when you are being disrespected or controlled, you will calmly and respectfully explain that you are giving her respect and that you require no less from her. And leave it at that if she continues on,  just tell her calmly that you will simply not engage her in this manner.

At least thats what I felt was the right thing to do. It has taken a long painful time, I did it "until". Every once in a while now, I am blown away by statements that seem to make it worth while. Just this week she told me, "Thank you for going to work every day to provide for us". God that knocked me off my feet!  I hugged her and wouldn't let go. A couple years ago, she told me I was her hero. Again, just couldn't believe it. Something that should be noticed is I said, a couple of years ago, meaning I have been doing this, "until".

And it has been a long hard road to try and keep a new compass. Guess I am getting it out of the ditch but feels like I got a lot of mud sticking all over me still, prabably got mud in places I don't even know need cleaning. In fact I am sure of that. Its why I sometimes think about seeing a counselor again. Its why sometimes I think that I missed out on something with my going to a counselor after dad died, because I was perhaps to busy dealing with grief, to get everything I could for my marriage. Perhaps that, and perhaps because she refused to go with me. Not even once. I wonder if I am happy with my marriage or just happy its not as terrible as it once was. If I tell her that it was once this bad, she is offended and says she doesn't feel that way and is hurt by it. Which is not why I brought it up and usually why I don't bring it up anymore. I try to move forward and deal with today. I do however think about how Dr Phil talks about how women will never forgive there husband unless and until they get how it made them feel when they cheated. I am not talking about cheating of course, but the unless and until part. So will I harbor this resentment unless and until, or do I just keep doing my part, "until"? Its all I know to do so its all I can do.

Thats life I guess. I figure I have hopefully about 14,600 more days on this earth and that number gets smaller every day. Odds are I should at least get half that, but you just don't know. My wife too is only here for a short while. I also try to remember the Dr Phil advice about, what can I do today to make her life a little nicer. At first it might seem absurd. It might feel like giving bullets to an enemy but I am doing it "until".

Until next time, keep up the good work Dr. Phil and company, a fan.

P.S. Best of luck to the spouses at war, give her all of your bullets.

I do applaud you!!!...You are a smart man...realising that resentment, tic-for-tac, 'adult games' are a dtriment to YOU ultimately....

I read what you have done...I can only hope that you laugh more, you are freer in spirit, and that you can LIVE HERE NOW...

I wish you good spaces

 
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November 21, 2008, 9:28 am PST

you said.."I abuse my g/f...."

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 I know how this guy feels, I have a lot of the same behavior  problems that he does. I love my g/f, but I abuse her and I dont know how to stop.  I have borderline personality disorder,and I can't find anyone that can help. I feel lost... this is the first time that I have found anyone that I can identify with.
....ya need a different g/f, dude....she deserves to be who she is...if YOU don't like WHO she is...tell me, how can you LOVE her???...love is acceptance, dude...if you cannot accept her as a whole unique beautiful woman then I don't believe you love her...you're just trying to hard...
 
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November 21, 2008, 9:49 am PST

11/20 Spouses at War

Oh lordy both of these people are nuts. the wife is a golddigger and lazy! Come on a maid and a nanny to do all the housework please! The man is just as psycho as she is. These kids deserve better.
 
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